Browser Speed Comparisons

[crayolakidd]

OK...I've read all the rants about speed issues between the two browsers, but what about security?? Firefox is leaving Opera for dead in that regard...as for it's camparing to IE, we can just inset "laugh" here!!

Can I back that up?? Well leaving aside the online propaganda that seems to fly in either direction depending on the biases of the individual critic, I refer to advice I was given in person. I recently spent a few thousand getting my new PC built and being concerned about security asked around about which is the most secure browser - Firefox kept getting the recomendations. As for Opera, a couple simply laughed (and yes I am refering to the latest version!!), one of those being an electronic securities company, so I think they might count as "being in the know" don't you??

As for speed, I've had little to do with Opera personally, but I figure why pay for a browser when the Firefox browser I have works plenty fast for me.

[Jimny]

Obviously, the person who wrote this does not know about the "about:config" settings in Firefox.

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What does that have to do with anything? Obviously you don't know what you're talking about.

[vcv]

OK...I've read all the rants about speed issues between the two browsers, but what about security?? Firefox is leaving Opera for dead in that regard...as for it's camparing to IE, we can just inset "laugh" here!!

Can I back that up?? Well leaving aside the online propaganda that seems to fly in either direction depending on the biases of the individual critic, I refer to advice I was given in person. I recently spent a few thousand getting my new PC built and being concerned about security asked around about which is the most secure browser - Firefox kept getting the recomendations. As for Opera, a couple simply laughed (and yes I am refering to the latest version!!), one of those being an electronic securities company, so I think they might count as "being in the know" don't you??

As for speed, I've had little to do with Opera personally, but I figure why pay for a browser when the Firefox browser I have works plenty fast for me.

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Keep your FUD out of here kiddo. Opera is NOT insecure. Opera always has been and is VERY secure. Whoever you were speaking with has no clue what they are talking about.

If you really want to take this ridiculous claim any further, please provide tangible evidence.

P.S. I have written security auditing software in the past and will be in the future. I do know a little about security.

[Jimny]

Opera is not insecure. It was a claim he made based on 'what he heard', not anything remotely scientific.

[vcv]

Opera is not insecure.  It was a claim he made based on 'what he heard', not anything remotely scientific.

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I know :) I don't expect him to reply either. If he does, he will just be embarassing himself.

[Jimny]

I just noticed the picture chode posted. It's disgusting, take it down please.

[vcv]

I just noticed the picture chode posted.  It's disgusting, take it down please.

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It appears the server its hosted on disabled hotlinking and serves that image instead. Not Chode's fault.

[IceDogg]

I said an article that wasn't biased in fanboyism. Straight from the quoted url:

Removed pic

Any credentials this individual had went right out the window with one foul use of Photoshop  :rolleyes:

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Is that a pic or you?

[megamanXplosion]

what about security?? Firefox is leaving Opera for dead in that regard

huh? I fail to see how you could make a judgement like that about Opera.

Secunia - Opera 7.x

Secunia - Firefox 1.x

There are 3 "vulnerabilities" mentioned to be "unpatched" on the Opera page. I have just looked at all three and only one (IDN) of them is still a problem with the 8.0 beta and it was only reported a week ago, and it's also a problem in Firefox. Now, take a look at the Firefox page and you'll see that there are 7 which remain unpatched. I haven't looked at all of them, but I verified that the "Dialog Overlapping Weakness" still exists (therefore Mozilla already has 2 verified unpatched security problems in comparison with Opera's 1) and I'm sure that a few more issues still exist.

Let's also not forget that Spybot Search & Destroy utilizes some of the built-in security features inside Opera (the ability to ignore particular plugins when it loads up; this prevents malicious plugins from being initialized so they can be safely cleaned off the system.) Firefox users are more likely to execute malicious plugins than Opera users are.

Trying to say that Opera suffers security-wise would be a mistake. It's currently the most secure browser available :yes:

[vcv]

huh? I fail to see how you could make a judgement like that about Opera.

Secunia - Opera 7.x

Secunia - Firefox 1.x

There are 3 "vulnerabilities" mentioned to be "unpatched" on the Opera page. I have just looked at all three and only one (IDN) of them is still a problem with the 8.0 beta and it was only reported a week ago, and it's also a problem in Firefox. Now, take a look at the Firefox page and you'll see that there are 7 which remain unpatched. I haven't looked at all of them, but I verified that the "Dialog Overlapping Weakness" still exists (therefore Mozilla already has 2 verified unpatched security problems in comparison with Opera's 1) and I'm sure that a few more issues still exist.

Let's also not forget that Spybot Search & Destroy utilizes some of the built-in security features inside Opera (the ability to ignore particular plugins when it loads up; this prevents malicious plugins from being initialized so they can be safely cleaned off the system.) Firefox users are more likely to execute malicious plugins than Opera users are.

Trying to say that Opera suffers security-wise would be a mistake. It's currently the most secure browser available :yes:

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Don't forget that Firefox 1.x has been out since nov 2004 and Opera has been out since May 2003. Add Firefox 0.x into the mix and you have 29 total vulns in under a year.

[g-n-t]

It appears the server its hosted on disabled hotlinking and serves that image instead.  Not Chode's fault.

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lmao. its still nasty.

