FireFox or Opera ?

[gazebee_]

we could use a poll instead of just blabbing it out.. FF

[amdme3200]

FF all the fing way baby.

[imtoomuch]

For those who needs more reasons

http://www.gungfu.de/facts/archives/2004/1...y-i-love-opera/

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With quotes like "I?ve never run a comparison between Opera and some other browser myself, I have to admit." its so easy to tell that the site author is such an unbiased and informed person. :rolleyes:s:

[wrex]

Firefox! When I used Opera, it was just too fullon. Of course, I haven't used it for a while now, but Firefox suits my needs perfectly, so I have desire to go looking for other browsers..

[mufdvr3669]

I think Operas interface is very userfriendly, also you can layout the browser as you wish.. Firefox is so easy that it's booring.. and the skins.. the HORROR!!

Opera is also free  :rolleyes: people seem to forget that after a few minutes each time it's posted..

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No I didn't forget about the free version with the ad banner. Don't want an ad banner, people seem to forget about mentionting that when they talk about the free version. :rolleyes:

[Chode]

No I didn't forget about the free version with the ad banner.  Don't want an ad banner, people seem to forget about mentionting that when they talk about the free version.  :rolleyes:

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Their ad-banner is made up of Google ads. Guess what, this forum uses Google ads.

If you disable them (the ads on this forum, that is) then it is the same as inviting a random person to dig up the bodies of your ancestors and violate their corpses through the act of sodomy.

Supporting Neowin, Supporting Opera....their both compatible with each other ;)

[Elliott]

Oh come on.? Now you're just grasping at straws here.? 3 to 2, oh no!? 7.x was a complete rewrite, which means a lot of bugs to be worked out.? It's really not much different from Being at 1.0.? Maybe you should learn how software development works.

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Fact is, Opera decided to call it 7. That indicates, "Final product, so let the comparisons begin." And I do know how software development works, and I can tell you that many developers don't just completely rewrite the software (unless it was extremely messy before). Either way, I'm still not even comparing the early versions of Opera 7 to Firefox. I'm comparing versions from Firefox's pre-release to now. You seem to be the one trying to grasp straws. Firefox beat it in security, even if by one vulnerability.

Chode, I fail to see any connection to sodomizing a dead body and not wanting to see a Google ad in my browser. Besides, this is a website. It has good reason to have Google ads. The ads aren't even intrusive. Can't say the same about Opera.

[Toxicfume Veteran]

Fact is, Opera decided to call it 7. That indicates, "Final product, so let the comparisons begin." And I do know how software development works, and I can tell you that many developers don't just completely rewrite the software (unless it was extremely messy before). Either way, I'm still not even comparing the early versions of Opera 7 to Firefox. I'm comparing versions from Firefox's pre-release to now. You seem to be the one trying to grasp straws. Firefox beat it in security, even if by one vulnerability.

Chode, I fail to see any connection to sodomizing a dead body and not wanting to see a Google ad in my browser. Besides, this is a website. It has good reason to have Google ads. The ads aren't even intrusive. Can't say the same about Opera.

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What version of Opera specifically are those vulnerabilities from? Maybe I missed it, but i don't see anywhere being mentioned on their site which version it was, 7x could be 7.54. And I think they are all already patched in 7.6 preview releases.

You say google ads aren't intrusive here, then how come they become intrusive in Opera? It uses negligible bandwidth, really.

[iownthetruth]

Firefox....because I HATE popups

[+unabatedshagie Subscriber¹]

Firefox....because I HATE popups

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Thats a good reason considering opera also has a popup blocker. :wacko:

[x-byte]

Firefox....because I HATE popups

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Well..doh.. Which browser doesn't have a pop-up blokker these days?! Even IE have one now..

[ZZOOzzoo]

Well..doh.. Which browser doesn't have a pop-up blokker these days?! Even IE have one now..

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There's no room left for pop-up lovers these days.. :cry:

[iownthetruth]

i started hating them the first time they froze my old computer :(

[ZZOOzzoo]

i started hating them the first time they froze my old computer  :(

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Opera or Firefox?

[Rapier]

I Prefer Opera...

Tried every version of FX or FF whatever u call it since 0.8

just found myself coming back to opera...

i find it easier to turn off options then to hunt for them and then install them hoping that they work wid the other extensions.

Also for the people complaining that opera is at 7.54 (Stable version) and FF\FX is only at 1.0,

doesnt FF\FX use the mozilla core .. which was out much b4 opera was... so didnt they have more development time...

