Firefox VS Safari

[oik]

My main beef with Safari is when multiple windows (or tabs for that matter) are open that contain Flash content, which I tend to develop more often than just regular html based designs, Safari for some reason slows each and every Flash piece down to a crawl, and that to me personally is something that needs to be addressed since I work with Flash alot. At the end of the day I view this as a minimal beef, but ut does bother me to no end. For the record I have personally never seen it on my Windows comp either, and I have tried to emulate it. I will say though that I have no clue why but windows comps just always generally handle Flash 100 times better than Macs as far as performance, etc.

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why is it that camino handles flash/shockwave better than safari & internet explorer? it's the same plug-in...

[oik]

firefox:

1. downloaded latest nightly. it was a pain trying to figure out which was actually the newest.

2. "import settings and dat from: opera, don't import". err... safari?

3. the icon keeps disappearing and coming back and disappearing again.

4. talkback? and if i don't want to use it? i click diable & quit and firefox doesn't open.

5. clicked through talkback, firefox still refuses to open.

i'm glad i downloaded this one :rolleyes: what a useless piece of software.

everytime i try to open it i get the following error in the console:

*** malloc_zone_malloc[8582]: argument too large: 4294967284

i get the same error even with 1.0.

anyway, camino, which runs on the same engine i take it, dumps my logs with everything it doesn't understand. that's cute too.

another reason to stick with safari: the new form focus vulnerability. and the dialog box vulnerability only occurs if you open a new window (tabs are not affected).

[tariq]

the nightlies usually are buggy, thats why you may have had issues

before installing 1.0, did you delete your profile?

[oik]

the nightlies usually are buggy, thats why you may have had issues

before installing 1.0, did you delete your profile?

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no, do you think that will help?

[am_fek]

Neowin.net news as seen in Safari / OmniWeb.

Neowin.net news as seen in Camino.

Hmmmm...

[oik]

the nightlies usually are buggy, thats why you may have had issues

before installing 1.0, did you delete your profile?

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didn't help :ninja:

[tariq]

weird, check out the mozillazine.org forums if you want it resolved.

[oik]

camino is proving to be as crappy as firefox.

1. found a nice little package to add some features i really wanted (like immediate page rendering and disabling disk cache, things i use in safari). installed it and it broke camino. that's cute. had to delete an application support folder to even open camino. now the prefs page seems broken.

2. no way to turn the tab bar to always on like safari. looked at user.js sites, couldn't find anything useful. most of the options don't work anyway... disabling favicon's does nothing.

3. as stated before, it loves to write to the console.log about every problem it encounters. while nice for debuggers, i'm sure, it's not something i want to see in my system's log. make your own file and write all this stupid junk in it.

the only good points for camino are:

gecko

lower cpu usage for flash

i'll chat with apple about the flash, and the best way to fix the rendering engine problems are to send bug reports to apple.

edit: ALSO: you know, someone DOES read those bug reports... sitting here and whining about how safari is incompatible with this site and that site isn't doing anybody any good and you talk about how awesome gecko is... you know how it got that way? people submitting bug reports. imagine!

Edited October 22, 2004 by oik

[Steve]

Sorry Oik, but you give a bad impression of FireFox and Camino. I don't care for as specific rendering engine as such, any that provide good reliable results and are fast are good enough for me. So IE, Gecko, whatever... It seems you've picked on these two as being largely faulty and yet i recently switched from Safari to latest Camino nightly without a hitch. I am sure most users will experience it the same way i did. I have no idea what you have done to get your system tied up in knots like this, but i really don't think this is a good example of the state of Gecko browsers on Mac OS X. Camino is a very decent browser, and on my system renders far snappier than Safari does. Equally it has many niceties that Safari doesn't... I certainly recommend to anyone curious about another Free Browser, try Camino - I say Camino because looks and feels like a Mac browser, far more so than Firefox. Camino definately succeeds in fulfilling this, as one of the major project goals. I, like many use Safari because it pretty much comes naturally, but Camino is a very decent alternative, and despite Oik's own 'experiences' it has run 100% flawlessly for me. :)

[Elliott]

So IE, Gecko, whatever...

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IE is faulty. There's no doubt about that.

While I haven't had the same experience Oik has had with Camino, Camino just doesn't feel natural to me. And while Camino beats Safari in some things, Safari also beats Camino in others.

[Steve]

IE is faulty. There's no doubt about that.

While I haven't had the same experience Oik has had with Camino, Camino just doesn't feel natural to me. And while Camino beats Safari in some things, Safari also beats Camino in others.

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I am talking future tense tho mate... IE could get cleaned up, the future is a unknown. Like i said, anything that works fast and well is good for me. What issues do you have with Camino, to make it feel un-natural? Asides from the UI widgets i can't think of anything? I sure don't miss anything from Safari though, not that i can think of...

[Elliott]

I am talking future tense tho mate... IE could get cleaned up, the future is a unknown. Like i said, anything that works fast and well is good for me. What issues do you have with Camino, to make it feel un-natural? Asides from the UI widgets i can't think of anything? I sure don't miss anything from Safari though, not that i can think of...

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Safari seems more streamlined. The download manager is definitely cleaner looking and more efficient. Aqua just doesn't seem clean for a browser. Almost too busy, and not enough distinction between the page and the browser window.

[Steve]

Yea, i can agree with that. Safari's Download manager - maybe not so, I changed the buttons to just text, so its minimal, but i can still use them, you could just hit the 'pill' on the right to hide the toolbar altogether, then it'd be like the Safari Download Manager! :)

There's many things i've come to like about Camino, but i'll post about it tommorow, i don't have time! Lata dude

[Redestium]

Yea, i can agree with that. Safari's Download manager - maybe not so, I changed the buttons to just text, so its minimal, but i can still use them, you could just hit the 'pill' on the right to hide the toolbar altogether, then it'd be like the Safari Download Manager! :)

There's many things i've come to like about Camino, but i'll post about it tommorow, i don't have time! Lata dude

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Hmm do I smell a review by a member for members?:)

[oik]

Sorry Oik, but you give a bad impression of FireFox and Camino. I don't care for as specific rendering engine as such, any that provide good reliable results and are fast are good enough for me. So IE, Gecko, whatever...? It seems you've picked on these two as being largely faulty and yet i recently switched from Safari to latest Camino nightly without a hitch. I am sure most users will experience it the same way i did. I have no idea what you have done? to get your system tied up in knots like this, but i really don't think this is a good example of the state of Gecko browsers on Mac OS X. Camino is a very decent browser, and on my system renders far snappier than Safari does. Equally it has many niceties that Safari doesn't... I certainly recommend to anyone curious about another Free Browser, try Camino - I say Camino because looks and feels like a Mac browser, far more so than Firefox. Camino definately succeeds in fulfilling this, as one of the major project goals. I, like many use Safari because it pretty much comes naturally, but Camino is a very decent alternative, and despite Oik's own 'experiences' it has run 100% flawlessly for me:):)

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camino is a nice browser, don't get me wrong, but out of the box, it's not worthwhile to switch and i feel safari is better. safari is much quicker than camino on my machine. only when i tried to add extras to match the customizability of safari did camino start screwing up.

Edited October 23, 2004 by oik

[Version3]

safari is much quicker than safari on my machine. 

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:huh:

[oik]

:huh:

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haha, thanks... i was watching a movie and... uh... stuff... my mind wasn't on the post.

[oik]

another thing i notice as i sit here playing with camino... even if a flash is in focus, pressing the arrow keys makes the window scroll. that makes it very difficult to play flash games.