FireFox or Opera ?

[lav-chan]

No, you didn't call everyone an idiot, but the assumption was there.

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Oh well. What i think is idiotic is visiting untrust-worthy sites and then blaming your software for getting spyware.

What formal computer training do you have?  If you count your high school computer class, I guess you don't have much.

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To suggest that intelligence or knowledge is measured by whether or not you've paid thousands of dollars to be instructed by self-important people like yourself is pretty ridiculous. I don't have formal training in anything. If i'm interested in learning about something (whether it's HTML or electrical engineering), i'll learn about it. I'm not particularly interested in learning about CPU registers and FORTRAN, though, which is why i haven't enrolled in any 'formal training' regarding those subjects.

As far as my high-school computer classes, they were all a joke, and for the most part (with the notable exception of Cisco) i knew more about the subjects than my teachers did. I don't think that makes me a computer genius, of course, but it does make me wonder how useful your 'formal training' is, considering those teachers probably had to have it to get jobs teaching others.

I also believe that quite a few Neowin members are very smart.

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Quite a few are, i have no doubt. Neowin has the distinction of encouraging idiocy, however, which sometimes is unfortunate for those smart people.

Most are more respectful and smarter than you.

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Most people as a whole on Neowin are 'respectful', primarily because you'll get banned if you're not. The fact that people aren't allowed to call idiots idiots on Neowin is the primary reason they thrive here. But that's an entirely separate discussion and i realise that it isn't really my place to jump into a community and start dictating how it should be run.

Can I ask you something?  Is "spelt" a word?  :whistle:  Loser!!  :D

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Uh, yeah, it is. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=spelt

Primarily a non-American form of the word, but since i use British convention in my writing that's understandable. If you really wanted to criticise my own writing, you should have gone for my uncapitalised 'i's... but of course i do that intentionally, and i know it's wrong, so i'm not sure how far that would have got you either.

[Pink Floyd Veteran]

we are going anywhere

get on topic with descent discussion and facts and idea that support your choice

[vcv]

What I would like to know, is why so many firefox supports are so rabid about people using FIREFOX specifically, and not just an alternative to IE. Why do you care if someone is using a different browser than you, as long as it is secure? WHY? I still can't comprehend it. Firefox fanboys are some of the worst in my recent memory, and it baffles me to this day.

Opera supports are RARELY rabid about people using Opera like the firefox fans tend to be. At least, in my experience. I'm not saying this because I'm a fan of Opera. I use both. I'm saying this because it is becoming disgusting. Both browsers are great choices, and anyone should be happy that someone is using something besides Internet Explorer. This divide is bad for both browsers. Both browsers have millions of supporters, and neither will be going under any time soon.

It's time to stop spreading hate and lies about the competition and promoting use of an alternate, no matter what it may be. What do I recommend to people having problems with Internet Explorer? More times than not, Firefox. I will recommend Firefox to novice users and Opera to geeks who like to tinker with their apps. Usually, this works out great. I mention the other in both cases, in case they want to try another alternative, but usually it works out.

[x-byte]

What I would like to know, is why so many firefox supports are so rabid about people using FIREFOX specifically, and not just an alternative to IE.  Why do you care if someone is using a different browser than you, as long as it is secure?  WHY?  I still can't comprehend it.  Firefox fanboys are some of the worst in my recent memory, and it baffles me to this day. 

Opera supports are RARELY rabid about people using Opera like the firefox fans tend to be.  At least, in my experience.  I'm not saying this because I'm a fan of Opera.  I use both.  I'm saying this because it is becoming disgusting.  Both browsers are great choices, and anyone should be happy that someone is using something besides Internet Explorer.  This divide is bad for both browsers.  Both browsers have millions of supporters, and neither will be going under any time soon. 

It's time to stop spreading hate and lies about the competition and promoting use of an alternate, no matter what it may be.  What do I recommend to people having problems with Internet Explorer?  More times than not, Firefox.  I  will recommend Firefox to novice users and Opera to geeks who like to tinker with their apps.  Usually, this works out great.  I mention the other in both cases, in case they want to try another alternative, but usually it works out.

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Totally agree. Firefox fanboys are really annoying.. it's like they think they use the best browser in the world and the other browsers are crap. Also giving no real reason why they choose it.. they just ride the wave blindly.

[Pink Floyd Veteran]

Totally agree. Firefox fanboys are really annoying.. it's like they think they use the best browser in the world and the other browsers are crap. Also giving no real reason why they choose it.. they just ride the wave blindly.

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that's why you should never answer to these kids

I'm fan of both FX and opera but right now I'm using FX untill Opera gets a way to collapse the ads blocked with filter.ini

[asmat]

My view..use what want and respect other opinion...

Nothing in this world is "The Best". If there were such a thing, then anything else beside that will diminished. In fact I really like this two browsers. I like Opera 'cause it's stability and Firefox for the extensions and being freeware. Both are fast and provide more security than IE.

[worbd]

I'm comparing versions from Firefox's pre-release to now. You seem to be the one trying to grasp straws. Firefox beat it in security, even if by one vulnerability.

Aside from the fact that one vulnerability in a short period of time does not say anything about the general security, Firefox is based on several years old code, namely Gecko, so you'd have to include all general Gecko vulnerabilities too.

Opera does a horrible job trying to use the actual UI of the OS it's on.

