Browser Speed Comparisons

[Jimny]

Well, he's right in a way but his reasoning is totally stupid. Emacs had it first, and saying that because Opera was the first browser to have it (which I'm not sure about, mozilla had it since 1.2a) that it is their invention is just rediculous. Switching it from a text editor to a web browser does in no way mean it's "invented by opera" and does not qualify as "yet another opera invention" but rather as "yet another thing that opera adapted from previous software that misinformed opera fanatics such as worbd falsely claim that opera invented". Opera wasn't even the first browser with it, lynx has it also.

[oneone]

Being able to drag toolbar items whever I want them, for example being able to put my bookmarks toobar next to my menu items.

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Yeah, that's one nice customization about FF that I like. However, how about being able to put the status bar onto any toolbar so that it's not taking as much space as an individual toolbar?

[mircleman]

http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2004/12...xplorer_has.htm

enough said

[ZZOOzzoo]

http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2004/12...xplorer_has.htm

enough said

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That is one of the most stupid article I've ever read.

Enough said.

[Jimny]

Yeah, that's one nice customization about FF that I like. However, how about being able to put the status bar onto any toolbar so that it's not taking as much space as an individual toolbar?

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Yeah, thats a definite benefit of Opera.

That is one of the most stupid article I've ever read.

Enough said.

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Obviously he failed arithmetic, because he things that since he has measured Internet Explorer usage at 70% that it has dropped 30%, despite the fact that he said it was 91% a year ago. In case he ever reads this post, 91 - 70 = 21.

[vcv]

Well I'll agree with that Jimny. But Opera did have it before Mozilla, trust me :p

/ Proud Opera user since 3.x

[mircleman]

I swear you guys are amazing show you current facts and once again disregard and ignore or call fake...( now i see why I.E. is losing users. )

[Jimny]

I swear you guys are amazing show you  current facts and once again disregard and ignore or call fake...( now i see why I.E. is losing users. )

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Nobody called that article you posted fake, if thats what you're talking about, and I didn't ignore it, I had just seen it before. I think joseph0324 called that article stupid because everybody assumes that anything you say is automatically stupid unless you clearly demonstrate otherwise.

[mircleman]

AS far as joseph thinking im stupid I have'nt a care about him, he's a little flea on a big dog. my point was that is a very well respected security and news site. and that as much as fans of I.e. hate it. the browser is losing market share and there is a reason it is. If the fans will admit that and try to understand why it is, THEN AND ONLY THEN will they build a better browser that everyone can use and love . :)

[vcv]

Everyone knows it's losing market share. But we all also know that firefox does NOT have 20% market share at this point. If the article claims this, it's hard to take much else of it seriously.

[g-n-t]

im using opera now in linux.

speed-slower. honestly

looks-ugly. the colors are pretty bad and the ads look horrible.

features-IRC is cool.

but i cant use gmail, the interface is pretty cluttered(yes, i did make it better to the best of my abilities) and i really dont see the advantages in it.

[mircleman]

The data is collected both through traditional server logs complemented by log analysis software, as well as through a live tracking and traffic monitoring system powered by WebSideStory HitBox Professional.

if you read the story this is where her stats came from can you debate those stats? im not disagreeing just asking.

[vcv]

The stats don't represent the whole internet though. I GUARANTEE you firefox does not have 20% market-share. 10% MAYBE, but I doubt even that much yet. I can debate those stats because there is nothing to show that it's a fair representation of the whole internet.

[mircleman]

The data I am referencing is from my own mini-network of English-written Web sites, who doesn't target specifically a US-based audience but provide news and information to readers from all parts of the world. The Good mini-publishing network is in fact comprised of 10 Web sites that collectively reach nearly 200,000 unique visitors per month and serve over 500,000 page views (Dec. 2004).

Being the sites and the authors in my publishing network not US-based and actively targeting international readers from all parts of the world, my own statistics offer a humble alternative peek at the browser market with a likely less US-centric slant on what are the actual trends taking place on the Internet.

