Browser Speed Comparisons

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is this to anyone's suprise??

Firefox --> lot's of features

Opera --> Fast

[vcv]

Firefox --> lot's of features

Erm.. what? I can understand extensions and all.. but Opera tends to be the one that has "lots of features".

[Elliott]

Very poor form for Google, too, considering that today it is them who are "opening the web" and yet they can't be W3C compliant  :rolleyes:

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Hah, that's funny. You're getting on Google's case just because Opera 7.x doesn't support something that's basically now a standard since pretty much every browser has support for it. W3C standards are important, but sometimes you just have to give way to popularity. Besides, XMLHTTPRequest isn't that bad, unlike some of Trident's other "standards."

[ZZOOzzoo]

is this to anyone's suprise??

Firefox --> lot's of features

Opera --> Fast

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Of course it's a surprise. :wacko:

[vcv]

Hah, that's funny. You're getting on Google's case just because Opera 7.x doesn't support something that's basically now a standard since pretty much every browser has support for it. W3C standards are important, but sometimes you just have to give way to popularity. Besides, XMLHTTPRequest isn't that bad, unlike some of Trident's other "standards."

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And it's only popular because of Google. In response, Opera implemented it. I don't really see the problem here.

Google uses non-standard code which Opera doesn't support (and rightfully so), it gains popularity, Opera supports it.

[Jimny]

oh yess i did i would surely post what i have actually done

not here to increase my post count

thats what i experienced on my system on my net connection

i found FF the fastest

i never meant that iam against those results

nor did i meant i did not use those proggies

ahhh my bad should have made the sentence much elaborate

opera simply drags I.E and Max. are like ok

but somehow not as fast as FF thats what i experienced

thats all

no need to have a fight over this :D

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Stop talking please. You're not making sense. Don't mean to be harsh :).

And one reason Opera doesn't work with all Internet services is because they tend to use non-standard scripts. It's because Opera strictly follows most of W3C's standards (Firefox is slightly more relaxed).

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Standards are important, and browser and web developers should strive to support them. However, in the real world, the bottom line is whether or not the the browser you're using can correctly display the website you're viewing. If it can't, it's most likely the browser thats gonna suffer.

[russellc]

i must keep an open mind. i've finally given opera another try...hopefully itll be closely as customizable as firefox was :( lol

EDIT: opera's missing lots of features from firefox...although it is fast and speedy..firefox's find when you type, and addressbar searching (google search from address bar with "google searchitem" as well as other site searches), and ease of customization (i'm sure there are more) are pretty much necessities on my regular browsing..i also like the gecko engine lol...ram and speed issues arent much of the matter now, its just the feature list that matters...i'm sure most of us have computers with decent ram and processor speeds to run all browsers at relatively the same speed

Edited February 18, 2005 by russellc

[vcv]

Opera has find when you type. Hit / or . and start typing.

Addressbar searching: type "g search terms"

Opera is VERY customizable, so i dont know where that is from.

[Help]

Erm.. what?  I can understand extensions and all.. but Opera tends to be the one that has "lots of features".

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You can't get these features in Opera.

[vcv]

touche. Though I'm not sure why you'd want a mp3 controller in your web browser. I personally just use global hotkeys :)

As for WebDeveloper, you can get a similar setup in Opera actually. Do a google search :)

You can't get these features in Firefox.

[ZZOOzzoo]

You can't get these features in Opera.

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I never knew forecasting and music player are things that enhance its ability as a browser.

That is like saying some anti-spyware software is better than the others because it pays movie.

Also, why the hell would Opera need Gmail notifier when it has mail feature? You can just use POP3.

[Help]

I never knew forecasting and music player are things that enhance its ability as a browser.

That is like saying some anti-spyware software is better than the others because it pays movie.

Also, why the hell would Opera need Gmail notifier when it has mail feature? You can just use POP3.

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It's all about INTERGRATION buddy, and that it's totally RELEVANT. And anti-spyware software that pays movies, certainly have intergration, but that is definitly not relevant, becuase most anti-spyware software works as a background service and people don't usually spend a lot of time interacting with it. FoxyTunes in the other hand is because most computer users listen to music on their personal computers pretty much all the time (at least for the ones who do), and people who surf the web usually spend a lot of time on the web, therefore it is relavant to intergrate this feature into firefox.

Gmail Notifier. Thanks for the pop3 access and all that, but no thanks. May I remind you that one of the unique things about Gmail is the Visual interface (very powerful and includes search tool on top of everypage), and that Gmail is only for free because of Ads (in fact it's 50% of Google's total revenue), without them, Gmail might stop POP3 service, in which case, there is no need for opera's mail feature. (of course, I am just speculating, there are other alternatives, such as Gmail becoming a pay-service)

I never knew forecasting and music player are things that enhance its ability as a browser.

True. But, what really matters here is the user experince with the browser, things like music player controllers, and weather forcast dialogs makes the overall user experince of a browser that much better. It's like having a built-in GPS w/ a 5 inch LCD in your car, sure the GPS or the LCD won't actually increase the perforance of your car, but it will certainly create a positive user experince, which is what really matters.

[vcv]

But you can just get these things outside of the browser.

You can attach winamp to your active window titlebar easily. You can use many different weather applications. And really, who needs to know the weather all the time?