I mean come on ppl.. opera can change its name and its version to 0.00000001

would it change ur opinion then ?. No you just need a reason to bash opera.

Edited December 9, 2004 by Rapier

[vcv]

What version of Opera specifically are those vulnerabilities from? Maybe I missed it, but i don't see anywhere being mentioned on their site which version it was, 7x could be 7.54. And I think they are all already patched in 7.6 preview releases.

You say google ads aren't intrusive here, then how come they become intrusive in Opera? It uses negligible bandwidth, really.

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Thank you, at least someone gets it.

jaded: They rewrote it to add better support for CSS2/DOM/HTML4/XHTML. Opera has been around for something like 10 years, and their rendering engine was starting to show it's age with not being able to keep up with the new machines and new standards. 6.x was quite good, but sometimes a complete rewrite is better, even if your previous code is good. They redid the GUI to bring unprecedented customizability, and it was a good move, on both counts. Rewriting code does NOT mean it was messy/bad code.

[Raum]

There are things I like about each.

FF Pros

Free

Open Source

Many useful plugins

FF Cons

Can't use the native windows theme at all

Memory hog (Often uses 100+ megs, its used 300 megs before for me)

Sluggish as hell at times (I'll have it freeze when opening a page for 10-20 seconds quite often)

Can't drag and drop bookmark folders, you have to use the manager

Engine renders pages in annoying ways (Things shift across the page while loading, etc)

Anytime I open more than 15 tabs I'm prone to FF deciding to crash

Opera Pros

Very sleek and refined feel compared to FF

Extensive functionality (Page zooming, PDA preview,

Can use windows native theming!

Resize, minimize and maximize tabs

Good keyboard shortcuts that are also easy to change

After you're used to it, it feels very natural and efficient to use, levels above my FF experience

Opera Cons

$$ or ads

Learning curve is a bit higher imo

Nothing as convenient as adblock for it to my knowledge

[zorak]

wow, i never would have thought that people felt so strongly about browsers.

I like Firefox much better.

I used to use only IE. But after hearing of Opera and Firefox i decided to give them both a shot.

i tried Opera for a week and never really felt comfortable with it. It's a kind of an intangable reason, but the Opera interface didn't do much for me. I uninstalled it and tried Firefox. It's been 3 months since i migrated to Firefox, and i aboslutley love it. The interface, tabs, and entire package were all completley intuitive to me, almost instantly.

I'll probably give Opera another shot sometime. But for now Firefox has become my browser of choice.

[planetik]

I sometimes find firefox slowing down my computer but not to the extreme...

Since Opera has ad's I prefer Firefox

[+Neyht Subscriber²]

I'm going to step through your list of cons for firefox....

1. I think I know what you mean here...firefox doesn't work with some of the skins I've had for windows. Their xul rendering system looks different, but that is a very minor con if the interface doesn't bother you that much. It would be a good feature though...maybe an extention or a modification of some kind....

2. I've had this occur as well. Actually, firefox tends to stay under 100mb by a good margin unless I open a lot of tabs. Minimizing the window fixes it, but less memory usage would be something I'd like to see in future versions.

3. Sluggish? Sorry, I can't back that one with my experiences.

4. What? Maybe I misunderstood. You can drag and drop and organize in that window without using the bookmarks manager. I have encountered this before though, I had to create a new profile to fix it. Some bug that occured when I upgraded I guess.

5. Page display is annoying....Did I mention that you sound biased towards firefox?

6.This last one is due to the fact that it's taking up so much memory (on your system) I've had 15 tabs open plenty of times with no problems.

I've tried opera before, it wasn't for me. Plus I spent a lot of time figuring out how to use firefox--I'd be starting all over with Opera. Firefox works for me, it obviously doesn't work for you.

[SnapperV6]

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F-i-r-e-F-o-x !! End of !!

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Nothing as convenient as adblock for it to my knowledge

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Maybe not as simple, but just as effective: http://snbx.net/php/viewtopic.php?t=4

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F-i-r-e-F-o-x  !! End of !!

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wow your reasons are so compelling..not! you could have at least explained like many of the other people have been doing.

[saralk]

I prefer Opera, i used opera for ages, and then i tried to switch to Firefox, but just couldn't get used to, Opera and Firefox have their own ways of doing things, and I guess its whatever suits you best.

When i switched to Firefox, there were just tiny tiny things that i missed which made me switch back

[Elliott]

You say google ads aren't intrusive here, then how come they become intrusive in Opera? It uses negligible bandwidth, really.

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The ads aren't intrusive in Neowin. They fit into the design nicely. On the other hand, it's a whole toolbar in Opera.