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You just like to argue dont you? fine....

One Question: How many times have you compiled the apache source code?
I dont know, probably alot of times since 1999
A better question might be: How many times have you modified the source code and then compiled it?

Every few builds I remove ssi and other stuff like proxy support etc.

As for the linux comment, the average user doesn't recompile anything, because they don't need/want/have to. Only linux people are obsessed with recompiling apps.
Agreed, I dont recompile kernals because I dont like to mess around when something is working right.
As for the .NET statement. Microsoft, as well as some other companies, is directly responsibile for the advancement of the internet. Don't worry I won't say they "invented" it. They saw an opportunity and then they developed it and developed their products around it.

I dont really care what they did, its more of a question of price and money. anything can be achived with money.

Anyway, I thought all Canadian were educated, but apparently not.

what do you hope to achive by saying this remark? I did go to school in Canada my whole life just to let you know, and what would that matter in this subject? If some bum from the place you are from did know ****, would you say the same about your country? This remark is really low and very stupid.

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I totally agree with you, it will also revolutionise the way you pay for it. You cant really argue against the two since PHP is completely free, and ASP is not, that may mean it is more developed or the opposite.

Actually, ASP.NET is free. You can get it here. Of course, you still need IIS (support for other web servers is "in the works").

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I would use it providing there are 3rd part sotware, or a seperate ide and a free ide, Borland Delphi is an excellent example, you can download the personal edition absolutely free. I am not a hypocrit, but that your own personal opinion, I think you are confused, that is my optionion. And i was not bashing ASP.NET at the start if you read up, rather a person getting SSI and ASP mixed up. And it would no way be faster than PHP, so those are the cold hard facts ;)

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Ugh!...this was never meant to turn into a freakin' debate!! I like the new information and stuff, but still!!...don't have to bash the two languages here!! I plan to learn BOTH ASP and PHP...I just wanted to know which one to start off with first, something which might give me an idea of what it's like, so something not too hard for a beginner, and giving a clear picture of what's it gonna be later on.

Personally, from what I've seen so far, is that:

Whatever one language can do, the other can as well...

Main difference is that

ASP is promoted for Windows, and PHP is promoted for *nix

ASP IS relatively easier to learn, and grasp the concept of, because (well, let's face it, it's MS), but then again, it's not open source. Agreed...however, I'm nowhere close to being a hardcore developer which means, open Source or closed, at this point, it doesn't make a difference to me...:o

At this point, I think I'm going to go with ASP FOR NOW...because it's easier to learn/understand which would prepare me well for PHP for the future...

Geez...I should've named this thread something like, 'Two languages to learn, which one to start off with first???' :right:

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Well then I suggest PHP for easiness to learn took me 3 months to learn PHP to be in the middle somewhere, which is the shortest it took for me to learn a programming language (except Delphi). Btw, I also know ASP, it looks easy at the simple stage, but later it gets complicated and annoying sometimes.

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It does. robinmthomas covered a lot of them. I would recommend looking on MSDN for everything you want to look up... for example, I wanted to upload data by POST through SOAP/XML, and I had no idea how; looking on MSDN gave me everything I needed (the constructors/objects for the WebClient class, etc.).

Oh yeah... threadsucks.jpg ;)

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Here are the main new features of ASP.NET:

1. .NET framework can be utilized (a huge collection of functionality, XML, Date/Time, IO, networking, etc).

2. Fully compiled for 3-5x speed increase. Disadvantage is that the page must be recompiled every time it is modified.

3. Supports 25+ languages (VB.NET, C#, and JScript.NET are immediately available).

4. Web controls (haven't tried these yet, but apparently will output an HTML calendar).

5. Flexible support for page caching (you can even cache parts of a page).

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Originally posted by robinmthomas

... That's right. You can write ASP.NET (ver 4 of ASP) in C++, VB, C#, Java (some form, don't know for sure), and more languages are coming Colbal for one.

You write in the language you want and then it compiles it. Yes, you heard me correctly. ASP.NET is a complied language whereas, the others are scripts that get read at runtime....

... NOTE - Apache, mySQL, PHP are good tools, but the learning curve is much higher and so is the development time.

Just to clarify something, ASP and ASP.NET are actually two seperate languages. While there may be some similiarities, they are very different. As stated above, ASP is a scripting language, while ASP.NET is a compiled language.