The data is collected both through traditional server logs complemented by log analysis software, as well as through a live tracking and traffic monitoring system powered by WebSideStory HitBox Professional.

Here is what my data says:

* Mozilla FireFox now controls by itself over 20% of the world browser market share, with Opera (2%), Netscape (8%) and Safari (1.2%) being the other browsers with some significant market share.

* FireFox growth has been as steady as IE rapid demise, with the new browser from the Mozilla foundation gaining most of those 20 percentage points just in the last 3 months. Pretty impressive.

* Internet Explorer version 6 alone has now less than 60% of the world browser market share and it keeps loosing percentage points at a phenomenal rate.

ok thats all the evidence I have lol If that dont get it I loose lol

[vcv]

im using opera now in linux.

speed-slower. honestly

looks-ugly. the colors are pretty bad and the ads look horrible.

features-IRC is cool.

but i cant use gmail, the interface is pretty cluttered(yes, i did make it better to the best of my abilities) and i really dont see the advantages in it.

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Well I'm sorry to here that.

My experience with it on linux:

- Faster than firefox

- Looks definately need improvement

- Gmail works fine

- Interface easy to customize and make not "cluttered". Though default interface was not cluttered either.

[vcv]

You're missing the point mircleman. You can't take the stats from a few markets, a few sites, or a few anything and call it a fair representation. The servers you took the stats from could be more geek-oriented for all we know.

Every other site I have seen has shown Firefox at 5% market-share or so, Why would I believe this single site that says 20%?

[mircleman]

ok

[g-n-t]

Well I'm sorry to here that.

My experience with it on linux:

- Faster than firefox

- Looks definately need improvement

- Gmail works fine

- Interface easy to customize and make not "cluttered".  Though default interface was not cluttered either.

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how do you use gmail?

as for the clutter,

i have the main menu on top, then i have the ads, then the tab bar and then teh nav bar. in firefox, i only had one bar the size of the nav bar and a tab bar that was about 3/4 the size of operas.

but dont get me wrong, there are many things i like about it, but...

im not sure, on the fence :p

[vcv]

I clicked "sign in anyways"..

edit: erm.. didn't notice what was in the screen-shot. :whistle:

[g-n-t]

i just get a blank screen...

[mircleman]

if they ever go public im gonna get me one of those g-mail accounts. they look pretty sweet I might like it better then outlook 2003

[vcv]

i just get a blank screen...

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You must have screwed the install up or something. Opera 7.60 previews and 8.0 beta have had GMail support for quite a few months now.

[Jimny]

The stats don't represent the whole internet though.  I GUARANTEE you firefox does not have 20% market-share.  10% MAYBE, but I doubt even that much yet.  I can debate those stats because there is nothing to show that it's a fair representation of the whole internet.

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If you read the article you would have noticed that the author is aware that the stats don't represent the entire internet. Obviously one site isn't a fair representation of the whole internet. Nobody said that firefox has 20% of the entire market share. You can't debate his site's stats, because you have no idea how they are collected. All the article was saying is that the stats on his site represent a general trend, which shows that IE's percentage is dropping.

[vcv]

If you read the article you would have noticed that the author is aware that the stats don't represent the entire internet. Obviously one site isn't a fair representation of the whole internet. Nobody said that firefox has 20% of the entire market share.

* Mozilla FireFox now controls by itself over 20% of the world browser market share, with Opera (2%), Netscape (8%) and Safari (1.2%) being the other browsers with some significant market share.

Internet Explorer controls slightly more than 70% of the browser market,

Mozilla FireFox now controls by itself over 20% of the browser market,,

You can't debate his site's stats, because you have no idea how they are collected.

The data I am referencing is from my own mini-network of English-written Web sites, who doesn't target specifically a US-based audience but provide news and information to readers from all parts of the world. The Good mini-publishing network is in fact comprised of 10 Web sites that collectively reach nearly 200,000 unique visitors per month and serve over 500,000 page views (Dec. 2004).

[Dobee]

Opera's faster cause it has years of development

Firefox is only Version 1