2pac - Loyal To The Game

[Amarok]

Kickass album.

[kombolcha]

downloaded it last night.. heard a few albums. I LOVE THEM ALL SO FAR.. especially Uppercut.

[syphern]

Guys come on, Eminem totally ruined his tracks! There was word on the removal of many original rappers from some of the songs (Moprene was removed - Tupacs own half brother and a member of THUG LIFE). This album goes against exactly what Tupac stood for, he introduced no name rappers to the game all the time, to share what he had and are removed now only to be replaced by G- Unit. Personally I think Em's beats dont go with his flow, listen to the original unreleased Thugs get lonely too and compare it, you will see what im talking about. Fans are already voicing their opinions http://freetupac.com/

That site puts it prefectly, his artistic expression just doesnt exist on this album.

[vincent]

MAinstream sucks, along with G-unit (like there really g's now there not even living in the ghetto anymore, fakers) and 50 cent( another studio thug) this is why i sitck with my northern Kali RAP, and as far as hip hop goes i stick with what WAS real ( Wutang, RunDMC, Tribecalled Quest etc etc.., ) this p**** me off so much that EM would attempt something like this, and the Sad thing is that People are gonna buy this :no:

[syphern]

MAinstream sucks, along with G-unit (like there really g's now there not even living in the ghetto anymore, fakers) and 50 cent( another studio thug) this is why i sitck with my northern Kali RAP, and as far as hip hop goes i stick with what WAS real ( Wutang, RunDMC, Tribecalled Quest etc etc.., ) this p**** me off so much that EM would attempt something like this, and the Sad thing is that People are gonna buy this :no:

585030271[/snapback]

Exactly man, Eminem made Tupac too commercial in this album. Why couldnt they just release mastered versions of the originals, so you could get the same feeling you get listening to his older albums. Damn I waited so long for a new album, and WTF is up with the clown/circus music in the background on the Hennessey track, totally trashed his style. :angry: Eminem was handing out large fries in burger king when pac died, so wtf does he know on producing pacs tracks, get tupacs old friends, the people who actually worked with him. Afeni made a big mistake.

[MetaLRasaM]

Guys come on, Eminem totally ruined his tracks!? There was word on the removal of many original rappers from some of the songs (Moprene was removed - Tupacs own half brother and a member of THUG LIFE).? This album goes against exactly what Tupac stood for, he introduced no name rappers to the game all the time, to share what he had and are removed now only to be replaced by G- Unit.? Personally I think Em's beats dont go with his flow, listen to the original unreleased Thugs get lonely too and compare it, you will see what im talking about.? Fans are already voicing their opinions http://freetupac.com/

That site puts it prefectly, his artistic expression just doesnt exist on this album.

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i agree..em really messed the album up...horrible albu:no::no:

he slowed down pacs flow..you can tell..just to match his beats...he messed it up man..now im sure pacs dead...cuz if he was alive..he wouldnt let this **** hit the streets...

Edited December 2, 2004 by MetaLRasaM

[vincent]

The teenagers today dont have no clue what was real, they mostly think that the stuff thats out now is real hiphop,

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Bay area,lynch, e-40, b-legit, MAC DRE, X-raided, Tech9ne, MessyMarv,San Quinn, Young Droop, C-bo, Yukmouth, Luniz, etc etc ( for those who know who im talking bout) are REAL RAP (Y)

REal HIP HOP: Wu, TRIBE, RUNDMC, RAEKWON, METH, RED, GZA, Digable Planets, etc etc ...(for those who know who imtalking bout

[SabaTime]

I think Eminem is a great rapper but a horrible producer. Afeni Shakur only hired him because she wants money.

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Well your an idiot because I think Eminem is a very talented producer, hes done great work in the past and now with 2Pac's cd is bomb.

[MetaLRasaM]

The teenagers today dont have no clue what was real, they mostly think that the stuff thats out now is real hiphop,

MTV (N)

BET (N)

Radio stations (N)

Bay area,lynch, e-40, b-legit, MAC DRE, X-raided, Tech9ne, MessyMarv,San Quinn, Young Droop, C-bo, Yukmouth, Luniz, etc etc ( for those who know who im talking bout) are REAL RAP (Y)

REal HIP HOP: Wu, TRIBE, RUNDMC, RAEKWON, METH, RED, GZA, Digable Planets, etc etc ...(for those who know who imtalking bout

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heres the formula..if you see them on the mtv...90 percent of the time..their ****...unless its their first album..which means it MIGHT be good...however..they are execptions...k-west and some more i cant think of rite now...

but if you dont know them..chances are their the real underground ****.

[robniep]

Funny I'm listening to this at the moment! ;)

Love pac but what I don't support what Eminem is doing. I like Eminem and all but he needs to leave his stuff alone.

[syphern]

Well your an idiot because I think Eminem is a very talented producer, hes done great work in the past and now with 2Pac's cd is bomb.

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If YOU think Eminem is a very talented producer, why does that make him an idiot? He has an opinion too. :rolleyes:

[Xero]

I think this album is incredible and Eminem did an incredible job. Everyone bashing them album should get the sticks out of their asses and realize that Eminem took a different approach on 2pac's records. When 2pac recorded them originally they were mainstream rap. Eminem just updated the lyrics with today's mainstream rap. If you don't like it, you need to wake up and look at the music that is being played today. Times have changed they aren't what they used to be.