One the second quote, about Apache, mySQL, and PHP being too hard, that's not really true. If you are familiar with Perl and other scripting languages, PHP is very easy to learn. Apache isn't all that hard to configure, no harder than IIS in fact, if you know what to do. mySQL is easy if you know anything about SQL. If you went with this implementation I would actually use PostgreSQL, as it is far more stable than mySQL.

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The new features of ASP.Net are awesome! File Uploads, Email generation, on-the-fly image generation, and 1000's of other things previously limited to windows applications are now available to ASP.Net.

ASP and PHP may be on the same page, but ASP.Net can do so much more than any other system out there...

Also, ASP.NET is 100% free, except for the Windows server it needs to run on. :)

Well, that's primarily true. Everything except for the server is completely free. Download the .Net framework for ASP.Net, and develop it in Notepad or any other plain text editor. The only reason to have Visual Studio.Net is to make it easier for non-web/HTML developers to transition from Visual Basic application development over to ASP.Net web application development. VS.Net compiles the codes for you etc, but you can always download the compile program and do it your self. And the framework compiles the page the first time it is requested, so that you can create the pages as text files and have them compiled once at run time...

So other than a server (which soon the .Net ports will be available for other servers) everything is free! :)

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He is qouted as saying:

"...Apache isn't all that hard to configure, no harder than IIS..."

Come on? Do you really think that is true. IIS has a world-famous (or is it infamous :) ) GUI to configure with a nice help section, etc, etc.

The way you configure Apache is via conf file. Sorta like an INI.

Anyone can bumble through setting up IIS. I could install IIS without knowing anything and get it up and running in 5 minutes. However, I could not say the same about Apache. I wouldn't even know where to start. Probably searching the web and at that point I have already used more than 5 minutes.

You can argue almost anything else about apache, but ease of configuration is not one the highlights.

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Originally posted by robinmthomas

He is qouted as saying:

"...Apache isn't all that hard to configure, no harder than IIS..."

Come on? Do you really think that is true. IIS has a world-famous (or is it infamous :) ) GUI to configure with a nice help section, etc, etc.

The way you configure Apache is via conf file. Sorta like an INI.

Anyone can bumble through setting up IIS. I could install IIS without knowing anything and get it up and running in 5 minutes. However, I could not say the same about Apache. I wouldn't even know where to start. Probably searching the web and at that point I have already used more than 5 minutes.

You can argue almost anything else about apache, but ease of configuration is not one the highlights.

I wasn't meaning that Apache was easy to install and setup for just anyone, I was meaning it is for those who have some understanding of the way Apache works.

I am a big fan of the IIS GUI, but just because it is easy to administer, that doesn't mean that a user would know what to do when using the GUI. Also bumbling through the installation and configuration of a web server is not exactly something one should do, especially on a system that is Internet accessible.

There are also some pretty good GUI's available for Apache, and althought they aren't as dumbed down as the IIS GUI, they make things alot easier. Maybe you can't setup Apache up in 5 minutes, but I would much rather have spent some time on a secure installation than an insecure one (which is why so many IIS installs are very insecure... the people who set them up just bumble throught the install in 5 minutes).

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IIS may be easy to install, but it is also easily exploited. Like the infamous Anonymous FTP that is made when installing IIS on 2k/NT. I agree it is easy to that IIS is faster to configure, but it is like having an on/off switch for your cars gas, there's no real control unless you tweak it manually. You also have to keep in mind that Apache is free and IIS is not.

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Question...since I'll be using ASP.net, I'm guessing I'll have to use MSSQL...is that a free thing that I can get, or do I have to buy it or something??...or is it included in one of the MS's softwares??

I have:

MS Visual Studio.net Enterprise Architect

MS Visio 2002 + Enterprise Network Tools

MS Office XP Developer

...any others?? :o

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zivan56 needs to start researching his facts before he makes the comment.

Windows 2000 Standard allows for the exact same amount of connections as Advanced Server......and that is unlimited. Now that is in terms of the OS, there are still the limitations of your hardware.

Windows Pro only allows a limited amount of connections, but Server, Adv Srv, Data Center allow unlimited.

Syntax Error : You can use whatever database you want. Oracle, Access, SQL Server, DB2.

