FireFox or Opera ?

[Toxicfume Veteran]

...wait a second.  You said Opera was for the ones you want to get the job done without all the bells and whistles? Heh, Opera has way more bells and whistles out of the box than Firefox. Firefox is the one that gets the browsing job done, and does it extremely well...

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Way more bells and whistles? Maybe in your view, but I think it contains just the right items you need(don't forget this browser is actually a suite)..but does that mean it cannot get the job done? right after installation does the user have to first go and configure options? absolutely not, he can begin surfing right away, with just the right set of tools needed.

[lav-chan]

Lav, why do you insist on calling it Firetruck? That's like me calling Opera "Screaming Fat Lady with a strange hat".

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Doesn't have such a nice ring to it. :/

Originally it was just my way of making fun of how they changed the name 18'000 different times (give or take 17'998), but i guess it kind of stuck for me. Also when i heard about that one extension that lets you change the name of the browser i had to play with it some and i kind of thought that was funny.

/me shrug

[MR_DEVIL]

of course firefox.

[lav-chan]

Of course.

[Michael_C]

I think the results of https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=221417 pretty much sum it all up, nothing beats Gecko.

[realmcoy]

Re: Trolls.

For those who illegally obtained Opera, it's a tossup b/w Opera & Firefox.

For the paying customer, however, in their minds, Opera would be the better choice. There's no way that they're going to admit that Opera was the inferior product (it's not, btw.) They're not going to admit to making a pointless purchase.

That's the way of the world. If you choose to put your hard-earned dollars towards a product that you believe suits you best, it'd be very hard for a troll to sway you the other way.

By the same token, Opera users who troll on a Firefox-oriented thread (there are quite a few, actually) should find something better to do. Keep in mind that fx-users paid next to nothing for a product that has a great following.

Firefox-fanboys, and Anti-firefox-fanboys are one in the same. You can't differentiate b/w the two, no matter how hard you try. Neowin seems to engender this almost-zealous behavior, quite understandably, as it's a public forum of ideas.

Neowin isn't at fault. Nobody is. At the end of the day, the database is nothing more than a glob of opinions: some good, some bad, some useful, some useless. Infer what you will from the series of arguments presented. You have the right to decide how much time you'd like to waste on a project that has no impact on your life whatsoever.

There's no need for you to be irritated by the member of the opposite party, nor is it neccessary for you to rebuke or act callously in return.

Just my 1.99 cents.

[vcv]

I think the results of https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=221417 pretty much sum it all up, nothing beats Gecko.

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All that shows is that the neowin user base favors firefox.

[x-byte]

I think the results of https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=221417 pretty much sum it all up, nothing beats Gecko.

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That poll just show that the majority of Neowin users use Gecko, nothing more.. :rolleyes:

[Michael_C]

That poll just show that the majority of Neowin users use Gecko, nothing more..  :rolleyes:

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And since they're likely to be knowledgeable on tech stuff doesn't that tell you something?

[Malisk]

That poll just show that the majority of Neowin users use Gecko, nothing more..  :rolleyes:

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Heh, of course it does :)

Now, why do you think the majority of Neowin users prefer Gecko?

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Heh, of course it does :)

Now, why do you think the majority of Neowin users prefer Gecko?

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Beats me :huh:

[PermaSt0ne]

Re: Trolls.

For those who illegally obtained Opera, it's a tossup b/w Opera & Firefox.

For the paying customer, however, in their minds, Opera would be the better choice. There's no way that they're going to admit that Opera was the inferior product (it's not, btw.) They're not going to admit to making a pointless purchase.

That's the way of the world. If you choose to put your hard-earned dollars towards a product that you believe suits you best, it'd be very hard for a troll to sway you the other way.

By the same token, Opera users who troll on a Firefox-oriented thread (there are quite a few, actually) should find something better to do. Keep in mind that fx-users paid next to nothing for a product that has a great following.

Firefox-fanboys, and Anti-firefox-fanboys are one in the same. You can't differentiate b/w the two, no matter how hard you try. Neowin seems to engender this almost-zealous behavior, quite understandably, as it's a public forum of ideas.

Neowin isn't at fault. Nobody is. At the end of the day, the database is nothing more than a glob of opinions: some good, some bad, some useful, some useless. Infer what you will from the series of arguments presented. You have the right to decide how much time you'd like to waste on a project that has no impact on your life whatsoever.

There's no need for you to be irritated by the member of the opposite party, nor is it neccessary for you to rebuke or act callously in return.

Just my 1.99 cents.

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NO FIREFOX IS BETTER ! ! ! !

lol j/k. i agree completely and there isnt' really a point to asking this question in a thread. just like the thread above states, the base of neowin people like firefox.

The only way to tell which one to use, is to use both of em and see for yourself

[worbd]

Now, why do you think the majority of Neowin users prefer Gecko?

