Browser Speed Comparisons

[young_chap80]

Opera's faster cause it has years of development

Firefox is only Version 1

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Sir, Firefox's version number might just be 1, but you should take note of the fact that firefox is just a stripped down version of Mozilla that has been in development like ages.

That's no reason to steal the credit from Opera.

[Jimny]

VCV, please read the ENTIRE article before you talk about it. Reading SELECT CLIPS does not count as reading the whole article. You would see that he says

Here is what my data says

This means that IF HIS DATA applies to the entire world (which he never said that it did), these would be the stats.

Also, knowing WHERE the data is collected from is NOT the same as knowing HOW the data is collected.

Please keep your bullshlt replies to yourself in the future.

[vcv]

He said "My data says that Firefox has 20% of the market". The data is collected from his mini-network of 10 websites.

The quotes are not taken wrongly out of context.

Let me make it simple for you.

By December 2005 or before, as I have previously anticipated, Internet Explorer will not be anymore the browser of choice for the majority of Internet users.

IE and Outlook free fall

Today, according to my own traffic statistics based on a sample of over 600,000 visitors from over 180 countries, Internet Explorer controls slightly more than 70% of the browser market, where, just twelve months ago it had over 91% of it.

The rapid loss of IE users is now a clear and definite trend that appears to be unstoppable: Internet Explorer is showing many bad wrinkles and a slippery short term memory. For a fast-growing number of experienced Internet users IE is already NOT anymore a browser option to consider.

Here some specific data:

The data I am referencing is from my own mini-network of English-written Web sites, who doesn't target specifically a US-based audience but provide news and information to readers from all parts of the world. The Good mini-publishing network is in fact comprised of 10 Web sites that collectively reach nearly 200,000 unique visitors per month and serve over 500,000 page views (Dec. 2004).

Being the sites and the authors in my publishing network not US-based and actively targeting international readers from all parts of the world, my own statistics offer a humble alternative peek at the browser market with a likely less US-centric slant on what are the actual trends taking place on the Internet.

The data is collected both through traditional server logs complemented by log analysis software, as well as through a live tracking and traffic monitoring system powered by WebSideStory HitBox Professional.

Here is what my data says:

Mozilla FireFox now controls by itself over 20% of the world browser market share, with Opera (2%), Netscape (8%) and Safari (1.2%) being the other browsers with some significant market share.

FireFox growth has been as steady as IE rapid demise, with the new browser from the Mozilla foundation gaining most of those 20 percentage points just in the last 3 months. Pretty impressive.

Internet Explorer version 6 alone has now less than 60% of the world browser market share and it keeps loosing percentage points at a phenomenal rate.

In comparison IE 5.5 and other older IE versions are more entrenched and less subject to market erosion that the latest browser version from Microsoft.

Competition is also increasing for IE from the many IE-clones and IE-based browsers that have been appearing on the market in the last few years (AvantBrowser, Maxthon, MYIE2, etc.). Many of these enhanced versions of IE have a lot more to offer than the original Microsoft IE browser and increasing number of users swear by them while dropping IE without afterthoughts.

Opera (2.x%) and Safari (1.x%) keep also increasing the quality of their browsers and their adoption rate with final users. Opera in particular has been very proactive in the last year by greatly enhancing its browser while integrating cutting-edge functions like RSS newsreading. You can expect both of these browsers to further improve their offering while maintaining a strong loyal following of users (as Opera and Mac users typically are).

Netscape has also a very, very loyal following which, though decimated by IE advance over the years, has not ever shrunk to less than 1%. Presently Netscape 7.2 enjoys over 1.2% of the browser market share, reaching nearly 2% if we count in all of the older versions of Netscape still in use. Netscape overall market share seems to be holding to this level though the latest versions (7.1 and 7.2) have seen a recent steady increase in adoption rates.

Overall adoption of alternative operating systems for Internet users is also on the rise, though Microsoft Windows maintains still a very predominant position with over 90% of the world end user market. The Mac OSX and Linux operating system have taken opposite directions, according to my own one-year data and while Linux users browsing the Internet have significantly increased in number by moving from a 0.78 to 2.45 of my monthly visitors share, the Mac has instead lost over a full percentage point in these last 12 months (from 6.37 to 5.05), remaining though the undisputed second operating system of choice.

You can bet serious money that Microsoft will release a new much improved version of Internet Explorer before Mozilla FireFox takes the majority share of this world browser market.