As for CSS, I don't know if VS.NET supports it. I know it can understand it, but I don't know if it has an editor. I would recammend Dreamweaver for the "pretty stuff" and the VS.NET for the programming. Both should have no trouble ignoring what they don't understand and you can switch back and forth.

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Originally posted by Syntax Error

Ooh...cool...I have Access, Oracle 8, and...maybe MS SQL Server..

By the way, what is the difference between Dreamweaver, and Dreamweaver Ultradev??

In simple terms, Dreamweaver UltraDev allows you to easily (ie, drag and drop) connect to databases, as with Dreamweaver you would have to manually add the needed code. Besides that their is not that many differences.

Also to answer your other question about MSSQL, that is Microsoft SQL Server, which does cost money... lots of it ;). However there is a slimmed down version of it that comes for free with Visual Studio (not sure about VS.NET, but I'm sure it does). You can use it to do everything (don't quote me on that) you can in the full blown server, and then easily transfer it over later on.

I wouldn't use Access for a production system unless you will have very few connections, as it has a limit (can't remember what right off hand). For an alternative to Access and MS SQL, I recommend Postgre SQL.

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Originally posted by robinmthomas

... As for CSS, I don't know if VS.NET supports it. I know it can understand it, but I don't know if it has an editor. I would recammend Dreamweaver for the "pretty stuff" and the VS.NET for the programming. Both should have no trouble ignoring what they don't understand and you can switch back and forth.

VS.NET supports CSS, but I would still use Dreamweaver or an actual stylesheet editor if needed, although VS.NET is very useful if you already know what you want to put it.

