FireFox or Opera ?

[Hills420]

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[vcv]

Yes, I know, Firefox hasn't been out as long as Opera 7.x, but also look at the number of vulnerabilities found in the time span of Firefox's release to now. Also, Opera isn't as popular of a browser. Usually, you find more exploits in popular products.

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Opera 7.x has been out for almost 2 years.

That's 29 advisories in 2 years, just a tad over 1 a month! And not all of them are even severe.

Now how about we look at firefox 0.x AND 1.x since Opera 7.x has been out longer than both.

http://secunia.com/product/3256/

Firefox 0.x has 18 advisories since MAY.

Take your BS elsewhere, it won't work here on my watch.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Ehh. Opera is very popular.. statistics lie. Many users running Opera doesn't know that it identifies as IE6.0 by default. I think atleast 80% of Opera users don't know this..

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That's even not true because Opera's fake-id sucks bad, it still has Opera somewhere in the string. If you want to really fake you need something like Proxomitron.

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That's even not true because Opera's fake-id sucks bad, it still has Opera somewhere in the string. If you want to really fake you need something like Proxomitron.

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Well.. I've tested this on several hitcounters etc.. and I can't remember anyone finding out I was using Opera when my id was in IE.6.0.

EDIT: That was quite sometime ago though... I tested on bravenets now.. and it id my as Opera still.. guess they have fixed this..

Edited December 8, 2004 by [X]-bYtE

[Toxicfume Veteran]

That's even not true because Opera's fake-id sucks bad, it still has Opera somewhere in the string. If you want to really fake you need something like Proxomitron.

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It has Opera in the string, but it doesn't suck bad because scripts don't detect browser versions at the position at which Opera is located in the string. Sure you could detect it, but not by default. Don't you think the programmers would have figured that long before you even knew it had Opera mentioned in there?

So you are wrong, it is true, most people who have Opera ID'd as IE by default..are indeed having their browsers registered as IE, and not as Opera.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

It has Opera in the string, but it doesn't suck bad because scripts don't detect browser versions at the position at which Opera is located in the string. Sure you could detect it, but not by default. Don't you think the programmers would have figured that long before you even knew it had Opera mentioned in there?

So you are wrong, it is true, most people who have Opera ID'd as IE by default..are indeed having their browsers registered as IE, and not as Opera.

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I have tested several sites (like msn) where Opera's IE6 emulation made a difference to the one in like Proxomitron. Only Proxo's worked right and even displayed the page correctly like it should on IE except a little bug, but that's nothing compared to the Opera ID fake.

Anyway, people should just let it ID as Opera by default, that's best for everyone.

[kitchenutensils]

in answer to the original question: if you're moving from IE then firefox; if you're ready for a entirely new experience you want opera. opera is less userfriendly in my opinion but marginally faster (i mean marginally there; you won't make much difference at all). also firefox loads pages better and its resources are only marginally larger.

[mufdvr3669]

-bYtE,Dec 8 2004, 12:48]If it's free or not have NOTHING to do with how good a browser is  :rolleyes:

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But does happen to have something to do with which one you prefer or use. :rolleyes:

They are both same to me, I like both. I choose to use Firefox because it's free.

Edited December 8, 2004 by mufdvr3669

[Surr3al]

Firefox.

Reason: Extensions, I used Opera for quite some time, but have since switched to firefox.

[Zerosignull]

You all do realise the reason why Opera seems to load pages faster is that firefox waits for a certain amount of time, to let data download, before it even starts to render a page? you all know this right?

Turn the puty cat into the steaming beast well ...

modify these values by typing "about:config" in the address bar, or by modifying the prefs.js file. This is what I changed:

user_pref("network.http.max-connections", 48);

user_pref("network.http.max-connections-per-server", 16);

user_pref("network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-proxy", 16);

user_pref("network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server", 16);

user_pref("network.http.pipelining", true);

user_pref("network.http.pipelining.firstrequest", true);

user_pref("network.http.pipelining.maxrequests", 100);

user_pref("network.http.proxy.pipelining", true);

user_pref("nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 100);

Optional:

user_pref("general.smoothScroll", true);

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in answer to the original question: if you're moving from IE then firefox; if you're ready for a entirely new experience you want opera. opera is less userfriendly in my opinion but marginally faster (i mean marginally there; you won't make much difference at all). also firefox loads pages better and its resources are only marginally larger.

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I think Operas interface is very userfriendly, also you can layout the browser as you wish.. Firefox is so easy that it's booring.. and the skins.. the HORROR!!

But does happen to have something to do with which one you prefer or use.  :rolleyes:

They are both same to me, I like both.  I choose to use Firefox because it's free.

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Opera is also free :rolleyes: people seem to forget that after a few minutes each time it's posted..

