BBeefEmp Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Would I notice a difference betwen from GeForce 2 MX 400 to a GeForce 3 TI 200? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrxrm Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 just a little ;) you would probably notice a huge difference. With an MX the TnL engine is offloaded to the CPU, so in turn makes the cpu work harder on things it shouldn't. Wait for the geforce 4 4200. That may be a better buy :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM5K Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 It depends, if you have a 500 Celeron you won't see much diffrence at all, especially if you use resolutions of 1024x768 or less, but if you have a fast cpu and use higher resolutions you'll see some diffrence yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBeefEmp Posted February 20, 2002 Author Share Posted February 20, 2002 I have a celeron 766 and I use 1024x768 for almost all games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM5K Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 With that speed cpu there won't be a huge diffrence, since the cpu is the bottleneck, you should invest in an Athlon XP and a new motherboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBeefEmp Posted February 20, 2002 Author Share Posted February 20, 2002 would a P3 1.1 Ghz help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger H. Veteran Posted February 20, 2002 Veteran Share Posted February 20, 2002 yeah... it would.. it would help a whole lot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomis_nehc Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Actually with that 766 mhz you will see a big of a reason to get that card already. Of course, a faster cpu is always better, heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBeefEmp Posted February 20, 2002 Author Share Posted February 20, 2002 So if I get an average FPS of 20 in Max Paye with an GF2 MX 400, what do you think it would be with an GF3 TI 200? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomis_nehc Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Umm, that's hard to say, depends on your resolution. Of course, higher resolution you will see much definite difference. Maybe you should surf around the web and look at benchmark results, etc. That'll give you better idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariusu Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 now here me: geforce 4 mx is a crap....better buy a geforce 3 ti, it's way better and almost the same price. the geforce 4 mx isn' actually so much of a geforce 4, it's way different than the geforce 4 4200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomis_nehc Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 mariusu: Which version of the MX do you have? I thought the highest one is suppose to be comparble to a GF3, if not surpasses it in some aspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariusu Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Originally posted by nomis_nehc mariusu: Which version of the MX do you have? I thought the highest one is suppose to be comparble to a GF3, if not surpasses it in some aspects. i don't have a geforce 4 at the moment, but i was looking forward buying a new graphics card next days, so i checked the benchmarks and articles and technical specs from some sites (also nvidias). the problem is that the geforce 4 mx isn't actually the "little" brother of the geforce 4. they don't have the same chip on it. and the the t&l engine is, as far as i understood that not so performant as a engine from a geforce 4 or even geforce 3 ti. also, the pixel shader are not so easy to configure and not so good (that'S for the developers) so that you, as a user will notice a difference between the power of the cards. finally it's your decision what you're buying:D now, the highest on of the geforce 4 mx is sure comparable to a geforce 3 ti....but i think it's also a bit pricy...for a mx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomis_nehc Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 To add to your post: GF4 lacks pixel and vertex shader, which dramatically improves today's games in performance. As for T&L and other techniques, well, actually, it is better than the GF3. As far as I see it, GF4 MX loses to GF3 in some parts is because of the stated above: no pixel or vertex shader. And if I am not wrong, the highest end of GF4 MX is still less than $200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariusu Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 well, nomis....200$...you should take a look at the prices here in germany or in europe....they more pricy than 200$ *edit: see the next post* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariusu Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 yeah, nomis you're right...the geforce 4 mx hasn't the pixel and vertex shader...nfinitefx engine(that's how nvidia calls them):D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomis_nehc Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 :D I thought I knew my stuff. You had me scared, I thought I am not a nerd no more. (Jus kidding, hehe) Anyways, I would think that GF4 MX is a good solution with people that's still using the GF2 MX or below, but people that's already using Geforce 2 GTS or above, upgrade to a Geforce 4 Ti [don't have to be the 4600, 4400 will do ;)] will be a smarter idea. Personally I am saving to get a Geforce 4 Ti 4400. I am sure [more like I wish] I can clock the 4400 to a 4600, haha. :cheeky: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariusu Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 so what would you say: i'm still using a geforce 2 mx 400 and want to upgrade soon. should i get a geforce 4 mx 460 from gainward for 220? or stick with a geforce 4 mx 440 for 180?. or just make it and buy a geforce 3 ti 200 for 250?. since i saw you know your job i was wondering what would you advise me...pesronally, i was thinkin to choose between the geforce 4 mx 460 and geforce 3 ti 200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted February 20, 2002 Veteran Share Posted February 20, 2002 Im getting 80+ fps in max payne in 1024x768 max detail... but 16 bits in my gofrce 2 mx400 :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomis_nehc Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 [saint dark]: What is your system specs? Tho a MX, at 1024 and 16bits, it is still impressive if you are getting 80+ FPS. In some games you won't really notice the difference between 16bits or 32bits. It really depends on the... err, engine of the game I guess. For example, in Quake III, the sky looks like sh1t if you are using 16bits. That is the same with a couple shooters out there. ('Cause they are using Quake 3's engine, hehe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM5K Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Your not going to notice a huge diffrence, like I said before, your cpu is the bottleneck. You'd get a better deal if you went out and got a new motherboard and an AthlonXP. Here are some 3dMark 2001 Stats: A Celeron 766 with a GeForce 3 TI 200 @ 1024x768 32 gets a 4226 An Athlon XP 1500 with a GeForce 2MX 400 @ 1024x768 32 gets a 4263 As you can see the Athlon wins, not by much but it wins. Overall however your entire system will be faster, disk performance, games, etc. Now a setup like that with a GeForce 3 TI 200 gets a 9717. Just some numbers for you to toss around in your head, good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM5K Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Originally posted by nomis_nehc For example, in Quake III, the sky looks like sh1t if you are using 16bits. And if you bother to look up at the sky while playing Q3 it's your ass, so who cares ? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBeefEmp Posted February 20, 2002 Author Share Posted February 20, 2002 thanks for the advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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