2pac - Loyal To The Game

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Was Eminem Justified In Altering The Lyrics For This CD?  

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  1. 1. Was Eminem Justified In Altering The Lyrics For This CD?

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vincent

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Directed to Don and all you foos who think the same:

First of all, you dont know **** about Tupac. Second, that bull you said about how Tupac just spit verses and they were thorwn on beats is not true. A couple of his songs could have been made like that but very little. He made his tracks by sitting in a studio, bumping beats, writing verses to those beats and then spitting them on Rec. or somtimes freestyling on Rec., doing like three, four songs a day. Thats how he did All Eyez On Me, he sat down at the studio for like two weeks and droped a double disc. Third, Feminem's production does change the message, not the message of Pac's lyrics but the message of what Pac is about, his beats are blended with Pac so that affiliates Pac with Feminem and his message, which dont go together and would never go together if Pac was alive. Fourth, 2pacalypse Now and All Eyez On Me sound different because 2pacalyspe Now was dropped in 1993 and All Eyez On Me was in 1996, during that time span the general sound of hip-hop beats changed and also because he had Death Row production team on All Eyez On Me, while 2pacalypse Now was his first Cd and was on Interscope.

Your right about people are looking for a reason to complain because they have somehting against Feminem and his wac affiliates, but thats a ****ing valid reason, because Tupac would've never collaborated with Feminem or G-Unit.

If you question these facts I must tell you I've study Tupac since he died, his music and poetry, the biographies, the documentaries, obvisouly Resurrection but also Biggie & Pac, which shows footage of him in the studio doing what I explained.

            So next time dont act like know **** when you dont know ****.

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Thank you and welcome to Neowin :D

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Xero

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I agree with the majority of what he said. Calling Eminem Feminem, common, thats so childish, it makes me take your entire message not very serious. I agree with what he meant through the tracks and all about pac basically being on a mission in his tracks and working with the beats because I too have studied pac since his death reading and watching everything you have listed.

I do on the other hand enjoy this album. 2pac's message is still the same as in all his songs, no matter how many times you cut his lyrics up and mix them with others and change the beats. His music all had the same message and these songs have it too. Eminem however did change them around to match his Shady style of rap which I wouldn't say is a bad thing. A lot of people like Eminem and his style of rap. I like the way 2pac would have sounded if he was down with Shady and all. I never said he is better sounding like Shady, nor is he worse. All in all I like this album very much and I think Eminem did a very good job. It might not have stayed true to the traditional 2pac albums but it certianly was a good listen. I love the beats very catchy and anything 2pac says I love so I wouldn't even need to rate the lyrics.

Also those saying 2pac wouldn't have liked what Eminem did (making him down with Shady and all) you don't know ****. 2pac could have been down with Shady, the fact is he died before he could have made a choice.

Neowinian

HipHopHead206

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Eminem's beats are pure crap. Most of his songs contain a little drum beat and just loop throughout the whole song. Not exactly what I call a song.  ;)

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Word. His beats all sound the ****in same, he uses that corny ****ing scratch in almost all his beats.

Grand Master

kryptonik

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I like them a lot so I think you 2 are big fags.

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And I think you are a fag. Way to voice your opinion. ;)

Enough of this, I don't shouldn't even be reading this little boy's comments. Go ahead and continue bashing anyone that thinks Eminem cannot produce. :sleep:

Grand Master

IlliniPi

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:sleep: at this thread now, eminem is gayhop and all his other mtv click, westcoast needs to boot the "game" outta cali. we dont need his sellout wannabe ass there.  long live the "Houndz of da Undaground"

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I've been noticing as of recently that you keep praising your California music or whatever. Thats great and all and the whole bashing of MTV/BET/STD and whatnot is nice too. But you do have to realize, that at one point, a few of the arists you mentioned were also "commercial." RunDMC, WuTang, Tribe Called Quest, among others were at one time on MTV or BET. I don't understand why you have to categorize all types of rap and now you label anything on TV as being a group/artist that sucks. I'm still missing the logic there as artists need to promote their music in someway and just radio and media isn't going to cut it.