I'm happy the way Eminem made it. I'm glad he made 2pac match more modern rap but keep his same style of lyrically flow.

In addition, everyone stating Eminem ruined the album. That's your opinion, not everyone elses. Keep that in mind. He didn't ruin the album for me, just you.

Even more. People claiming that Eminem changed Tupacs messages? Wtf does that mean? Most of the songs if not all were unreleased ones. None of you know what his intended message was. None of you talked with 2pac. None of you can state that Eminem changed the message, because none of you knew the message to begin with. Now don't give me that bull**** that you do know, because you don't.

[syphern]

I think this album is incredible and Eminem did an incredible job. Everyone bashing them album should get the sticks out of their asses and realize that Eminem took a different approach on 2pac's records. When 2pac recorded them originally they were mainstream rap. Eminem just updated the lyrics with today's mainstream rap. If you don't like it, you need to wake up and look at the music that is being played today. Times have changed they aren't what they used to be.

I'm happy the way Eminem made it. I'm glad he made 2pac match more modern rap but keep his same style of lyrically flow.

In addition, everyone stating Eminem ruined the album. That's your opinion, not everyone elses. Keep that in mind. He didn't ruin the album for me, just you.

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Actually we have the right to bash the album man, we were and still are fans. The reason Tupac was great was because of the way his style flows with his music, what you are saying is its great Em updated his beats to suit todays music, so tell me this, will his style be flowing with HIS music? No. If someone released an album containing Elvis's unreleased tracks and changed the music and the speed of his lyrics compared to the originals would you think fans of elvis would be happy? Sure the general public might love it, but thats not what his style stood for.

And yes I agree its opinions, I thought the album would be great, but voice manipulation just does not cut it man.

[Boffa Jones Veteran]

The only thing i really hate about some of the rap fans is that they think 'he isnt living in a **** neighborhood' so he must be bad or 'he was in jail' that gives him more cred. I thougth like that when i mainly listened to rap years ago, but you have to realize if you get money you aren't going to stay in your 1 bedroom apartment in the ghetto.

And being in jail doesn't give you cred, it makes you an ###### if you are there for a legit reason. Saying this, I still like rap and listen to it regularily enough.

[syphern]

Even more. People claiming that Eminem changed Tupacs messages? Wtf does that mean? Most of the songs if not all were unreleased ones. None of you know what his intended message was. None of you talked with 2pac. None of you can state that Eminem changed the message, because none of you knew the message to begin with. Now don't give me that bull**** that you do know, because you don't.

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Neither did Eminem :rolleyes: Thats why I say give all his master copies to the people who produced tracks with him, so using your logic em doesnt know **** either, thus the album is bull****. And I have heard some of the unreleased tracks that he remastered he literally changed pacs flow.

[Xero]

You can't bash the album and then tell someone else not to bash someone else. Quit being a hypocrite. You told Randy not to call Soul an idiot, because it was Souls opinion. So keep your CD bashing strictly to opinion.

[syphern]

You can't bash the album and then tell someone else not to bash someone else. Quit being a hypocrite. You told Randy not to call Soul an idiot, because it was Souls opinion. So keep your CD bashing strictly to opinion.

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Thats exactly what it is man, its my opinion, if you dont like it... tough. Ill live with it. You dont have to agree with what im saying. The only reason I told him not to call soul an idiot was because it was out of context. It was souls opinion he had nothing to do with this album. Look at who im bashing, the people who had something to do with the product.

[Xero]

Well I'm not going to get all into a big argument here. So I will add a poll to let people vote.

[syphern]

Well I'm not going to get all into a big argument here. So I will add a poll to let people vote.

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ROTFL. Ah ill leave it too, im just angry man that it doesnt live upto pacs normal level and style, in my opinion of course. But what can we do, tupac isnt here to produce his own music so you are going to get opposing forces every tupac album thats released in the future.

[blueshirt]

And he keeps releasing albums from the grave.

[riahc3]

I think this album is incredible and Eminem did an incredible job. Everyone bashing them album should get the sticks out of their asses and realize that Eminem took a different approach on 2pac's records. When 2pac recorded them originally they were mainstream rap. Eminem just updated the lyrics with today's mainstream rap. If you don't like it, you need to wake up and look at the music that is being played today. Times have changed they aren't what they used to be.

I'm happy the way Eminem made it. I'm glad he made 2pac match more modern rap but keep his same style of lyrically flow.

In addition, everyone stating Eminem ruined the album. That's your opinion, not everyone elses. Keep that in mind. He didn't ruin the album for me, just you.

Even more. People claiming that Eminem changed Tupacs messages? Wtf does that mean? Most of the songs if not all were unreleased ones. None of you know what his intended message was. None of you talked with 2pac. None of you can state that Eminem changed the message, because none of you knew the message to begin with. Now don't give me that bull**** that you do know, because you don't.