At the pace things are going this has got to happen likely in the first 3-4 months of 2005 or it may just be too late for IE to save itself from drowning.

With this week release of the final official version 1 of the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, typical users of the Microsoft Outlook/Internet Explorer combo have one more reason to migrate happily to this new and increasingly popular Internet application-duo from the Mozilla Foundation (FireFox + Thunderbird) without ever fearing of being left among a small minority of adopters.

They in fact, the new Mozilla users, will actually be soon representing, by the numbers, the new Internet browsing and email exchange applications standards.

The fact is, he is very misleading in what he says. He also suggests his data is a somewhat accurate measurement of the world market, if you actually read what he says. Then he goes on to say Firefox has 20% in the world market, and does not state afterwords that this data is not a real portrayal of the web, and simply of his network.

The article leads the reader to believe that Firefox does in fact have 20% of the market-share, when according to every other study, it does not.

[Jimny]

I like how you quote the entire article but still refuse to read it.

my own statistics offer a humble alternative peek at the browser market with a likely less US-centric slant on what are the actual trends taking place on the Internet.

Cmon man, really. Can't you read?

[mircleman]

I gathered that from a site that handles 200 000 users and 500 000 sites based on those numbers this is what the data shows. btw he used a professionsal corporations analzying software. I think it's accurate. but of course your not going to convince I.E, users of that so I gave up.

[Chode]

I like how you quote the entire article but still refuse to read it.

my own statistics offer a humble alternative peek at the browser market with a likely less US-centric slant on what are the actual trends taking place on the Internet.

Cmon man, really. Can't you read?

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Got bias?

(the study of statistics is fun)

[Jimny]

Yes, I have bias. Anybody who doesn't is a ######.

The way he wrote the article is not very clear, and could be interpreted different ways.

Yes, statistics is interesting. Sort of. I took two classes.

[Chode]

Yes, I have bias.  Anybody who doesn't is a ######.

The way he wrote the article is not very clear, and could be interpreted different ways.

Yes, statistics is interesting.  Sort of.  I took two classes.

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I meant the article, ducky, not you. ;)

[vcv]

Yes I read the article. He leads the reader to believe it's a close portroyal of the world browser market. By him saying "alternative peek", that in no way implies "oh this isnt a completely accurate portayal of the world market, just of my network."

Take mircleman. He read the article and believes it. He thinks 20% is accurate of the world market.

[g-n-t]

holy crap. i just read a guide on how to optimize opera. and daayyyum. its really fast now. i concede, opera is faster than firefox. im not sure if its better yet, but faster? yes.

[worbd]

But the ability to add extensions is.

His claim was:

"opera's missing lots of features from firefox"

You can extend Opera in many ways, too.

Actually you're wrong.

I know for a fact that Opera had it before any other browser. I remember when the first version with inline find was released. It was a beta, and it blew everyone away.

Other applications may have had inline find, but they were really obscure. Emacs? Who uses that? No one but hardcore geeks. Opera innovated by bringing this hardcore geek thing into a mainstream web browser. A first. An innvation.

Seems like you have no clue what you're talking about.

I love it how this is the best way Firefox zealots can respond. I know that I am right, and anyone who has a tiny bit of knowledge about browser history knows that I am right, too.

Being able to drag toolbar items whever I want them, for example being able to put my bookmarks toobar next to my menu items.

You can drag and drop toolbar items in Opera, too.

Please, before you say something, make sure that you know what you are talking about.  Your fanaticism makes every opera user look like an ######.

You are just calling me a fanatic because I point out certain facts that are hard to face for Firefox zealots and fanboys. Someone claimed that "opera's missing lots of features from firefox". I pointed out that Opera actually has more features than Firefox built in, and that most of the features Firefox users are bragging about were invented by Opera, or were available in Opera long before it was available in Mozilla/Firefox.

Obviously, Firefox fanboys will attack me for exposing lies about Opera, and thereby showing that Firefox is overhyped. Truth hurts.

[lav-chan]

He's a man on a mission! And no-one can stop him!

