New PC build .. Give me a once over.

[+Warwagon MVC]

For Christmas, I thought I would build myself a new couch computer.

My current system is a 

CPU i5-7600 3.50 
RAM 32GB DDR 4
SSD 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus Gen 3
Graphics Card GTX 770

New system

CPU AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
RAM 32GB DDR4 4000
SSD 1TB NVME Gen4
Graphics Card RTX 3060 ti
 

CPU -AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-core, 24-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor
Motherboard - MSI B550-A PRO ProSeries Motherboard
Graphics Card - ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Twin Edge OC 8GB
Power supply - Corsair RMX Series, RM750x, 750 Watt, 80+ Gold Certified,
Ram - G.Skill Trident Z NEO Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin SDRAM DDR4 4000
Cooler - be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4, BK022, 250W TDP, CPU Cooler
Storage - WD_BLACK 1TB SN770 NVMe Internal Gaming SSD Solid

Current total is $1,376.81

I would like to stay under $1,400

I already have a case i'm going to throw it in. The front IO is old school, but I won't be using that anyway.

I'm going with 64GB of ram because I do like to run VMS with the occasional video editing.

 

[hellowalkman Reporter]

Looks good overall.

• PSU is overkill IMO. 650W is enough, even if you overclock or raise the power limit.
• Also minor quip but you can consider DDR4 3600 CL16 memory instead of the CL18 one you have now listed, as its like the sweet spot for 3600 ram (CL14 is premium).

[+Warwagon MVC]

On 27/12/2022 at 10:11, hellowalkman said:

Looks good overall.

• PSU is overkill IMO. 650W is enough, even if you overclock or raise the power limit.
• Also minor quip but you can consider DDR4 3600 CL16 memory instead of the CL18 one you have now listed, as its like the sweet spot for 3600 ram (CL14 is premium).

I found this 

Mushkin Redline Lumina – DDR4 RGB Gaming DRAM – 64GB (2x32GB) UDIMM Memory Kit – 3600MHz

looks like it only comes in ****ing RGB ...BLAH! 

[hellowalkman Reporter]

On 27/12/2022 at 21:44, Warwagon said:

looks like it only comes in RGB ...BLAH! 

i found another one, 4000 at cl18 which is even better. but you need to sacrifice capacity for now. https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-Trident-PC4-32000-CL18-22-22-42-F4-4000C18D-32GTZN/dp/B08TQH3JDQ/

though I think 32gb should be plenty for the time being at least. GSkill also allows turning off RGB.

I personally think going with fastest possible memory on a Ryzen APU is more beneficial than capacity. Since these APUs sacrifice cache memory, faster RAM helps make up for it. + faster RAM is also beneficial for the iGP in case you ever need to use it.

[+Warwagon MVC]

On 27/12/2022 at 10:26, hellowalkman said:

i found another one, 4000 at cl18 which is even better. but you need to sacrifice capacity for now. https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-Trident-PC4-32000-CL18-22-22-42-F4-4000C18D-32GTZN/dp/B08TQH3JDQ/

though I think 32gb should be plenty for the time being at least. GSkill also allows turning off RGB.

I personally think going with fastest possible memory on a Ryzen APU is more beneficial than capacity. Since these APUs sacrifice cache memory, faster RAM helps make up for it. + faster RAM is also beneficial for the iGP in case you ever need to use it.

Alright, good idea, I think i'll do that.

I also updated the parts list, as i'm also thinking about going with a AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-core, 24-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor

[hellowalkman Reporter]

Nice, just make sure you have a cheap dGPU lying around in case something with the 3060 Ti goes wrong. 😄

[+Warwagon MVC]

On 27/12/2022 at 11:48, hellowalkman said:

Nice, just make sure you have a cheap dGPU lying around in case something with the 3060 Ti goes wrong. 😄

I have a bunch to get me by. I'll still have my GTX 770 on standbuy and a bunch of other *** GPU's like a GTX 660 and some really low end PCI express ones which will be good enough. I have sooo many laying around I should be ok.

[hellowalkman Reporter]

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[inactive]

Hell, just getting a new GPU for your 'current computer' would have made a world of difference for gaming performance given a 7th gen i5 should be able to run pretty much any game comfortably.

then you could have waited to build another PC until this became a problem at which point you could have gotten even faster hardware for similar or less price. that's ultimately why I am holding off (i5-3550 CPU with 1050 Ti 4GB GPU etc) as my current one is still fast enough for everything I do/play as once this becomes a legitimate issue, then when I upgrade ill get a rather huge performance boost for, hopefully, minimal $.

[RottGutt]

Shouldn't you go with a motherboard with an x570 chipset? I've been mulling over the same question with a new build I am planning. It seems the x570 chipset has better features and will have better performance, especially with the other hardware you've selected. I'm just going off the results from the comparisons between b550 and x570 I've come across. Here is an example:

 

https://www.techiesmag.com/comparisons/b550-vs-x570/

 

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but x570 seems to be the better choice if you are building a computer at this time.

 

Tim

[hellowalkman Reporter]

On 28/12/2022 at 06:20, RottGutt said:

but x570 seems to be the better choice if you are building a computer at this time.

Not necessarily. There are some X570 boards out there which are worse off than B550 in terms of VRM cooling and stuff.

