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  On 01/02/2023 at 11:31, Software Dev Expert said:

Woah, in Python?

Modern development typically uses C# with .Net. In the past however VB was primarily used for .Net.

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I think you misunderstood, I'm porting it FROM python TO Asp.Net Core C#.

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  On 01/02/2023 at 11:29, Software Dev Expert said:

Fair enough, I know nothing about self-signing. All I know is that getting iOS apps signed off is a headache from research although I’ve never developed such myself.

I’ve built a Java desktop GUI app, and developed for Android using Android Studio. I’d call Android Studio user friendly.

I also used the Java Spring framework back at university for web backend work. The configuration required was annoying in comparison to other backend frameworks. Other frameworks are plug and play whereas the spring framework required more understanding of certain concepts and config especially as a beginner was time consuming.

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Signing was not to bad for iOS as it is integrated into Xcode. Not the best experience, but not the worst. Outside of the app stores you can still share apps without signing on MacOS.

Android studio is not to bad and you can use Kotlin as well since google is migrating Android to ultimately remove Java due to Oracles licensing.

My disdain for Java has been Oracle in general. Their takeover and management really killed Java's momentum and viability. Android is really the only thing that kept it relevent.

For framworks, Spring was more involved in the setup and not very beginner friendly. Then again, sometimes the lessens you learn during the difficult setup help with overall understanding. 

I will say I do miss programming outside of having some spare personal time here and there. I just started my career switch to Cyber Sec, so maybe when i get more comfortable and have time I can get back into it for fun.

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  On 01/02/2023 at 22:02, Raphaël G. said:

But I'm also having a tremendous time coding in Typescript lately.

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I'm considering looking at that as a possibility for a new project.  Looks simple enough to pick up...

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  On 02/02/2023 at 20:05, Dick Montage said:

I'm considering looking at that as a possibility for a new project.  Looks simple enough to pick up...

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I recommend it 100. I love the type hinting of return and parameters types... saves me having to read up on a friggin' load of source code i shouldn't need to :)

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  On 01/02/2023 at 13:30, SteveL said:

Exactly, One of the main goals of VB-NET was to allow easier upgrading of VB6 applications. As a result, some creepy "features" were introduced. For example, the implied existence of a default WinForm instance with the same name as the class because many VB6 programmers had trouble understanding the concepts of classes and instances. Another was the default "Option Explicit Off" and "Option Strict Off" for new projects. In short, things that shouldn't really exist in the OOP world

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Yeah I figured out it's an old legacy system. Thanks for explaining why winforms are used, makes a lot of sense.

Partially the same reason jQuery is used - too difficult and time-consuming to upgrade. We've only just begun to upgrade one of our jQuery projects to use Vue but then a massive other business priority came up. It's happened a lot in the past prior to my employment according to my work colleagues . The re-writing of legacy system begins but other priorities take over.

  On 01/02/2023 at 17:59, Dick Montage said:

It's a functional based .net language... you're a "Software Dev Expert" - you know this...

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I'm new to .NET. I barely even understand C# TBH. I imagine that F# is not a commonly used or even a commonly known language? 

I've just done a bit of refactoring here and there and a lot of the fixing involves PHP

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  On 02/02/2023 at 00:34, Jester124 said:

Signing was not to bad for iOS as it is integrated into Xcode. Not the best experience, but not the worst. Outside of the app stores you can still share apps without signing on MacOS.

Android studio is not to bad and you can use Kotlin as well since google is migrating Android to ultimately remove Java due to Oracles licensing.

My disdain for Java has been Oracle in general. Their takeover and management really killed Java's momentum and viability. Android is really the only thing that kept it relevent.

For framworks, Spring was more involved in the setup and not very beginner friendly. Then again, sometimes the lessens you learn during the difficult setup help with overall understanding. 

I will say I do miss programming outside of having some spare personal time here and there. I just started my career switch to Cyber Sec, so maybe when i get more comfortable and have time I can get back into it for fun.

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Ah that's interesting, thanks for sharing!! 

I agree regarding the setup - it did sort of give me a different insight when working with other frameworks, naturally a mindset shift to how things like middleware and all that work. Once you learn a harder framework it naturally makes easier frameworks easier to understand as your mindset shifts to a more 'how things work' framework increasing the chances of getting things right. e.g. shift from spring to NodeJS

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1. JavaScript (by far)

2. Python

3. C#

I like low level assembly as well but I'm a sadist by nature. JavaScript is my current favourite language, specifically ES6. It also pays me lots of money to know it so I suppose I have a strong bias.

If money were not an issue and I could pick ANY language to use for the rest of my life, I'd probably pick Rust or Python. But since money DOES matter, JavaScript. Also I do a LOT of work in machine learning/AI and Python is the dominate force in that field.

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1 - C#, the later versions of the SDKs have really been impressing me, having excellent results with both Windows and Linux development.

2 - Python, fun to work with and absurdly quick to get stuff done with a whole lot less code. Tons of libraries out there that do some pretty slick stuff, I'm a fan of "batteries included", code is easy to read and typically well documented via docstrings ❤, virtualenv lets you compartmentalize an environment easily so you don't have to worry about blowing up another project accidentally. More or less very well thought out, typically consistent with no surprises.

3 - Kotlin, I still like occasionally using the JVM depending on the project and it's (in my opinion) a whole lot nicer to work with than Java.

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  On 03/02/2023 at 09:20, astropheed said:

1. JavaScript (by far)

2. Python

3. C#

I like low level assembly as well but I'm a sadist by nature. JavaScript is my current favourite language, specifically ES6. It also pays me lots of money to know it so I suppose I have a strong bias.

