Opera v7.60 Preview 1 build 7141

[vcv]

Nice! I like what they have done with Opera - but I wish it didn't cost that much :blush:

I'm pretty sure you can get it for $20 at certain times.

$20 one time fee is more than fair for something you use daily.

I paid the full $40 for mine because I want to support the developers with the awesome work they've done.

[speedy_kevin]

Agh, can't get that voice feature working :angry:

And the help pages aren't helping it all :(

[jcgamer60]

Is your mic working? and Do you know the commands?

[+unabatedshagie Subscriber¹]

Ah well I can't get it to let me log into gmail.

It is a preview so you can't expect everyting to work first-time.

[worbd]

Gmail doesn't work properly because of Google's buggy browser detection or something. Try identifying as Opera.

[+unabatedshagie Subscriber¹]

I am always ID'd as opera.

I have also tried what Chode suggested.

It's not important at the moment because I don't use my gmail account I was just checking to see if it worked.

[speedy_kevin]

yeah my mic is working, and I checked the commands. When I go to the help page. That 'Read' button doesn't wotk either

[speedy_kevin]

Couldn't edit anymore :( It's fixed now. I got the voice working. Very nice thing to play with. But it's still a little buggy

[Johnston]

excellent, got it installed and am using this as my main browser, but still got opera 7.5 installed.

This is yet another boost for the opera community, and another cool and useful feature which firefox and other browsers do not support. Well done yet again to the opera team, and look forward to this going final

[aldo]

These seem like very good changes.

However, it does still show that Opera's real-world javascript support is still lacking. They may be ahead on (x)HTML and CSS support, but I still rate Gecko browsers far higher than it in JS performance. And with the increasing shift to using JS to cut down on full page refreshes, it's going to challenge Opera.

I do like the new error pages, voice seems cool but a bit gimmicky.

[vcv]

These seem like very good changes.

However, it does still show that Opera's real-world javascript support is still lacking. They may be ahead on (x)HTML and CSS support, but I still rate Gecko browsers far higher than it in JS performance. And with the increasing shift to using JS to cut down on full page refreshes, it's going to challenge Opera.

I do like the new error pages, voice seems cool but a bit gimmicky.

What? Opera has full JS compliance and has always been faster with JS than any other browser for me.

Could you expand?

[worbd]

These seem like very good changes.

However, it does still show that Opera's real-world javascript support is still lacking. They may be ahead on (x)HTML and CSS support, but I still rate Gecko browsers far higher than it in JS performance. And with the increasing shift to using JS to cut down on full page refreshes, it's going to challenge Opera.

I do like the new error pages, voice seems cool but a bit gimmicky.

You are repeating the tired old meme that Opera's JS support is bad. It might have been in Opera 6, but isn't in Opera 7.

The problem isn't that Opera's JS sucks. The problem is that sites block Opera on purpose or use browser detection that send Opera outdated JS code made for Opera 6.

Opera 7 has excellent support for JS/DOM, but sites aren't taking advantage of it.

[+unabatedshagie Subscriber¹]

^^^ You are correct, some sites are just too lazy to update their js code to enable their sites to work with opera.

[aldo]

You are repeating the tired old meme that Opera's JS support is bad. It might have been in Opera 6, but isn't in Opera 7.

The problem isn't that Opera's JS sucks. The problem is that sites block Opera on purpose or use browser detection that send Opera outdated JS code made for Opera 6.

Opera 7 has excellent support for JS/DOM, but sites aren't taking advantage of it.

Well look, I use Mozilla (Firefox) and whenever I use Opera I have tons of JS problems, and no, it's not just down to buggy webpages.

I think that Google is implementing support for Safari and Konquerer (who have pretty basic JS engines) before Opera is just testament to that.

I have no qualms about it's CSS support - it's probably one of the best and fastest updated in the industry, but Opera's JS support is really lacking.

[vcv]

Well look, I use Mozilla (Firefox) and whenever I use Opera I have tons of JS problems, and no, it's not just down to buggy webpages.

I think that Google is implementing support for Safari and Konquerer (who have pretty basic JS engines) before Opera is just testament to that.

I have no qualms about it's CSS support - it's probably one of the best and fastest updated in the industry, but Opera's JS support is really lacking.

I ask that you back up your statement. I will back up mine.

http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/#ecmascript

Are you still sure Opera's JS support is lacking?

[sunbiz_3000]

can anyone tell me how is Opera faster than the other browsers out there in running JAVAScript and other in-built code of HTML ?? Can anyone tell me how ???

[Fit4130Rider]

I love opera! Yay for updates!!!

[Rix]

can anyone tell me how is Opera faster than the other browsers out there in running JAVAScript and other in-built code of HTML ?? Can anyone tell me how ???

It just is.. ;)

Anyways, trying to sot out this speech thing. I dont see how its necerssery (I no, ive never been able to spell that) to use the speech plugins though, In the final release they should habe a option to download with or without (like they do with java).

[Johnston]

Anyways, trying to sot out this speech thing. I dont see how its necerssery (I no, ive never been able to spell that) to use the speech plugins though, In the final release they should habe a option to download with or without (like they do with java).

They are doing that when final :cool:

[vcv]

Why? It doesn't make anything slower. It may slow down start-up time by a whopping .10 second if anything. You guys need to learn how code affects a program.

[Rix]

Why? It doesn't make anything slower. It may slow down start-up time by a whopping .10 second if anything. You guys need to learn how code affects a program.

Maybe because the download takes twice as long :rolleyes:

Im on 56K Btw. Thats why i said 'I'...

[vcv]

Maybe because the download takes twice as long :rolleyes:

Im on 56K Btw. Thats why i said 'I'...

Sorry, I misread your post.

[lillitnn92]

those of you on 7.61. is there any noticeable difference with wmv. files? i've been having a problem with these since 7.50 (now on 7.54) it's not Opera's fault though, it's the host site. just wondered if anything has changed there. i'll wait a few previews before i go to 7.61. just got 7.54 situated a few weeks ago.

[aldo]

I ask that you back up your statement.  I will back up mine.

http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/#ecmascript

Are you still sure Opera's JS support is lacking?

http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/w3c_core.html

http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/w3c_css.html

http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/w3c_events.html

It drops huge parts of the Core spec, very, very little support for the event's spec (and some of it is wrong) and quite poor support for the CSS DOM.

Mozilla is way ahead of every other browser apart from IE on IE specific extensions.

Also, I'd take a tested version of the spec better than a list of the commands it implements.

[morganpugh84]

Finally you can set it to browser only! Excellent :yes:

I just installed it and it loads like 4 times faster (which is impessive as it loaded at the same speed as Firefox before). This is now my default browser, might have to buy it if the final version is this good :)

Also I love how good Opera is for accessibility (spl?). Before it had the excellent page zooming (not just text but the WHOLE page!) and now it has speech recognition (spl?) as well. It is an excellent browser for people who are disabled. My mum works in a special needs school for children with Mild to Serious Handicaps (both physical and mental) and Opera opens them up to a world they never knew existed. Mozilla (Firefox) and IE (and its clones) are good but Opera is light years ahead for some things. If it wasn't for Opera these kids whouldn't be able to use the internet and I think it is excellent that the Opera Team do so much to make their life easier and more enjoyable. I will probably never (I hope) need to have features like page zooming and speech browsing however if I do at least I know I can use Opera :)

Edited August 28, 2004 by deadmonkey