quigley0 Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Steroids Now, i dont want to get off on a rant here (tribute to dennis miller) but I think we as a society have demanded that our players use steroids. The accomplisments of old days long forgotten cannot be the bar that we hold todays players to. Yesterdays game cannot excite todays fan, who because of TV can only watch about 3 minutes of game before being innundated with "Twins", Beer, Viagra, and NFL refs stealing budweiser. We need a lot of excitement to happen in those precious 3 minutes of game time. We love watching Bonds hit the ball out of the park. We loved the duel between McGuire and Sosa. We love 350lb offensive lineman who can run the 40 in 4.8. We love QB's who can sprint, pitchers who can hit Homeruns, Cyclist who can ride their bike across all of france (well, i guess a lot of people do that. I dont see the attraction), and basketball players who can play a full game and still have the energy to beat up a few fans. There are a few "true" fans out there who will disagree with me, and they are absolutley correct to do so. Steroids has taken away from the noble purity that is "sport". But, real true fans dont make up the collective whole. One of my favorite lines about sports was in the movie "the program". The coach is being scorned by the Dean of the college about players being pushed through "the program" and the Dean says "This is an institue of Higher Learning", to which the coach replies "History books never filled 80,000 seats in the staduim." (i'm sure I botched that up, but, you get the idea). Well, the true lovers of sport cannot make up for the average guy who couldn't tell you the difference between a 3-4 or a 4-3 defense, but loves to scream and when Ray Lewis makes a big "hit". Never mind the fact that the DE missed the first tackle so that Ray had to make the hit. He just likes the "hit". The true fan realizes that Ray Lewis making a tackle 6 years past the line of scrimmage isn't a good thing. But hey, that guy buys tickets and fills the seats. It is because of that guy, that we need to have steroids in sports. Baseball needs homeruns, and lots of them. True fans say it detracts from the game, and it does. But the sport needs to sustain itself with income, and that money comes from joe-schmoe tuning in to see if Bonds blasts one out. I say we regulate steroids. Every team gets, oh lets say, 3 Roids users. That way there is some strategy involved. Ok, so what if you have an offensive lineman that can outrun Michael Vick in a Ferrari, we have a WR that can bench-press a volvo! Ok, maybe that is a bit much. But, sports need to be exciting in a ridiculous way to entice the collective masses. A true fan will leave the ballpark happy that his team won 1-0 in an 11 inning game. The average person will be bored to death, but happy his team won. Man, it would have been a great game if Bonds would have hit one all the way down to San Diego! Ok. Off my soap-box /RANT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 To what end? Do you want athletes falling over dead on the field because their heart literally exploded? These are banned and illegal substances for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanekiwi Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 steriods? of course a player can fullfil his expectations. steriods are a high risk for your health. just train more often and regularly under professional help.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quigley0 Posted December 15, 2004 Author Share Posted December 15, 2004 Boog, I agree with you. I tried to throw some sarcastic overtones into my rant. The rant was more a dig at the type of fan (which is the majority) who just like big hits, baseball games that end 14-12, and players that overshadow the entire team. I think that society wants players that can go full throttle, and leave the game a crippled mess. It is sad. Look at all of the lineman that leave the game for football. Most of them have heart problems, knee problems etc. Once they stop playing, all the weight turns into fat. They were fat to begin with, and now they are just big blubbering piles. I'd be suprised if many lineman (todays linemen) live to be 60 after retiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Ahh..ok. You scared me there. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Veteran Posted December 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted December 15, 2004 I think we relished in those accomplishments under the assumption that they were made naturally. If it was fully known that the only reason these guys are performing on this level is due to illegally altering their bodies, I think the general public would not accept it. I know I wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpaul1104 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I disagree. People will always watch sports, no matter what. The Detroit Lions are a perfect example. In the past 40 years the Lions have 1 playoff win, and have had only 1 "superstar" player, yet every single week todays fans fill the stadium to its gills, while hundreds of other todays fans wait on a list for their shot at season tickets. Its like going to the movies, why would I take my family to the show and spend $30-$40 when I can go to Blockbuster and rent one for $4? Because its something to do. People aren't spending big money to go to a game on a chance they might see a 500 ft homerun, thats what sportscenter is for. If baseball thinks it needs more homeruns they can move the fences in but people are going to watch regardless. It doesn't look like many people stopped going to Cardinal games because McGuire retired. If you need any more proof, check out the attendance at the next Browns homegame. Why would anyone waste their time and money on that? But you know the stadium will be full! All sports has to do is keep giving people something to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Veteran Posted December 16, 2004 Veteran Share Posted December 16, 2004 I disagree. People will always watch sports, no matter what. The Detroit Lions are a perfect example. In the past 40 years the Lions have 1 playoff win, and have had only 1 "superstar" player, yet every single week todays fans fill the stadium to its gills, while hundreds of other todays fans wait on a list for their shot at season tickets. Its like going to the movies, why would I take my family to the show and spend $30-$40 when I can go to Blockbuster and rent one for $4? Because its something to do. People aren't spending big money to go to a game on a chance they might see a 500 ft homerun, thats what sportscenter is for. If baseball thinks it needs more homeruns they can move the fences in but people are going to watch regardless. It doesn't look like many people stopped going to Cardinal games because McGuire retired. If you need any more proof, check out the attendance at the next Browns homegame. Why would anyone waste their time and money on that? But you know the stadium will be full! All sports has to do is keep giving people something to watch. 