Because it's free of course. Most people don't want to pay for anything, so they somehow manage to convince themselves that inferior free alternatives are better than professional, commercial ones ;)

[mufdvr3669]

i notice that you use Windows. Were you aware that Windows is not free? Why aren't you using Linux? I also hope America's Army is the only FPS you play, because almost all of the rest cost money. And i'll trust that you don't use Photoshop or Word or Nero.

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And I assume when you try two products you equally like you go for the one you have to pay more for. One for $30, one for free. Here, take my money. I like both equally, just prefer to use the free one, and no i don't want an adbar at the top of the screen. Here's what I want out of a browser, display webpages, be unobtrousive, block popups and spyware. I could care less about which one uses 15kb less memory or loads up pages .1 seconds quicker. It's just a browser.

Edited December 16, 2004 by mufdvr3669

[Michael_C]

Because it's free of course. Most people don't want to pay for anything, so they somehow manage to convince themselves that inferior free alternatives are better than professional, commercial ones ;)

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You can use Opera for free as long as you like so thats not even a valid arguement. And there are many cases where free alternatives are better than commercial ones too.

[lav-chan]

And I assume when you try two products you equally like you go for the one you have to pay more for.  One for $30, one for free.  Here, take my money.  I like both equally, just prefer to use the free one, and no i don't want an adbar at the top of the screen.  Here's what I want out of a browser, display webpages, be unobtrousive, block popups and spyware.  I could care less about which one uses 15kb less memory or loads up pages .1 seconds quicker.  It's just a browser.

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Hmm, you know, i may have been a little more rabid than necessary. What i had assumed (mistakenly, i guess) was that your entire basis for using Firetruck was the freeness. But i guess if it's like that i probably can see your logic. Sorry. :p

[vhcs]

vote 1 for this topic

LOL

that should like its a good thing when vote 5 really is

[Malisk]

Because it's free of course. Most people don't want to pay for anything, so they somehow manage to convince themselves that inferior free alternatives are better than professional, commercial ones ;)

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Heh, so why not stick with IE then? :p

Also, Opera don't have to cost you anything besides an ad bar.

I personally think there are more to it than that...

Maybe better advertising job on Mozilla's part, maybe more features, maybe both.

There's definitely something else than money involved though, since I don't recall myself coughing up money to try out Opera.

[Chode]

Lav, why do you insist on calling it Firetruck? That's like me calling Opera "Screaming Fat Lady with a strange hat".

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I like it...

(not a photoshop, my browser's title is now set to this)

Re: Trolls.

For those who illegally obtained Opera, it's a tossup b/w Opera & Firefox.

...

Just my 1.99 cents.

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And since they're likely to be knowledgeable on tech stuff doesn't that tell you something?

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A mob is only as smart as it's stupidest member. This especially proves true when you read posts by half of our members here. This thread is a shining example of the caliber of member you will find here on Neowin.

Oh yeah, Use Opera. :cool:

[lav-chan]

Not true. All the drive-by posters in this thread going 'lol ffox is betta cos oepra sux!11' and 'duh use opera :rolleyes:' lack common sense, not tech knowledge. <_<

[vcv]

A mob is only as smart as it's stupidest member. This especially proves true when you read posts by half of our members here. This thread is a shining example of the caliber of member you will find here on Neowin.

Oh yeah, Use Opera.  :cool:

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As rude as that sounds, I agree for the most part. Neowin has both extremes. Just because it prefers firefox as a community, does not make it better. This argument will fail over and over again. It is a logical fallacy.

I consider myself to be very very tech saavy. I work as a Software Engineer for a living, earning very good (and potentially excessive) money. I have used Opera since 3.x and Firefox since somewhere around 0.40. Now, since I prefer Opera.. does that make my opinion weigh more than another persons who is not as tech saavy? Absolutely not.

Opera is something that grows on you. The more you use it, the more little things you find, the more you like it. Firefox grabs you from the start. It's all about target audience.

Firefox tends to target newbies and people that want to migrate over from IE. They also target those who always want something new, and want control.

Not to say Opera doesn't do the same, but it's to a lesser degree.

[worbd]

Heh, so why not stick with IE then? :p

Because it's crap.

Also, Opera don't have to cost you anything besides an ad bar.

I personally think there are more to it than that...

Yes, Firefox is completely free. No ads or anything.

There's definitely something else than money involved though

Doubtful.

[KTamas]

Firefox.

[Matt T]

I've tried them both - I don't like either of them - but opera was better then firefox. Why? Yes opera has ads and yes it's a huge download if you want java; but opera loaded faster then firefox, opera had a better design and layout, and you can bearly see the text ads.

if you want a great browser, go with IE. but if you insist on not using IE, I'd say use opera :)

All the drive-by posters in this thread going 'lol ffox is betta cos oepra sux!11' and 'duh use opera :rolleyes:' lack common sense, not tech knowledge.

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I second that.

[lav-chan]

'OK, here's what i'm going to do, everybody. I'm going to sign up for a forum and then i'm going to accumulate 1258 posts by just reading the thread titles and replying to them without thinking about or expounding my reply.'

CHECK

I'm going to end up getting banned because i can't stop pointing out idiocy. :(