hollyweird Batgirl (2022) is dead

[Jim K Global Moderator]

On 10/08/2022 at 13:35, E.Worm Jimmy said:

Now you are nit picking to suit what you think you hear or what you want to hear.

 

I am not interested in this anymore. 

 

I think I know what you are trying to say with your smart ass "now we are getting somewhere".... But ok. 

 

You win. I don't care for this discussion anymore. I said all I wanted to say.

 

Not nitpicking.  You said you didn't care if Batgirl was Latina ... which is why I'm now questioning about the actress and what about her is "woke" 

 

I'm just trying to understand wtf is "woke" about this (and seemingly every damn thing else lately)...instead of it just being trash in the eyes of David Zaslav.

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On 10/08/2022 at 13:41, Jim K said:

Not nitpicking.  You said you didn't care if Batgirl was Latina ... which is why I'm now questioning about the actress and what about her is "woke" 

 

I'm just trying to understand wtf is "woke" about this (and seemingly every damn thing else lately)...instead of it just being trash in the eyes of David Zaslav.

Another example (First example is bottom of the last page) in my case would be the new Jurassic Park movie, that had a really stupid 30 second elevator scene, in which the female lead tells us she likes red headed women, to imply she's a lesbian. Which her being a lesbian contributed nothing to the story whatsoever other than to "Check a box".

[Jim K Global Moderator]

On 10/08/2022 at 13:59, warwagon said:

Another example (First example is bottom of the last page) in my case would be the new Jurassic Park movie, that had a really stupid 30 second elevator scene, in which the female lead tells us she likes red headed women, to imply she's a lesbian. Which her being a lesbian contributed nothing to the story whatsoever other than to "Check a box".

Oh, I think we all know how you in particular feel about LGBTQ in movies....

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On 10/08/2022 at 21:04, Jim K said:

Oh, I think we all know how you in particular feel about LGBTQ in movies....

I'm not against being fed up of having to sit through box checking scenes like that.

 

Star Trek Voyager is my favorite Trek and had seven seasons of a female captain, almost 30 years ago, more recently I really enjoyed a Muslim Ms. Marvel series. When it is done right then equality or "box checking" doesn't even need to come into the equation.

 

Instead we get throwaway "box checking" comments or behaviors that change the character completely from one scene to the next, but at the same time adds nothing to the plot.

 

We will never know why Batgirl got cancelled, but Warner Bros preferred to piss away $70Mn or more to never release it.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

On 10/08/2022 at 14:30, Steven P. said:

I'm not against being fed up of having to sit through box checking scenes like that.

 

Star Trek Voyager is my favorite Trek and had seven seasons of a female captain, almost 30 years ago, more recently I really enjoyed a Muslim Ms. Marvel series. When it is done right then equality or "box checking" doesn't even need to come into the equation.

 

Instead we get throwaway "box checking" comments or behaviors that change the character completely from one scene to the next, but at the same time adds nothing to the plot.

 

We will never know why Batgirl got cancelled, but Warner Bros preferred to ###### away $70Mn or more to never release it.

Regarding checking boxes... I'm sure just about every movie I've seen had something thrown in which does nothing more than add to the run time which itself doesn't advance the plot.  I haven't seen the new Jurassic movie, I've heard it is hot garbage, but I doubt that 30 second scene described above is the cause.  

 

$70m (though I've heard up to $100m due to COVID) for a DC theatrical release really isn't that much.  I still think (based on what I've read) it was down to David Zaslav refusing to release a subpar (!= woke) movie.  We have had enough of those in the DCEU.

[George P Global Moderator]

On 10/08/2022 at 16:53, Innervisions33 said:

And this is what I don't understand....  https://tvline.com/2022/08/09/black-canary-movie-status-hbo-max-jurnee-smollett/

 

You go ahead and cancel a nearly completed movie that features Michael F'n Keaton returning as Batman, which is something nearly everyone wants to see, but progress forward with a Black Canary movie that isn't even off the ground yet?  Baffling.  

 

Of course, Keaton could appear in the Black Canary movie as well... but until that is confirmed in some form or fashion, this is a waste.  

That one probably has a small enough budget tagged to it that they don't mind letting it go ahead.  From what I heard the batgirl movie had a budget that ballooned out of control at one point.   This before the added costs to market the thing.

[nerim]

On 10/08/2022 at 12:53, Jim K said:

We have had enough of those in the DCEU.

