Firefox 1.5 Bug Report

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Crippled OpenGL for Windows Vista

I just found out from beyond3d.com that the future of OpenGL on Windows Vista seems very bleak ? specifically, with Vista, OpenGL will be implemented on top of DirectX9, and will be a vanilla OpenGL 1.4 (no extensions, including 1.5/2.0 ARB extensions, no new hardware features until Microsoft says so). Ignoring the feature loss, this is probably a performance loss of up to 50%. It apparently is possible to get a full OpenGL ICD under Vista, but doing so requires disabling the Aero eyecandy UI. So your choices are full OpenGL, but a Windows 2000 desktop, or crippled wrapped OpenGL and Aero.

This not only sucks for OpenGL which has always been at best a second-class citizen on Windows, but it sucks for Mozilla, since our future hardware acceleration strategy has been based on cairo/glitz/OpenGL. It?s feasable to do a Direct3D back-end for cairo at the same layer as glitz, but we were hoping to not have to go that route.

OpenGL is currently the only option for cross-platform graphics; by slowly crippling it in this manner, Microsoft is forcing developers to either move solely to DirectX, or to maintain separate OpenGL and DirectX code paths. Unfortunately, I can see most developers choosing to just drop OpenGL.

There?s more information on the thread on the opengl.org forums.

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----------------------------Branch for 1.8 is happening right nowow after this happens the branch builds will be built for 1.5 while the trunk builds will be ongoing development for 2.0 release. The trunk will get all the new features, risky bug fixes, all new rendering engine, performance tweaks and a whole lotta other things.

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The branch is complete and the tree is now re-opened for checkins!!! to tell the difference between trunk and branch builds the trunk will have 1.9a1 in the version id and branch will be 1.8b4.

I may start a thread to follow the development towards 2.0 but not sure yet because I do not want to confuse users here between the branch and trunk versions.

just remember if you want stabilty download the branch version, if you want bleeding edge, new features, lots of bug fixes download the trunk. There is lots of risk though for running trunk versions...so use at your own risk!

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The branch is complete and the tree is now re-opened for checkins!!! to tell the difference between trunk and branch builds the trunk will have 1.9a1 in the version id and branch will be 1.8b4.

I may start a thread to follow the development towards 2.0 but not sure yet because I do not want to confuse users here between the branch and  trunk versions.

just remember if you want stabilty download the branch version, if you want bleeding edge, new features, lots of bug fixes download the trunk. There is lots of risk though for running trunk versions...so use at your own risk!

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I am confused. The trunk 12-Aug-2005 was 1.8b4 and the 13-Aug-2005 is 1.9a1 The thing that is cunfusing me is I go to the FTP site download that days trunk look at the time and day on it. Go back later and they rolled back to another time or day. So how do I know I am getting the latest trunk? This is the place I go for the trunk Link. Am I going to the proper place?

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These two topics both deal with Firefox 2.0 and not firefox 1.5.

The road to Firefox 2.0

Just to let you all know, I've started the graph for the road to 2.0. I know its very, very early but the blocking flags are there so I figured I'd start tracking the bugs. I won't start a thread for it until after 1.5 release so as to not confuse people so you guys will just have to check the link below. Right now I just have the graph for 1.9a1 since that will be the first release towards 2.0

Road to Firefox 2.0

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Future graphcis of Mozilla Products

If you haven't heard by now, I was hired by Mozilla Foundation a month and a half ago to work on the new graphics platform. Since then a lot of progress has been made by Vlad and I. We're using Cairo (through Thebes) for drawing and now on all paltforms. On Windows, I'm using all new Uniscribe handling complex scripts when drawing text and then using cairo to draw. There are quite a few bugs (fonts aren't always bold when they should be, sizes aren't always right, clipping is sometimes bugged, etc). Even with the various font bugs, the things are fairly usable.

Vlad and I are planning to start landing our various changes on to the trunk this week (not built by default) so you can do your own builds, but until then I've got a Windows build you can try here:

firefox-1.0+.en-US.win32-ng.zip

Vlad says he is going to post a Linux build soon (with Glitz support!)