Grand Master

kombolcha

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from 2paconline.com

BOYCOTT NEW 2PAC ALBUM!

I'm sure most of the 2Pac fans out there have heard the new album Loyal to the Game. It is all over the Internet and it will be released in retail version shortly.

We at 2Paconline want to ask all 2Pac fans to NOT purchase this new album.

This has gone too far. We have been representing 2Pac online ever since before he passed away and have always supported his new releases. We have been through 8 years of posthumous releases and have watched what they have been doing. We have been loyal through all of the lyric editing, remixing, unmastered releases, off beat production. We accepted it because it was still worth it hearing another 2Pac album with new material.

However, Amaru is now taking their degradation of 2Pac's legacy to a whole new level. They are now messing with 2Pac's vocals in ways they have never done before like speeding them up and slowing them down and distorting the pitch until they sound like garbage. This is mostly a by-product of Eminem's production. He can't produce a beat to match 2Pac's flow so he tries to make 2Pac's flow match the beat. He doesn't realize how god-awful this makes the tracks sound. Anyone that knows anything about remixing will tell you that its much less noticable to distort the speed of a beat to match vocals than it is to distort the speed of the vocals to match a beat.

Furthermore, we now have chopping of 2Pac's lyrics like we have never seen before. Ghetto Gospel, for example, is missing over 60% of its lyrics! And to top that off, we have vocals added by cutting and pasting 2Pac's voice. We have him saying things like: "G-Unit", "Hey Em Turn that **** Up!"

Do you think any other legend on 2Pac's level would have his/her work degraded like this?

We need Amaru to respect 2Pac's legacy. To release tracks the way they were recorded. To hire producers that 2Pac would have worked with. To have guest appearances by people 2Pac would have worked with.

So please do not purchase this trash. Download it (you can find links to it on the boards) and burn it if you really must. But do not donate to or support the Shady/Amaru collaboration in anyway. Instead support 2Pac this year by purchasing one of his unmolested albums like 2PacalypseNow, Strictly 4 My NIGGAZ, Me Against the World, THUG LIFE, All Eyez On Me, Makaveli, or R U Still Down?

What else can you do? Give AMARU Records a call at (404)508-9511 and let them know what you think about their latest release and how they are affecting 2Pac's legacy. Please be professional when you call.

Grand Master

vincent

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I've been noticing as of recently that you keep praising your California music or whatever.  Thats great and all and the whole bashing of MTV/BET/STD and whatnot is nice too.  But you do have to realize, that at one point, a few of the arists you mentioned were also "commercial."  RunDMC, WuTang, Tribe Called Quest, among others were at one time on MTV or BET.  I don't understand why you have to categorize all types of rap and now you label anything on TV as being a group/artist that sucks.  I'm still missing the logic there as artists need to promote their music in someway and just radio and media isn't going to cut it.

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negative. all the rap artists i listen to , have there own independant labels, they dont sell out to a moneyhungry big time record label. google "E-40" and read up on his story on how he made it in the game and youll see what im talking bout. and also go here

Mc Eiht's latest interview and get back to me dog you'll see my point very very clear.

Neowinian

TupacLegend

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negative.  all the rap artists i listen to , have there own independant labels, they dont sell out to a moneyhungry big time record label. google "E-40" and read up on his story on how he made it in the game and youll see what im talking bout.  and also go here

Mc Eiht's latest  interview and get back to me dog you'll see my point very very clear.

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I think one thing we are all missing about the 2pac album is there is always going to be controversy and criticism on every album he will put out. We all love Pac in a different way and Im sure we all want to hear Pac's music in a certain way. It's a trip because it feels like he's a part of us and if we listen to a beat or an album that is not suited to our expectation then we will take it as a diss. It just shows how much love we have for this man. But we can't put the blame on one man, like Eminem, for "messing up an album."

One thing we gotta realize is that Pac made all these acappellas before he died so he could live on through his music over the years by having them produced by the most current people who were in the music business. This way he would reach the new age of music listeners and he would be respected by them.