I'm almost 68, so I'm struggling to understand what "woke" means (other than being a pejorative used against so-called "liberals" by so-called "conservatives", stupid and inaccurate labels in any case), other than perhaps "woke" seems to apply to people who care about social issues (shouldn't we all?) and don't want to see people excluded because of their race or income level? I mean, I agree for the most part that the DC tv shows on the CW have been a hot mess, except perhaps for THE FLASH with Grant Gustin, but as an old guy who grew up with the 1950s George Reeves ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN tv show, I consider MAN OF STEEL to be the finest Superman representation on film ever created. And I was one of those '50s kids who ran up and down the street with a red towel for a cape, pinned to my t-shirt! 

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On 11/08/2022 at 12:05, nerim said:

I'm almost 68, so I'm struggling to understand what "woke" means (other than being a pejorative used against so-called "liberals" by so-called "conservatives", stupid and inaccurate labels in any case), other than perhaps "woke" seems to apply to people who care about social issues (shouldn't we all?) and don't want to see people excluded because of their race or income level? I mean, I agree for the most part that the DC tv shows on the CW have been a hot mess, except perhaps for THE FLASH with Grant Gustin, but as an old guy who grew up with the 1950s George Reeves ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN tv show, I consider MAN OF STEEL to be the finest Superman representation on film ever created. And I was one of those '50s kids who ran up and down the street with a red towel for a cape, pinned to my t-shirt! 

Woke is not used to describe actual inclusion and acceptance. 

 

Woke is used as a negative when people fell forced to accept the radical inclusion idea of "woke" people who chose to add some forced inclusion, even though there is a much better way. Like, treating everyone as equal - for dog sakes.

 

Not by making quatas of the color or sexually that SHOULD fill every movie and business position, regardless of merit. Ohh just add a black guy and a lesbian and we are good now.

 

 

 

 

Of course you don't understand - such idiocy never happened before.

 

People of color, feminists - originally fought to be treated equally! Not to meet quatas..

 

This is so stupid. And I am not sure why people cannot see it.

 

 

 

I am all for support for any minority but the forced inclusion just for a checkbox.... This is really not the way forward.

 

 

Every human being does deserve equal chance. There are  poor unsuccessful people in every gender and race.  

 

The idea of equality is that not matter what color or gender or sex orientation - you have the same chance as everyone different - given the same conditions.

 

It does not mean special preference - otherwise we are.going back.to.what started.the resistance against descrimination.

 

 

 

Woke are willing to bend it so everyone is included even if they don't cut it.

 

It is like school participating trophy - you did not win but you must be mentioned on the award ceremony -just becuase

 

 

 

I am worries what will happen to Olympic Games over next few decades

 

 

 

 

[nerim]

On 11/08/2022 at 09:18, E.Worm Jimmy said:

I am worries what will happen to Olympic Games over next few decades

Thank you for your explanation. I also hear people I know as leftists/liberals use the term "woke" as a pejorative, so I think it's all a very subjective assessment, like what's a "good" movie and what's a "bad" movie. But I do think you've given me an angle on grasping one large portion of the common use of the term. Cheers!

 

I'm primarily a centrist, but I do lean left of center, unless I see crazy nonsense on either side of the spectrum. Things sure were different back in the '60s and '70s! 😲 

 

The '80s were "okay" to me, only because of the popular music of that time, and the great deluge of silly/cheesy "b-movies!" 😁

[FloatingFatMan]

On 10/08/2022 at 16:04, Jim K said:

Seen a lot of comments about Batgirl being "woke" and thus cancelled .... and maybe I'm just tired of that word being thrown around all Willy nilly ... but how did Batgirl being "woke" directly lead to its cancellation?

 

From my understanding David Zaslav, the new boss at Warner Bros., hasn't been afraid to make sweeping changes (like HBO Max) or cancelling projects like Batgirl because he "didn't believe in it."

 

Hopefully Zaslav's vision and "10-year plan" for DC produces better content than we've received in the past.  Sure, there have been some good DC movies...but for every good DC movie you have several others where the climatic ending is the mother's name being Martha.  For all we know, Batgirl, could have just been another subpar DC entry and Mr. Zaslav was like, "nope, not on my watch", and had nothing to do with "woke" (whatever the hell that means)

 

Anyway, just tired of reading x,y,z was cancelled or failed or whatever because "woke" ... come up with or think of something more original.  

Personally, I think it got axed because of the hot mess the TV show has been, along with its plummeting numbers...

[FloatingFatMan]

On 10/08/2022 at 17:33, Steven P. said:

Batgirl could have been really bad yeah, in the 60s she was comic relief in the TV series, and since I do not delve into the comic book universe of Batman, the movies and TV series is about all I had to go on  

I dunno... Batman and Robin were WAAAAAAAAAAY more comical than Batgirl was.... She was pretty much the "straight guy" of that old show...

Edited August 13, 2022 by FloatingFatMan