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In about a week the new graphics builds will start to be automatic and will end up in this folder http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/fir...al/newgraphics/ after some stability issue are worked out, the new engine will land on the trunk builds for 2.0. Right now the double buffering is turned off and so is the native XP ui but thats just until performance issues are worked out. Other then that and the font issues mentioned above the new engine feels and looks great and is just a little slower right now until the fore mentioned bugs are ironed out.

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Update to last post dealing with new graphics engine for 2.0

I've posted a new Windows build here. It is mostly the same as the one I posted yesterday, except with native theme support so it doesn't look like crap anymore. Fonts, clipping, flashing, etc are still busted though.

One of the (few) improvements in the new graphics builds is much better image scaling. Take these two screenshots of a Penny Arcade comic scaled to fit the size of my browser as an example: old and new

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Just to let you all know, I am now maintaining the 'The road towards Firefox 2.0 (Bug Report)' but only on my website until 1.5 is released. I'm doing this to try and not confuse people thinking 2.0 is coming soon or whatever. Once 1.5 is released I will once again maintain threads on both neowin and mozillazine. All the information about 2.0 should keep you guys busy on this very boring Sunday evening...and check out the other parts of my site while your there.

The road towards Firefox 2.0 (Bug Report)

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no problem, I just hope that people actually read my newer posts. I feel like they look at the first page and don't feel like reading the rest and they don't know about all the other info since no one posts replying about any of the new stuff. but oh well.

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Is Firefox ever going to make RSS feeds look "cool" like IE7 and Safari do? I hate with a passion the method Firefox does RSS feeds because links give little to no info about the actual story itself.

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There is an extension that makes it better. It's called Sage. I used it for a while and you can even make your own Style sheets for the feeds. I know you probably mean built in, but I thought I'd give you that info anyway. I don't use it anymore, because Firefox uses more CPU cycles with RSS feeds (or at least use to).

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Firefox 1.5 beta locked down last night

We hope to have all the changes for 1.5 beta 1 landed by this evening <i>(last night)</i> so that tomorrow morning's builds will be our first candidates for the beta. We'll spend the day testing the builds and if all goes well we'll have a release by Thursday. If we find problems, we'll try to take low-risk fixes, and spin up a new round of builds so that we can hold to the Thursday release plan.

As soon as we've got Firefox 1.5 beta 1 out the door, we'll start accepting changes for the second beta which is due the first week of October.

Source: Asa Dotzler's Blog

Do not think that because today's builds are 1.5 beta just because the official branding and version numbers have changed. This is done ahead of time to test to make sure that changing those things don't break anything. Tomorrow's build should be the final for beta 1. I will post tomorrow with more info.

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Some major ugly changes to the UI were checked in today please read about it here and take my poll.

Please try out todays nightly or the beta 1 tomorrow before responding to the changes. Thanks

EDIT: If you guys don't feel like reading through. Basically changes were done to the menu and breaks the appearence of the windows classic theme on any OS using Windows Classic Theme.

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Some major ugly changes to the UI were checked in today please read about it here and take my poll.

Please try out todays nightly or the beta 1 tomorrow before responding to the changes. Thanks

EDIT: If you guys don't feel like reading through. Basically changes were done to the menu and breaks the appearence of the windows classic theme on any OS using Windows Classic Theme.

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I'm actually glad that this has happened.

It means whenever I'm using a "theme" whether it's Windowblinds or StyleXP, that FF will now match everything else, as opposed to being nothing like it.

I'd also "assume" that by doing this, there are no extra GDI stuff inside FF that overwrites the system GDI commands, which as far as I can see would..

a) make it running slightly quicker

b) make it now quite as big

All good, if you ask me :-)

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Hey supernova_00, can you post some screenshots of both ways so we can see the difference? The only real difference I see is a little extra spacing. Anything else that I'm missing??

I like things as compact as I can get them, but this doesn't appear to be big difference as far as I can tell.

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^ That is a nightly build. Beta 1 will be released tomorrow, keep an eye on mozilla.org and/or mozillazine.org front pages for links when the beta 1 is avaiable.

@ IceDogg: I'll post later tonight since I'm at work right now.

@ Stew Gilray: this is not a patch for native theme rendering which you describe, its merely a half-assed hack to band-aid the real bug, which is not supporting native theme rendering.

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