585030477[/snapback]

Have you listened to all of 2Pac's albums? Sure if this is your 2nd-3rd 2Pac album you've listened to then you have no clue what Pac is about. Eminem tottally f*cked the album. Sure you can say the production was great and all your want but its not a 2Pac album. Its another Shady/Aftermath project. Bottom line.

Well as you can tell Eminem messed up the inside of the album. Outside and sell wise its gonna sell alot but the message, the lyrics, the 2Pac of the album is not there. Its been replaced by 2PaCommerical. OH well if it sells it sells.

[Don]

uhm... I hope you guys realize, 2Pac NEVER produced his own songs. 2pac just spit verses without music and it was thrown on beats by various producers, his music was changed constantly by producers. his flow and style was changed constantly by producers, the only thing that stays the same is his message, and his message is the same on this album, I realize eminem threw a few introductions for some of the rappers that 2pac never really said, and i dont know if I agree with him doing that, but it doesnt really change the message at all, and even if I dont agree with it, its still not THAT big of a deal.

so basically, this album is just like the others and I think people are looking for reasons to complain about it. suck it up. if you dont like the way it sounds, go listen to 2pacalypse now or all eyez on me, which are another two albums from 2pac that sound totally different and both done while he was alive.

edit: id also like to note that.. well I dont even know how many albums have came out since pac died, quiet a few, and every single one of them was produced differently and had different beats, a LOT of the songs had previously been released on bootleg albums with different beats, and different people featuring on them, so this is NOT the first time this has happened and eminem is NOT the first person to do it, yet no one is complaining about the other albums, so I say again I think people are looking for a reason to complain. mainly the people who have somthing against eminem, g unit, or mainstream music in general.

Edited December 3, 2004 by Don

[SoulEata]

Sorry, but once again this is Eminem gettin paid to throw all his Shady records friends on tracks with 2pac. Afeni knows anything with "Eminem" in the title somewhere is gonna make big bucks. Thats why she let him do it.

2pac has been releasing cds from the grave for years now, but I personally think he's still alive.

[djgramma]

I'd like to see some real hip hop and rap producers handle 2Pac and not bubbly pop producers like Feminem, Dre would've done a better job with his latest overused beat. Pop is pop, and I wish 2Pac would roll out of his grave and b*tchslap Em for messing with him. :angry:

Use the real underground producers who can feel his lyrics and make a perfect (or close to perfect) reflection of beats. I respect 2Pac but I hate Em for trying to sell himself as a serious artist/producer, when it's all about the money. :rolleyes:

Anyone don't like my thoughts can go to hell, they're mine and I'm stickin to them.

:p Cheers

[HipHopHead206]

uhm... I hope you guys realize, 2Pac NEVER produced his own songs. 2pac just spit verses without music and it was thrown on beats by various producers, his music was changed constantly by producers. his flow and style was changed constantly by producers, the only thing that stays the same is his message, and his message is the same on this album, I realize eminem threw a few introductions for some of the rappers that 2pac never really said, and i dont know if I agree with him doing that, but it doesnt really change the message at all, and even if I dont agree with it, its still not THAT big of a deal.

so basically, this album is just like the others and I think people are looking for reasons to complain about it. suck it up. if you dont like the way it sounds, go listen to 2pacalypse now or all eyez on me, which are another two albums from 2pac that sound totally different and both done while he was alive.

edit: id also like to note that.. well I dont even know how many albums have came out since pac died, quiet a few, and every single one of them was produced differently and had different beats, a LOT of the songs had previously been released on bootleg albums with different beats, and different people featuring on them, so this is NOT the first time this has happened and eminem is NOT the first person to do it, yet no one is complaining about the other albums, so I say again I think people are looking for a reason to complain. mainly the people who have somthing against eminem, g unit, or mainstream music in general.

Directed to Don and all you foos who think the same:

First of all, you dont know **** about Tupac. Second, that bull you said about how Tupac just spit verses and they were thorwn on beats is not true. A couple of his songs could have been made like that but very little. He made his tracks by sitting in a studio, bumping beats, writing verses to those beats and then spitting them on Rec. or somtimes freestyling on Rec., doing like three, four songs a day. Thats how he did All Eyez On Me, he sat down at the studio for like two weeks and droped a double disc. Third, Feminem's production does change the message, not the message of Pac's lyrics but the message of what Pac is about, his beats are blended with Pac so that affiliates Pac with Feminem and his message, which dont go together and would never go together if Pac was alive. Fourth, 2pacalypse Now and All Eyez On Me sound different because 2pacalyspe Now was dropped in 1993 and All Eyez On Me was in 1996, during that time span the general sound of hip-hop beats changed and also because he had Death Row production team on All Eyez On Me, while 2pacalypse Now was his first Cd and was on Interscope.

Your right about people are looking for a reason to complain because they have somehting against Feminem and his wac affiliates, but thats a ****ing valid reason, because Tupac would've never collaborated with Feminem or G-Unit.

If you question these facts I must tell you I've study Tupac since he died, his music and poetry, the biographies, the documentaries, obvisouly Resurrection but also Biggie & Pac, which shows footage of him in the studio doing what I explained.

So next time dont act like know **** when you dont know ****.