We shouldn't be fighting on how his album is horrible or how it is messed up. We should be positive about it. We should be happy that we get to hear Pac one last time.

In the words of Pac "we gotta show greater restraint" on how we feel about our negative thoughts and we should accept that a "little change is good for everybody."

This album is a change, just like all of his albums that have been released since his death, and we should just enjoy it.

R.I.P. Pac

Neowinian

TupacLegend

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And I think you are a fag. Way to voice your opinion.  ;)

Enough of this, I don't shouldn't even be reading this little boy's comments. Go ahead and continue bashing anyone that thinks Eminem cannot produce.  :sleep:

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I think one thing we are all missing about the 2pac album is there is always going to be controversy and criticism on every album he will put out. We all love Pac in a different way and Im sure we all want to hear Pac's music in a certain way. It's a trip because it feels like he's a part of us and if we listen to a beat or an album that is not suited to our expectation then we will take it as a diss. It just shows how much love we have for this man. But we can't put the blame on one man, like Eminem, for "messing up an album."

One thing we gotta realize is that Pac made all these acappellas before he died so he could live on through his music over the years by having them produced by the most current people who were in the music business. This way he would reach the new age of music listeners and he would be respected by them.

We shouldn't be fighting on how his album is horrible or how it is messed up. We should be positive about it. We should be happy that we get to hear Pac one last time.

In the words of Pac "we gotta show greater restraint" on how we feel about our negative thoughts and we should accept that a "little change is good for everybody."

This album is a change, just like all of his albums that have been released since his death, and we should just enjoy it.

R.I.P. Pac

Neowinian

TupacLegend

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And he keeps releasing albums from the grave.

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I think one thing we are all missing about the 2pac album is there is always going to be controversy and criticism on every album he will put out. We all love Pac in a different way and Im sure we all want to hear Pac's music in a certain way. It's a trip because it feels like he's a part of us and if we listen to a beat or an album that is not suited to our expectation then we will take it as a diss. It just shows how much love we have for this man. But we can't put the blame on one man, like Eminem, for "messing up an album."

One thing we gotta realize is that Pac made all these acappellas before he died so he could live on through his music over the years by having them produced by the most current people who were in the music business. This way he would reach the new age of music listeners and he would be respected by them.

We shouldn't be fighting on how his album is horrible or how it is messed up. We should be positive about it. We should be happy that we get to hear Pac one last time.

In the words of Pac "we gotta show greater restraint" on how we feel about our negative thoughts and we should accept that a "little change is good for everybody."

This album is a change, just like all of his albums that have been released since his death, and we should just enjoy it.

R.I.P. Pac

Grand Master

vincent

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I think one thing we are all missing about the 2pac album is there is always going to be controversy and criticism on every album he will put out. We all love Pac in a different way and Im sure we all want to hear Pac's music in a certain way. It's a trip because it feels like he's a part of us and if we listen to a beat or an album that is not suited to our expectation then we will take it as a diss. It just shows how much love we have for this man.  But we can't put the blame on one man, like Eminem, for "messing up an album." 

One thing we gotta realize is that Pac made all these acappellas before he died so he could live on through his music over the years by having them produced by the most current people who were in the music business. This way he would reach the new age of music listeners and he would be respected by them. 

We shouldn't be fighting on how his album is horrible or how it is messed up. We should be positive about it. We should be happy that we get to hear Pac one last time.

In the words of Pac "we gotta show greater restraint" on how we feel about our negative thoughts and we should accept that a "little change is good for everybody."

This album is a change, just like all of his albums that have been released since his death, and we should just enjoy it.

R.I.P. Pac

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:rolleyes:

Neowinian

TupacLegend

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Yea, and pac is still alive.  :whistle:

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I think one thing we are all missing about the 2pac album is there is always going to be controversy and criticism on every album he will put out. We all love Pac in a different way and Im sure we all want to hear Pac's music in a certain way. It's a trip because it feels like he's a part of us and if we listen to a beat or an album that is not suited to our expectation then we will take it as a diss. It just shows how much love we have for this man. But we can't put the blame on one man, like Eminem, for "messing up an album."

