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It seems as though the general consensus is this:

Ease of use/good looking: iPod

Best sound: zen touch

Expandability/format support: iRiver

That's a generalization of what seems to be the same conversation over and over again here. The iPods have their ease of use locked down. The touch wheel is just natural to use. The Zen Touch's are bigger, but the sound quality is second to none and, once gotten used to, the touch pad is said to be pretty nice to use. The iRiver's tend to lack intuitive control at all, but have features up the wazoo including things like driverless support and ogg playback.

the toshiba gigabeat has been the best mp3 player i've ever had...

http://www.i4u.com/images/reviews/gigabeat...abeatg20_1s.jpg

http://www.i4u.com/images/reviews/gigabeat...abeatg20_2s.jpg

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I would love to get that one.

Simply the best looking players I've ever seen!!

I think I've narrowed it down to the Creative Zen Micro, Zen Touch and the iRiver H120. The iPods don't have an FM tuner which I sort of wanted and those horror stories about the batteries kind of scare me. The Rio and Toshiba also didn't have a radio and there wasn't anything amazing about them that would make me sacrifice the radio for.

I'm having trouble locating good price for the H120 though, everywhere seems to have it for over $300 but my roommate got it for around $250 I think he said on New Egg (which doesn't have it listed anymore).

I think I've narrowed it down to the Creative Zen Micro, Zen Touch and the iRiver H120. The iPods don't have an FM tuner which I sort of wanted and those horror stories about the batteries kind of scare me. The Rio and Toshiba also didn't have a radio and there wasn't anything amazing about them that would make me sacrifice the radio for.

I'm having trouble locating good price for the H120 though, everywhere seems to have it for over $300 but my roommate got it for around $250 I think he said on New Egg (which doesn't have it listed anymore).

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h120 has been discontinued. It's hard to find and you pay a premium to get it now.

Sorry?

Where did we get this info?

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Look at the stats, it's common knowledge.

It's opinion. Not common knowledge.

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No, it's not opinion. The hardware and software within the Nomad's are oriven better for sound. The hardware, sound wise, is rated to produce better sound than any other mp3 player on the market and the software includes EAX support which allows for outstanding alterations if you so desire.

Its not opinion. The sound to noise ratio for Creative players are by far the top of the line and lead the pack in all mp3 players out there. Common for it to be 98, compared to iriver's 90.

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iriver is 89, I believe, and the ipod is an 86

The iriver site said that it was 90...

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My mistake then, I remember reading it was 89. Lol not big of a deal but oh well. However, Creative does have the best sound producing hardware and software, within their portable players.

The Zen Micro? I don't think it's worth it. You can get a 20gb Zen Touch for a small amount more.

the toshiba gigabeat has been the best mp3 player i've ever had...

http://www.i4u.com/images/reviews/gigabeat...abeatg20_1s.jpg

http://www.i4u.com/images/reviews/gigabeat...abeatg20_2s.jpg

:wub:

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where did you get it in canada and how much?

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