It's slightly relevant, but not that much.

[worbd]

And one reason Opera doesn't work with all Internet services is because they tend to use non-standard scripts. It's because Opera strictly follows most of W3C's standards (Firefox is slightly more relaxed).

No, the reason is that sites block Opera on purpose. Opera strictly follows proper standards, but it also supports lots of non-standard extensions. It is a myth that Opera only renders standards compliant pages. That myth needs to die.

Hah, that's funny. You're getting on Google's case just because Opera 7.x doesn't support something that's basically now a standard since pretty much every browser has support for it. W3C standards are important, but sometimes you just have to give way to popularity. Besides, XMLHTTPRequest isn't that bad, unlike some of Trident's other "standards."

And Opera added support for the non-standard XMLHttpRequest. Now Google decided to use the non-standard XSLTProcessor for Google Maps, and they decided to use client-side XSLT, which basically screws it up for anyone with a slower system (especially mobile phones - you know, the kind of people that would actually need a map. But I guess Google doesn't give a damn about mobiles).

opera's missing lots of features from firefox...

Extensions aren't features in Firefox.

firefox's find when you type

It's really called "inline find", and was invented by Opera! :) Well, in browsers anyway.

and addressbar searching (google search from address bar with "google searchitem" as well as other site searches)

Yet another Opera invention, so Opera has this one, too!

So it seems that the Firefox features you are bragging about are not only in Opera, they were invented by Opera too!! :D

How ironic.

and ease of customization

What is "ease of customization"? Having to restart the browser when changing skins? LOL! :D

ram and speed issues arent much of the matter now, its just the feature list that matters...

Indeed, and Opera has lots more features built in, and they are better integrated and polished than what extensions can achieve.

You can't get these features in Opera.

Sure you can.

- Forecast: Easy with a panel.

- FoxyTunes: I'm controlling Winamp from Opera's UI as we speak.

- Gmail notifier: Yep, I've got that. Google's own notifier works fantastically! :)

- Web dev tools: Opera's Web Developer Toolbar absolutely kills Firefox's

[drgrudge]

And talking about speed and fastest browser, opera crawls with Gmail...

Right from opening up the inbox to sending mails to reading mails, it's pain to use opera.

[Ridgeburner]

I dont like gettin caught up in all the numbers. I base my browser choice (firefox) on the time it takes from when I push ENTER on the keyboard until the entire page is done loading and on my screen. Firefox, in my experience, is still the fastest of all of them.

That is all

[Chode]

I dont like gettin caught up in all the numbers. I base my browser choice (firefox) on the time it takes from when I push ENTER on the keyboard until the entire page is done loading and on my screen. Firefox, in my experience, is still the fastest of all of them.

That is all

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[Ridgeburner]

OffTopic: Love your Ava/Sig

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Thanks :D Katie Holmes has amazing eyes

[worbd]

And talking about speed and fastest browser, opera crawls with Gmail...

Right from opening up the inbox to sending mails to reading mails, it's pain to use opera.

That could have something to do with most Google site apparently discriminating against Opera, and not gzipping the page, while Firefox and IE get a compressed version.

So naturally, it takes longer if Opera has significantly more data to download.

You can hardly blame Opera for Google discriminating against it...

[Zilos]

That could have something to do with most Google site apparently discriminating against Opera, and not gzipping the page, while Firefox and IE get a compressed version.

So naturally, it takes longer if Opera has significantly more data to download.

You can hardly blame Opera for Google discriminating against it...

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Or can you? :sleep:

[drgrudge]

^ It doesn't have to do with more data or stuffs like that...

Just after signing in takes more time than FF/Maxthon.

I dont blame opera, but i will have to look for alternatives it's not working on fine with me..

[worbd]

^ It doesn't have to do with more data or stuffs like that...

Just after signing in takes more time than FF/Maxthon.

I dont blame opera, but i will have to look for alternatives it's not working on fine with me..

Um, did you read what I wrote? :)

If Google doesn't compress the data, then Opera will have to download more, which means that it takes longer for everything to arrive. Just about every time you do something in Gmail it downloads something. If that data is compressed when sent to Firefox and IE, but not when sent to Opera, then it will of course take longer to download for Opera users.

[vcv]

worbd is right in this case.

Google sends IE and Mozilla gzip compressed pages for all of its services, and Opera normal pages. You can test this useful by going to any of its sites and viewing the info panel in Opera. Identify as Opera, then IE or Mozilla.

[Jimny]

Extensions aren't features in Firefox.

But the ability to add extensions is.

It's really called "inline find", and was invented by Opera! :) Well, in browsers anyway.  Yet another Opera invention, so Opera has this one, too!

Actually you're wrong.

So it seems that the Firefox features you are bragging about are not only in Opera, they were invented by Opera too!! :D

Seems like you have no clue what you're talking about.

How ironic.

Yes.

What is "ease of customization"?

Being able to drag toolbar items whever I want them, for example being able to put my bookmarks toobar next to my menu items.

Please, before you say something, make sure that you know what you are talking about. Your fanaticism makes every opera user look like an ######.

[vcv]

Actually you're wrong.

How is he wrong on that? Opera at least had it before FF or any other browser that I know of.