[lav-chan]

navigator.appName is what most people use (and should use, if you ask me) to detect the browser version. Doing it this way, Opera will always be detected as whatever you have it set to identify as. The only way you'll return that it's Opera (assuming it's not set to actually identify as Opera...) is by searching for the text 'opera' in navigator.userAgent (or by using window.opera).

In other words, you can't detect that it's Opera unless you're specifically looking for it. And if you're specifically looking for it, it doesn't matter whether its user-agent string 'sucks bad' or not, because there are other ways of finding out if you're running Opera.

[spex04]

That's basically the default preview setup without the sidebar?

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I know, my point exactly. That the interface isn't cluttered/bloated, if anyone says it is.. ;)

[jjypk]

I think Operas interface is very userfriendly, also you can layout the browser as you wish.. Firefox is so easy that it's booring.. and the skins.. the HORROR!!

Opera is also free  :rolleyes: people seem to forget that after a few minutes each time it's posted..

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Would you want unnecessary ads while browsing?

Opera is not in the free browser catagory, IMHO it's adware until the user pays.

[vcv]

You all do realise the reason why Opera seems to load pages faster is that firefox waits for a certain amount of time, to let data download, before it even starts to render a page? you all know this right?

Turn the puty cat into the steaming beast well ...

modify these values by typing "about:config" in the address bar, or by modifying the prefs.js file. This is what I changed:

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I use Firefox and Opera, and i have tweaked both to death. Opera is STILL faster for me. Especially when it comes to loading files from the cache, it blows firefox straight out of the water, NO chance for firefox there. The cache loading is not subjective either, it is FACT. Opera loads pages cache'd in memory almost instantly.

[vcv]

Yes, but the Opera tag is at the end of the string. For example,

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Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; en) Opera 7.54

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And the other point being made is that a lot of scripts don't check the end of the string, but check the appName js variable instead, which would return MSIE in that case. Newer scripts are fixing this, but a lot of older ones still have bad detection. Though, it can be a good thing, because you can fool a bad site into thinking you do have IE, and make sure it doesn't try to send you different/bad code

[dudeman]

I said it before and i'll say it again FF!!

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I said it before and i'll say it again FF!!

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People who just post their prefered browser without giving a reason shouldn't post at all :hmmm:

[Chode]

I remember reading an article somewhere (might be that guys website who does all the longhorn previews) that described Firefox and Opera as the two main enthusiast browsers.

I consider myself a computer enthusiast....but unfortunately the sad fact is that many computer enthusiasts are ######. The majority of computer enthusiasts use Firefox, and so I steer the most away from it because of the people who try to force Jesus Christ to use Firefox.

Yes, I am judging the software by the community that follows it. Just like Counter Strike.

[lav-chan]

Hey, don't feel bad about it. They brought it on themselves. :p

Firefox is a decent browser (a lot better than IE) -- it's just that it doesn't deserve all the hype it gets. I think Maxthon is crappy, but i don't usually argue with people who use it, because people who use Maxthon don't often act as smug and self-impressed as a lot of the people who use Firetruck do. :x

[Redestium]

I said it before and i'll say it again FF!!

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:rolleyes: And it's FX not FF.

[caerma]

Opera > Firefox

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :D

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:yes:

[Pink Floyd Veteran]

People, Firefox is no longer a PR.  If you are using the PR, time to update.  Opera could be version 25.54 and it would still suck.  Pages don't render correctly, half the time none of the media players work with it.  Security wise, it ranks up there with IE, ****ty!  But, let me thank you in advance because you'll be bringing your computer to my shop to fix it when it gets overloaded with viruses, spybots etc.  So, go ahead, pay for the download.  When you run into compatability problems, don't call me, you won't like the answer that I will have for you.

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hahaha you are funny

[Elliott]

Opera 7.x has been out for almost 2 years.

That's 29 advisories in 2 years, just a tad over 1 a month!? And not all of them are even severe.

Now how about we look at firefox 0.x AND 1.x since Opera 7.x has been out longer than both.

http://secunia.com/product/3256/

Firefox 0.x has 18 advisories since MAY.

Take your BS elsewhere, it won't work here on my watch.

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Ahaha, you're trying to compare an unfinished product to a product 7.6ish versions in? That almost made me fall out of my seat from laughing so hard. I said look at the time-span fromFirefox 1.0's release (including PR)> to now. Opera, 3 vulnerabilities, two of them moderately critical. Firefox, 2 vulnerabilities, one moderately critical.

[vcv]

Ahaha, you're trying to compare an unfinished product to a product 7.6ish versions in? That almost made me fall out of my seat from laughing so hard. I said look at the time-span from Firefox 1.0's release (including PR) to now. Opera, 3 vulnerabilities, two of them moderately critical. Firefox, 2 vulnerabilities, one moderately critical.

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Oh come on. Now you're just grasping at straws here. 3 to 2, oh no! 7.x was a complete rewrite, which means a lot of bugs to be worked out. It's really not much different from Being at 1.0. Maybe you should learn how software development works.