If you enable the native skin, it actually uses native calls to draw the UI.

Yes I have installed opera.....but dumped it when firefox became available. 99% of the time I install with the defaults, which will install the mail/voice.

Voice is not installed by default. Mail is a tiny part of Opera. Even with mail included, Opera is still a smaller download than Firefox.

[42n81]

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[Elliott]

Aside from the fact that one vulnerability in a short period of time does not say anything about the general security, Firefox is based on several years old code, namely Gecko, so you'd have to include all general Gecko vulnerabilities too.

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Secunia includes Gecko vulnerabilities on the Firefox vulnerability page.

If you enable the native skin, it actually uses native calls to draw the UI.

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I know it does, but it does a bad job doing it. I've used it on OS X before and set it to use OS X elements. It did a horrible job.

[worbd]

Secunia includes Gecko vulnerabilities on the Firefox vulnerability page.

Yes, and the point is that Firefox 1.0 has gotten all its previous vulnerabilities wiped from Secunia's site.

I know it does, but it does a bad job doing it. I've used it on OS X before and set it to use OS X elements. It did a horrible job.

I don't know about Mac. It looks like any other Windows program on Windows.

[lav-chan]

The OS X version of Opera is lame. I've never used it, but i saw the screen shots while they were developing it. I don't think it uses native widgets in OS X (or it didn't when i saw it). Does in Windows though.

[EduardValencia]

opera is one of the most bloated thingys i've ever seen,and i will never pay for taking off that ****ty ad that brings in the free version.

opera sucks really

firefox all the way between these 2

[lav-chan]

Don't Neowin's rules say that spam is a post that contributes nothing to the forum? Maybe i just read it wrong.

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I don't see why people think Opera is "bloated".. I've never had any problems with that.. no even when I first testet it with 7.0. It's VERY userfriendly and easy to use. I've converted some of my friends into using Opera to and they didn't ask for any help what so ever. I'm a bit frustrated because they don't use mousegestures though :)

[ZZOOzzoo]

opera is one of the most bloated thingys i've ever seen,and i will never pay for taking off that ****ty ad that brings in the free version.

opera sucks really

firefox all the way between these 2

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What's your criteria on 'bloatware'?

Firefox and Opera takes almost equal system resources.

Offering much more features without being heavy is 'bloated'????

[+unabatedshagie Subscriber¹]

opera is one of the most bloated thingys i've ever seen,and i will never pay for taking off that ****ty ad that brings in the free version.

opera sucks really

firefox all the way between these 2

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I'm also curious as to why you call opera bloated? Care to explain?

[worbd]

Opera is actually a smaller download than Firefox. If it hadn't been for the Flash plugin, it would have been even smaller. Ignore the troll.

[javurn]

this Opera versus Firefox thread is lasting months...

Lets cut to the meat. Although the many many firefox fanboys think they hit gold with their browser, opera essentially does the same thing if not more. Depends on taste. But i think opera is for more mature users who just want to get the job done, without the bells and whistles.

[Joey992]

I am a firefox user and recently I went back to try Opera again. It had been about a year since I tried it and I didn't notice a huge difference. It still looked amazing and has lots of bells and whistles. The only problems I had were downloads and using certain sites. As far as downloads are concerned, I like how firefox automatically downloads things to whichever folder you choose. If I want to download a zip file to a certain folder then I have it set to automatically download it without a dialog box coming up to ask me where to put it and the download completes tooltip pops up when its done. I love that feature and could not figure out how to get Opera to do just that. As for sites not loading, I realize it is a site issue and not a browser issue, but I had far more sites that didn't load in Opera that have no trouble with Firefox. A couple of these sites I frequent so I really couldn't be bothered to figure out what I was doing wrong. I guess I'm a Firefox fanboy. I don't think Opera sucks though, it's just not for me.

[lav-chan]

As far as downloads are concerned, I like how firefox automatically downloads things to whichever folder you choose. If I want to download a zip file to a certain folder then I have it set to automatically download it without a dialog box coming up to ask me where to put it and the download completes tooltip pops up when its done.  I love that feature and could not figure out how to get Opera to do just that.

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It's in 'File types' in the preferences. Click 'Edit...' on an existing file type, or create a new one, and there's a box that says 'Do not ask for folder, but save directly to'. Opera has lots of other rad file-type settings that you can play with, too, although i don't know how many of them are common to Firetruck as well.

No idea about the sites not loading though.

[zerone]

7.6 Preview, works with Gmail already :) (you can get it from the Forums.)

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True, Using it right now :yes:

[Slimy]

firefox because it is free, although i use ie

[Elliott]

this Opera versus Firefox thread is lasting months...

Lets cut to the meat.  Although the many many firefox fanboys think they hit gold with their browser, opera essentially does the same thing if not more.  Depends on taste.  But i think opera is for more mature users who just want to get the job done, without the bells and whistles.

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...wait a second. You said Opera was for the ones you want to get the job done without all the bells and whistles? Heh, Opera has way more bells and whistles out of the box than Firefox. Firefox is the one that gets the browsing job done, and does it extremely well.

Lav, why do you insist on calling it Firetruck? That's like me calling Opera "Screaming Fat Lady with a strange hat".

[neatofx]

Lav, why do you insist on calling it Firetruck? That's like me calling Opera "Screaming Fat Lady with a strange hat".

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LOL :laugh:

[AV0X]

Opera 7.