If money were not an issue and I could pick ANY language to use for the rest of my life, I'd probably pick Rust or Python. But since money DOES matter, JavaScript. Also I do a LOT of work in machine learning/AI and Python is the dominate force in that field.

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I’d have thought Python pays well too. Experience with backend frameworks like Django and pandas and numpy libraries if going into a data engineering role is well in demand

 

And yeah agreed, Javascript frameworks Angular, React, Next  are well in demand and pay well

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  On 03/02/2023 at 10:05, Max Norris said:

1 - C#, the later versions of the SDKs have really been impressing me, having excellent results with both Windows and Linux development.

2 - Python, fun to work with and absurdly quick to get stuff done with a whole lot less code. Tons of libraries out there that do some pretty slick stuff, I'm a fan of "batteries included", code is easy to read and typically well documented via docstrings ❤, virtualenv lets you compartmentalize an environment easily so you don't have to worry about blowing up another project accidentally. More or less very well thought out, typically consistent with no surprises.

3 - Kotlin, I still like occasionally using the JVM depending on the project and it's (in my opinion) a whole lot nicer to work with than Java.

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That’s interesting! What changes do you like in the latest C# SDKS ? And what’s nicer about Kotlin compared to Java? I’ve only ever used Java for Android Studio and never Kotlin

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  On 03/02/2023 at 23:50, Software Dev Expert said:

That’s interesting! What changes do you like in the latest C# SDKS ? And what’s nicer about Kotlin compared to Java? I’ve only ever used Java for Android Studio and never Kotlin

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Everything about Kotlin is nicer than Java.

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  On 03/02/2023 at 23:50, Software Dev Expert said:

That’s interesting! What changes do you like in the latest C# SDKS ? And what’s nicer about Kotlin compared to Java? I’ve only ever used Java for Android Studio and never Kotlin

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.Net has just gotten a lot more cohesive and unified over the past few generations, better feature parity across different operating systems, improved performance, better container support, etc etc, what's not to like. 

For Kotlin, well, Adrynalyne summed it up nicely. Fixes a lot of problems that Java has, still the same JVM under the hood. But again, that's opinion. A more detailed answer by the guys who built it at Comparison to Java | Kotlin Documentation (kotlinlang.org).

 

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  On 04/02/2023 at 00:27, Max Norris said:

.Net has just gotten a lot more cohesive and unified over the past few generations, better feature parity across different operating systems, improved performance, better container support, etc etc, what's not to like.

 

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What problems/challenges would you say .Net has had in the past?

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  On 04/02/2023 at 02:42, Software Dev Expert said:

I feel like I remember that came across you on MajorGeeks and you deleted your account. 

 

What specifically ?

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The reason I deleted my account? Because I was asked to moderate/admin and was expected to turn the other cheek while people started crap with me. Then Tim turned on me because I was not letting people walk all over me. So I rage deleted my account and peaced out. 

Or maybe it was just because I was just an a-hole. Could have been either or both. It was for the best, I would have burnt the place down eventually. 

 

But anyway, that’s the gist of it.

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  On 04/02/2023 at 02:55, adrynalyne said:

expected to turn the other cheek while people started crap with me

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Sounds like a ######, no one should start crap with mods, I love that about Neowin, Steve will 360 no scope lay the mother f'n smack down on people who mess with mods.

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  On 04/02/2023 at 14:05, astropheed said:

Sounds like a ######, no one should start crap with mods, I love that about Neowin, Steve will 360 no scope lay the mother f'n smack down on people who mess with mods.

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I think a lot of it was the landscape was changing back then. MajorGeeks was losing members and traffic. I was the obvious scapegoat, since I was fairly strict on moderation, especially in the tech forums. For example, at the time we did not tolerate unhelpful answers, or ones that were blatantly incorrect. I was also removing inflammatory topics that were designed to pick a fight, like far left/right political nonsense. As membership started falling, the owner (Tim/Major Attitude) lightened up on these restrictions, and either I missed the memo or didn't get it. So I continued to be strict, gained the ire of members, (one actually messaged me and told me to sod off). I didn't have the backing of the owner anymore. I honestly think he thought I was scaring members away. In the back of my mind, I believed him.

Fast forward to today, and we can see that I wasn't killing the site. It died on its own by not keeping up with the times.

 

Anyway, sorry to derail, please continue software development shop talk.

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  On 04/02/2023 at 17:53, adrynalyne said:

I think a lot of it was the landscape was changing back then. MajorGeeks was losing members and traffic. I was the obvious scapegoat, since I was fairly strict on moderation, especially in the tech forums. For example, at the time we did not tolerate unhelpful answers, or ones that were blatantly incorrect. I was also removing inflammatory topics that were designed to pick a fight, like far left/right political nonsense. As membership started falling, the owner (Tim/Major Attitude) lightened up on these restrictions, and either I missed the memo or didn't get it. So I continued to be strict, gained the ire of members, (one actually messaged me and told me to sod off). I didn't have the backing of the owner anymore. I honestly think he thought I was scaring members away. In the back of my mind, I believed him.

Fast forward to today, and we can see that I wasn't killing the site. It died on its own by not keeping up with the times.

 

Anyway, sorry to derail, please continue software development shop talk.

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I think forums in general have died down . Social media and reddit have picked up. 

I disagree about the site becoming lax. Political topics are not allowed there at all. 

Please don’t apologise... I derailed this thread and so I should apologise. We can continue by PM if you wish.

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  On 04/02/2023 at 21:06, Software Dev Expert said:

I think forums in general have died down . Social media and reddit have picked up. 

I disagree about the site becoming lax. Political topics are not allowed there at all. 

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Yeah some have died down, That one is all but dead.

 

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