[dadwacker]

Are you keeping your old pc together? If not I would just take the ram from that & OC it a little 

[+Warwagon MVC]

On 28/12/2022 at 07:27, Sensi said:

Are you keeping your old pc together? If not I would just take the ram from that & OC it a little 

The old ram is 

16GB 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000) Desktop Memory Model MD4U1630 (293391565127)

OLOy 16GB 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000) Desktop Memory Model MD4U163016CHSA

It was the cheapest ram I could find.

Just so everyone knows, I did pull the trigger on the entire machine, yesterday afternoon. 

Most of the stuff was going to arrive here by Thursday (tomorrow) But I wasn't going to be home anyway (Christmas at the parents), and the motherboard isn't here until jan 6th - 9th ... so I pushed the delivery out Thursday Jan 5th. Everything but the motherboard is set to arrive.

[hellowalkman Reporter]

On 28/12/2022 at 19:09, Warwagon said:

I did pull the trigger on the entire machine, yesterday afternoon

enjoy the new build mate

[+Warwagon MVC]

On 28/12/2022 at 11:24, hellowalkman said:

enjoy the new build mate

I really don't enjoy building computers. I much prefer the software side of things. But I also don't want to go nonstandared OEM.

[devHead]

Wow, I am finally upgrading my primary PC components after 8 years, and I still feel like I'm going to be behind. 

[sinetheo]

In my experience io not CPU cores is the bottleneck in my hyper-v lab. Even my older 8 core 9900k launches several server vms instantly.

I would go Intel for 3 reasons. 1. Pci express 4 nvme support 2. Better ipc 3. Cheaper motherboards.

That 5900x will burn capacitors at over 100c easily and ruin the life of the board unless under clocked. Also less cores with alder and raptor lake have met and beat benchmarks against amd and 670x boards are outrageously expensive which can handle the big CPUs.

I would go 13600k on a mid range board. Intel has more value this time around. The 13600k is 20 cores and will use less power with 4 ecores. IO bandwidth with a gen 4 pci express will better able to run your vms and huge adobe premiere files with ease at 7 gbs transfer rates.

It's 14 cores 20 threads vs 12 cores 24 threads on AMD. I prefer slightly more real cores over less threads.

 

 

 

 

[hellowalkman Reporter]

On 29/12/2022 at 21:31, devHead said:

and I still feel like I'm going to be behind

how come?

[cork1958]

On 27/12/2022 at 10:09, Warwagon said:

For Christmas, I thought I would build myself a new couch computer.

My current system is a 

CPU i5-7600 3.50 
RAM 32GB DDR 4
SSD 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus Gen 3
Graphics Card GTX 770

New system i'm spec'ing out to build

CPU -AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-core, 24-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor
Motherboard - MSI B550-A PRO ProSeries Motherboard
Graphics Card - ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Twin Edge OC 8GB
Power supply - Corsair RMX Series, RM750x, 750 Watt, 80+ Gold Certified,
Ram - G.Skill Trident Z NEO Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin SDRAM DDR4 4000
Cooler - Noctua NH-D12L, Low-Height Dual-Tower CPU Cooler (120mm, Brown)
Storage - WD_BLACK 1TB SN770 NVMe Internal Gaming SSD Solid

Current total is $1,376.81

I would like to stay under $1,400

I already have a case i'm going to throw it in. The front IO is old school, but I won't be using that anyway.

I'm going with 64GB of ram because I do like to run VMS with the occasional video editing.

 

Just out of curiosity, where will that current computer be going? Will you finally have a bathroom computer?

Or maybe an attic or roof computer? 🤣

[+Warwagon MVC]

On 29/12/2022 at 10:56, cork1958 said:

Just out of curiosity, where will that current computer be going? Will you finally have a bathroom computer?

Or maybe an attic or roof computer? 🤣

Good question. I'm not sure, it will probably go downstairs with my current spare computer collection.

If I wanted a computer in the bathroom, I probably would have used my Brix computer. The little square cube.

[cork1958]

On 29/12/2022 at 12:01, Warwagon said:

Good question. I'm not sure, it will probably go downstairs with my current spare computer collection.

If I wanted a computer in the bathroom, I probably would have used my Brix computer. The little square cube.

If that computer is just going into a spare collection room, you could always send it to me

Heck, it's a better computer than half of mine!

[+DoctorD Subscriber²]

So much heat is my first impression, like a hibachi grill.  Not sure of your case but you're going to need some air flow, consider a radiator style cooler for the processor like a Hydro H60 

[+Warwagon MVC]

On 29/12/2022 at 12:23, DoctorD said:

So much heat is my first impression, like a hibachi grill.  Not sure of your case but you're going to need some air flow, consider a radiator style cooler for the processor like a Hydro H60 

Well my air cooler does not have the fan on top but on either side, so it's blowing the air out the back of the case.

 

[+DoctorD Subscriber²]

How much air flow are you taking in?  That R9 runs impressively hot with a 3060, just trying to help future proof from heat damage.

[+Warwagon MVC]

On 29/12/2022 at 14:07, DoctorD said:

How much air flow are you taking in?  That R9 runs impressively hot with a 3060, just trying to help future proof from heat damage.

Thought about putting it in this old beast.