[IceDogg]

Ah, well that would explain it. Sry Chode

[mswarts]

There's more to a browser than speed. Firefox is the best browser for Windows if you value standard compliance and open source flexibility and security. Opera is very fast - there is no doubt about it, and it looks nice too, but it isn't my browser, and I'm not wrong and neither are Opera users. I tried Opera 8 beta recently btw, and it is pretty nice and is getting closer to complete standard-compliance. Still, I'm not a believer in security by obscurity.

[Chode]

WTF! Ok, I'm letting staff know :x

On the same topic, funniest caption ever attributed to that image:

Any credentials this individual had went right out the window with one foul use of Photoshop

[vcv]

There's more to a browser than speed.  Firefox is the best browser for Windows if you value standard compliance and open source flexibility and security.  Opera is very fast - there is no doubt about it, and it looks nice too, but it isn't my browser, and I'm not wrong and neither are Opera users.  I tried Opera 8 beta recently btw, and it is pretty nice and is getting closer to complete standard-compliance.  Still, I'm not a believer in security by obscurity.

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Sigh. Neither Mozilla or Opera is COMPLETELY standard-compliant. But both are pretty on par, and I'd like to see you prove otherwise.

And obscurity doesn't seem to affect IT's insecurity, why would it affect Operas?

[mswarts]

Open Source software is open for all to see. If it could be exploited, it would be. Open source software is not nearly as vulnerable to surprise exploits. Opera is a good browser and is very, very close to web-standards. I would use it except, it is a selling product, it crams too much browser-unrelated stuff into its package (like mail), it is not open-source, and it doesn't work with many of the Internet's services. Firefox doesn't work with all, admittedly, but it works with many more. Eveng Google doesn't make things work in Opera always...

Still, I started using Opera at version 6, and I've never disliked it - I just choose Firefox, because it is just different in a way that I like. I feel I have a good, rough analogy based on personal experiences:

Google is to Firefox as Yahoo! is to Opera as IE is to MSN.com (Safari is like Google too)

I use Google, because my primary Internet function is to search. My father uses Yahoo, because he wants lots of features like Sports and Games at his disposal. I can see why people use Yahoo - it is a good service, and they can generally see why I use Google. Neither are better; they're just different. MSN.com offers NO advantages over Yahoo! just like Internet Explorer offers NO advantages over Opera, and in both cases the m$ product is crappy, but people still use it. Google and Yahoo have different qualities that give them each a place on the web, just like Firefox and Opera. The only one that does not belong is MSN.com, and transitively IE.

[vcv]

Google uses NON-STANDARD stuff, that's why.

[Chode]

Google uses NON-STANDARD stuff, that's why.

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Very poor form for Google, too, considering that today it is them who are "opening the web" and yet they can't be W3C compliant :rolleyes:

[Jimny]

Google uses NON-STANDARD stuff, that's why.

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What does google use thats non-standard?

[vcv]

What does google use thats non-standard?

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XMLHTTPRequest

[Techno_Funky]

Maybe you didnt read his post

hmmm quote " no way i have tried opera,maxthon,firefox and I.E " unquote

he hasnt tried A,B,C,D, but thinks E (firefox) is faster just because. doesnt make any sense.

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oh yess i did i would surely post what i have actually done

not here to increase my post count

thats what i experienced on my system on my net connection

i found FF the fastest

i never meant that iam against those results

nor did i meant i did not use those proggies

ahhh my bad should have made the sentence much elaborate

opera simply drags I.E and Max. are like ok

but somehow not as fast as FF thats what i experienced

thats all

no need to have a fight over this :D

[Nebuchadnezzar]

XMLHTTPRequest

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Recently much more than that with google maps.

[d_ralphie]

Open Source software is open for all to see.

oh come on! don't tell me that you are one of these open source fanatics! do you really think joe blow is going to sit down and read through the source code of a program?

do you know who most vulnerabilities are found? by testing the compiled program, not by someone else reading the source code!

If it could be exploited, it would be.

nope. it isn't as widely used, so there's too much work for too little benefit to do it.

Open source software is not nearly as vulnerable to surprise exploits.

there are lots of security holes in open source software. what makes you think otherwise? firefox even has more open vulnerabilities than opera!

Opera is a good browser and is very, very close to web-standards.  I would use it except, it is a selling product, it crams too much browser-unrelated stuff into its package (like mail)

and it's still smaller, faster, and better than firefox. tried opera 8?

[d_ralphie]

Recently much more than that with google maps.

much more? such as?

the only think i'm aware of is xslt, which should be done server-side anyway, so as not to burden the client.

[moogleman]

Opera is a good browser and is very, very close to web-standards.  I would use it except, it is a selling product, it crams too much browser-unrelated stuff into its package (like mail),  it is not open-source, and it doesn't work with many of the Internet's services.  Firefox doesn't work with all, admittedly, but it works with many more.  Eveng Google doesn't make things work in Opera always...

I always wonder why people complain that there are too many features in Opera (like Mail and IRC), but these things hardly take up any space, and can be disabled easily. And one reason Opera doesn't work with all Internet services is because they tend to use non-standard scripts. It's because Opera strictly follows most of W3C's standards (Firefox is slightly more relaxed).