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That's when I started looking around the official TerraMaster forums, and I found a guide that helpfully explains that you won't get anywhere with OpenClaw unless you have a paid plan, which is disappointing because I imagined there would be an option to use a local LLM as I do in SubtitleEdit with Whisper-XXL. In addition, with the marketing imagery on the official site, it says that the OpenClaw feature is "all processed 100% locally for absolute privacy." which led me to believe that I could install a local LLM, not one that required paid tokens. In any case, TerraMaster does not provide guidance for this new feature, which was also a selling point of the F4-425 Pro! My contact also provided clarification about the above points I raised with TerraMaster Since it is not in the scope of the review to add paid services, I'll leave that to the people who are more qualified with OpenClaw. F4-425 Pro Surveillance App TOS also comes with a Surveillance app, which is not installed by default; it can be found in the App Market recommended section. In addition, after installing, it doesn't drop a shortcut on the Desktop or top taskbar, but you can "Send to Desktop" from the App Market listing for the app for a quick way to open it. Adding my Reolink POE doorbell camera was painless. TerraMaster doesn't appear to have a repository of preconfigured cameras; instead, the camera must be added using ONVIF or RTSP. No mobile Surveillance app TerraMaster still doesn't have a dedicated Surveillance app, although from searching online, Surveillance can be used and managed through the TNAS mobile app. I tried this with the updated TNAS mobile app beta in combination with TOS 7 and got a message that Surveillance was "Only accessible through web browser," so I reckon this must be limited to the stable versions of TOS 6 and the mobile app. More quirks In addition, whenever I minimized the Live View window in the browser Surveillance app, the feed appeared to switch to the Low-bandwidth stream, and there was no way to get the High-quality stream back. To get the High-quality stream back, I had to close Live View and then reopen it. Benchmarking A pretty cool feature of the TOS 7 is that it allows you to install directly to the NVMe M.2 SSD. In order to do that, you would have to leave out any HDDs during initialization, and even then, the system partitions are always written to two HDDs when they are eventually added. With three NVMe slots, this also gives an interesting scenario where you could build a TRAID storage Pool for installing all your apps and Docker on, and keep the third for SSD cache on the HDD pool. Limitless options! SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 5 GbE hub was well within acceptable ranges. Although the read result on SATA was a little less than with the F4-425 Plus, for some reason, while writes were generally better. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. TOS 7, which, as of testing, is still in Beta, comes with an App Center that has a bunch of handy programs you can install right off the bat, such as Emby, Plex, Docker, as well as in-house Backup and Surveillance solutions. As you can imagine, any media streaming services you would want to host off the F4-425 Pro will work great, thanks to the Intel Core N350 CPU and its 16 GB of DDR5 memory. Accessing from mobile is only possible if Security Isolation Mode is disabled, which can put your NAS at risk from external sources, so there was no way to access it from the TNAS Mobile app. It's also quiet. I had this sat next to my computer on my work desk for the past week, and I did wonder if the noise I was accustomed to with NAS devices would annoy me, but all I could hear was a soft whirring of the rear fan (which was a little annoying) when the disks were not actively copying or reading data. Conclusion So what have I learned? Unfortunately, this release raises a few important questions and concerns that I feel haven't been adequately addressed. What I didn't like Our variant shipped with TOS 7 beta, and it's advised not to use it in a production environment. I feel that's a bit limiting on an $800 device. The mobile app is also still in beta and does not support some of the first-party apps, like Surveillance, and it still has quite a few bugs. I am a bit confused about the OpenClaw marketing along with the F4-425 Pro. I feel like that if it's going to be a main selling point, then offer official guidance on how to get started with it. TerraMaster recommends enabling SPC, but then markets the NAS for use with OpenClaw, which requires disabling SPC to be able to use it, opening up genuine security concerns for the NAS; and that's before you get into the security concerns of OpenClaw itself. Of course, the above issues won't be a problem if you decide to install something else on it, or even go back to the stable TOS 6. I wish TerraMaster had just given TOS 7 as opt-in rather than shipping with it. TOS 7 has been available as a preview since December 2025 (so well before my last TerraMaster review), and according to a thread on Reddit where a user shared a screenshot from the TerraMaster Facebook page, it is scheduled to launch today, June 23, but there's nothing about that in the TerraMaster news blog. My contact confirmed over email that TOS 7 exits beta today. The rubber feet also deserve a mention as they continue to be a problem, with them coming unstuck the moment you shift the F4-425 Pro anywhere on your desk. What I liked What it comes down to, though, aside from what I already mentioned, you are still getting a quality, affordable device here, so recommending it will depend on the individual's use case. If you're just looking for a relatively small NAS device to manage virtual machines on, backup your files, and take care of your home theater streaming, then it is a great device that will certainly futureproof you for some time. It provides good performance, takes up little space, and is, on the whole, very quiet. Four bays afford proper redundancy using TRAID or RAID 5, and you can even expand on storage capacity by adding the 2-bay D5, or 4-bay D8 Hybrid DAS over a USB 3.2 (10Gbps) link. Considering the 2024 releases were more about power, with the likes of an Intel Core i5-1235U high-end laptop CPU under the hood, I asked my contact last time if we could expect more of the same in higher-end models and was told: It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N350 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the F4-425 Pro is intended for, media streaming and backup. The only downside is still the clear lack of community and even staff support on the official forums. In the past, I have had topics go unanswered for days, or there would be generic-type "we've noted this and passed it onto our developer team" type responses. Along with the other things I mentioned, it all ends up costing it a couple of points. If you are comfortable with the command line, Docker, and setting up TrueNAS or Unraid, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. In TOS, the apps are a bit lacking, and things don't always work as expected.\ AI NAS?! What has become clear to me this year is that we are going to start seeing all kinds of "AI NAS" come to market, and while that might be good for us consumers, be diligent and research these claims. Although the F4-425 Pro technically comes with AI, it is really using a cloud service that is externally sourced off-device through the third party OpenClaw app. My colleague did review a newcomer to the NAS space earlier this year, and it includes a local AI assistant inside the Zettlab D4 NAS, and they do not even use AI in the product name, check out Chris' review here. Where to buy and a discount coupon However, it does not change the fact that this is truly a great entry-level home media-class NAS that you can buy right now. TerraMaster is having a 20% off launch discount, plus you can also still apply our unique 10% off coupon on checkout, which only works on the official website. So here is a breakdown of the pricing that is only valid on the official TerraMaster website. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $575.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $503.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £525.59 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £460.79 Use NEOWIN coupon code during checkout for 10% discount Over on Amazon US and UK, the F4-425 Pro also gets a 20% launch discount, but here, the above 10% coupon cannot be applied. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for $639.99 at Amazon US (was $799.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for $559.99 at Amazon US (was $699.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for £583.99 at Amazon UK (was £729.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for £511.99 at Amazon UK (was £639.99) As an Amazon Associate, when you purchase through links on our site, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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