One thing we gotta realize is that Pac made all these acappellas before he died so he could live on through his music over the years by having them produced by the most current people who were in the music business. This way he would reach the new age of music listeners and he would be respected by them.

We shouldn't be fighting on how his album is horrible or how it is messed up. We should be positive about it. We should be happy that we get to hear Pac one last time.

In the words of Pac "we gotta show greater restraint" on how we feel about our negative thoughts and we should accept that a "little change is good for everybody."

This album is a change, just like all of his albums that have been released since his death, and we should just enjoy it.

R.I.P. Pac

Enthusiast

Meksikan

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Directed to Don and all you foos who think the same:

First of all, you dont know **** about Tupac. Second, that bull you said about how Tupac just spit verses and they were thorwn on beats is not true. A couple of his songs could have been made like that but very little. He made his tracks by sitting in a studio, bumping beats, writing verses to those beats and then spitting them on Rec. or somtimes freestyling on Rec., doing like three, four songs a day. Thats how he did All Eyez On Me, he sat down at the studio for like two weeks and droped a double disc. Third, Feminem's production does change the message, not the message of Pac's lyrics but the message of what Pac is about, his beats are blended with Pac so that affiliates Pac with Feminem and his message, which dont go together and would never go together if Pac was alive. Fourth, 2pacalypse Now and All Eyez On Me sound different because 2pacalyspe Now was dropped in 1993 and All Eyez On Me was in 1996, during that time span the general sound of hip-hop beats changed and also because he had Death Row production team on All Eyez On Me, while 2pacalypse Now was his first Cd and was on Interscope.

Your right about people are looking for a reason to complain because they have somehting against Feminem and his wac affiliates, but thats a ****ing valid reason, because Tupac would've never collaborated with Feminem or G-Unit.

If you question these facts I must tell you I've study Tupac since he died, his music and poetry, the biographies, the documentaries, obvisouly Resurrection but also Biggie & Pac, which shows footage of him in the studio doing what I explained.

            So next time dont act like know **** when you dont know ****.

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I agree 110%.

@Rip. Cats dont know about the bay and most likely never will other than Baby Beesh(Bash) and E-40. The cats in the midwest know about Thizzelle Washington at least.

R.I.P. Mac Dre. R.I.P. Tupac

Grand Master

vincent

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@Rip. Cats dont know about the bay and most likely never will other than Baby Beesh(Bash) and E-40. The cats in the midwest know about Thizzelle Washington at least.

R.I.P.  Mac Dre. R.I.P. Tupac

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I know and it's sad, theres way more Rap talent in norther California, than what is mainstream nowadays. :no:

R.I.P Mac Dre, R.I.P Black C. And Coughnut :cry:

Grand Master

riahc3

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heh... so he said g-unit cuz they were round in 96..... and yeah i kno bout all the computer voice crap.. but it sounds so real + notice how dre is no where on the album :p

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Dre aint gonna work with Pac because there was a unreleased (which was finally released) diss towards Dre, Dre heard it and it was over. If Pac didnt diss Dre would have done this album. Yes i know they did Cali Love but this was after Cali Love. I could be wrong tho

I like them a lot so I think you 2 are big fags.

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Eminem produces very very bad compared to other producers. If all you listen is stuff produced by Eminem/Shady/Aftermath then try something else. After a couple of songs youll see Eminem has got plently to learn.

And yes its really fu*ked up that Em just made Pac say things.....

Oh yes and i found a lyric to start all over again the whole "2Pac said (insert something of the future here that wasnt in 1996)! Hes gotta be alive!"

"N.I.G.G.A (Never Ignorant about Getting Goals Accomplished)":

"...in 99 im packing 2 now..."

99 huh? as in 1999? (Let the theories begin)

When someone is rapping is harder to modify a word and make it unnoticable that it was changed. Em isnt like i said a good producer so i doubt his lazy ass changed it himself :p Oh well........

And everyone saying that Em mixed the "G-Unit" words into Pac's mouth. That is a great cover if someone was faking their death...... :shifty:

(I btw know 2Pac is dead)

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