585110733[/snapback] Detroit fans may keep gogin back becuase even thought their team is horrible, they are doing it on their on steam. I know I'd be upset to learn that the Falcons had been juicing up and that contributed to their good season this year. It would taint it in my eyes and a lot others I think. I'd rather my players fail on their own than succeed by ill means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quigley0 Posted December 16, 2004 Author Share Posted December 16, 2004 Yeah, but you have to understand, if you take the time to belong to a web-forum and post in the sports section, you are probably a real fan. I have been to plenty of redskins/ravens/orioles/caps games, and I can tell you first hand that most of the people there dont have a clue about the sport they are watching. A lot of people do, but the majority dont. Especially the caps. I don't think many people at the game even care about Hockey at all. There are a lot of businessmen there working clients, etc. Pretty sad. I agree with everyone who thinks steroids is bad, and detracts from the game. But, i think sports in general, roids or not, tries to redefine itself to apease the laymen more and more. Remember the juiced ball theory? The "logo" on the ball making it easier to hit? Changing the time pitchers have to pitch, just to please the fan with the attention span of my pet chinchilla? Hockey really wants to change rules to bring scoring up, thus making it more exciting. THe true fans grumble and complain, and most of these ideas get canned. But, the league/owners feel that the more scoring, the more the average person will want to attend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quigley0 Posted December 16, 2004 Author Share Posted December 16, 2004 Also, look at Soccer. Soccer is like the biggest sport in the world, but not here in the US. Why? I think it is because our average fan doesn't have the attention span to sit through a game, and the final score be 1-0. We need scoring, and lots of it! [EDIT] Sorry for the double post. I guess i should have just added it to the top [/EDIT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpaul1104 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Yeah, but you have to understand, if you take the time to belong to a web-forum and post in the sports section, you are probably a real fan. I have been to plenty of redskins/ravens/orioles/caps games, and I can tell you first hand that most of the people there dont have a clue about the sport they are watching. A lot of people do, but the majority dont. Especially the caps. I don't think many people at the game even care about Hockey at all. There are a lot of businessmen there working clients, etc. Pretty sad.I agree with everyone who thinks steroids is bad, and detracts from the game. But, i think sports in general, roids or not, tries to redefine itself to apease the laymen more and more. Remember the juiced ball theory? The "logo" on the ball making it easier to hit? Changing the time pitchers have to pitch, just to please the fan with the attention span of my pet chinchilla? Hockey really wants to change rules to bring scoring up, thus making it more exciting. THe true fans grumble and complain, and most of these ideas get canned. But, the league/owners feel that the more scoring, the more the average person will want to attend. 585111089[/snapback] I agree with everything you are saying in your posts. But your topic says "steroids rant-sports needs them" That is what I disagree with. True fans will always watch because they care. Casual fans will always watch because sports are marketed well enough to keep their intrest. And people in general will always watch because it provides them decent entertainment. Those 3 groups of people will keep stadiums full and tv contracts huge forever! Throw in the Vegas factor and sports are a guarenteed gold mine no matter what! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Also, look at Soccer. Soccer is like the biggest sport in the world, but not here in the US. Why? I think it is because our average fan doesn't have the attention span to sit through a game, and the final score be 1-0. We need scoring, and lots of it! 585111110[/snapback] I personally believe it's because it's dull as all get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quigley0 Posted December 17, 2004 Author Share Posted December 17, 2004 I personally believe it's because it's dull as all get out. I second that! Ok, so maybe the title was poorly done. I guess sports doesn't need steriods, and as i am looking at it, i am not even sure if I used proper english in the title! :) It is more like why does Bob from accounting prefer that players use steroids? Bob doesn't even realize that he wants it. You tell him Bonds was on Roids, and he'll say that it ruins the game, but at the same time he'll start to wonder where all of the 14-12 baseball scores went. I guess I am just angry. Angry at Bob for making Barry take steroids. Haha, or, maybe all of this is a bit of a stretch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Sarcasm or not, that's just stupid reasoning. Sarcasm's normally just a tid bit more intelligent than that ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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