[mircleman]

Browser Statistics Month by Month

2005 IE 6 IE 5 O 7/8 Ffox Moz NN 4 NN 7

February 64.9% 4.3% 2.0% 20.0% 4.0% 0.2% 1.1%

January 65.3% 4.4% 2.1% 19.3% 4.0% 0.3% 1.1%

now for those folks who thought the very well known news/security site was somehow biased and fake lets try these shall we. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp. thats pretty good stats because thats what kids are using everyday in the real world. we know kids start and follow the trends of society dont we. oh look another that says 20% hmmmmm

next.......Firefox continues gains against IE, Firefox drawing fans away from Microsoft IE

I could sit here and quote sites all day that state between 14-20% of market as of this month but it be a lost cause , because like all microsoft people they will not admit there's a problem till it's too late . this is no different. when the browser is down to 2% they will still be claiming victory. below im posting a link to a site that is non profit and has no biased either way. the watched 42 million users, thats right 42 million and I think you'll fine the numbers very very intresting. also read all the stats on this page you'll see microsoft come sout ahead in most other cases..cept browser use. take a peek .. thats all im gonna say on this matter. if you can sit and read all these numbers and still deny to yourself and others that this isnt true its all a lie then you my friends need more help then im trained to provide. have a wonder day :)

http://www.boingboing.net/stats/awstats.boingboing.net.html

[hendrikch]

how do you use gmail?

as for the clutter,

i have the main menu on top, then i have the ads, then the tab bar and then teh nav bar. in firefox, i only had one bar the size of the nav bar and a tab bar that was about 3/4 the size of operas.

but dont get me wrong, there are many things i like about it, but...

im not sure, on the fence  :p

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let me try to make yourself sure.

1. Main Menu -> do you need it? I don't, so I remove it (Ctrl+F11), then add a menu dropdown in the nav bar, just in case I need it again. Get the menu dropdown from http://nontroppo.org/wiki/CustomButtons

2. Ads -> Nothing I can do if you don't have the registration code.

3. Tab Bar -> You can right click, customize, check "Show only when needed". That case you don't even see the tab bar when you only have one page open.

4. Nav Bar -> mine, from left to right.

Menu drop down, back, forward, reload, wand, address bar, Go button, google search, View toggle, "Block unwanted popups" toggle, "In IE" and "In FF" button, in case the page I am viewing refuses to work well with Opera, I'll just hit the "In IE" button, and voila, the page opens in IE. You can get all these from the Wiki site.

As for the size, when you already remove the menu, you already have the maximum browsing space compared to IE or Firefox.

5. Gmail -> it just works. Click on "Sign in anyways"

[vcv]

*Post*

Read your own link.

Statistics Are Often Misleading

You cannot - as a web developer - rely only on statistics. Statistics can often be misleading.

Global averages may not always be relevant to your web site. Different sites attract different audiences. Some web sites attract professional developers using professional hardware, other sites attract hobbyists using older low spec computers.

Also be aware that  many stats may have an incomplete or faulty browser detection. It is quite common by many web stats report programs, not to detect new browsers like Opera and Netscape 6 or 7 from the web log.

w3schools.com is a geek-oriented site. It is for web designers. It does NOT represent the entire internet at all.

However, I think 20% is a fair estimate of the geek population.

I will wait for statistics from places like Juniper who specialize in this kind of thing and have better global statistics.

[g-n-t]

let me try to make yourself sure.

1. Main Menu -> do you need it? I don't, so I remove it (Ctrl+F11), then add a menu dropdown in the nav bar, just in case I need it again. Get the menu dropdown from http://nontroppo.org/wiki/CustomButtons

2. Ads -> Nothing I can do if you don't have the registration code.

3. Tab Bar -> You can right click, customize, check "Show only when needed". That case you don't even see the tab bar when you only have one page open.

4. Nav Bar -> mine, from left to right.

Menu drop down, back, forward, reload, wand, address bar, Go button, google search, View toggle, "Block unwanted popups" toggle, "In IE" and "In FF" button, in case the page I am viewing refuses to work well with Opera, I'll just hit the "In IE" button, and voila, the page opens in IE. You can get all these from the Wiki site.

As for the size, when you already remove the menu, you already have the maximum browsing space compared to IE or Firefox.

5. Gmail -> it just works. Click on "Sign in anyways"

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ya, i figured it out. i wasnt using opera 8, i was using 7. :p and i customized it the way i like it. im switched now.

i used to ge a HUGE ffox advocate, but a properly configured opera does have an advantage. anything but IE is great. :yes:

[Jimny]

I know for a fact that Opera had it before any other browser.

Well, you are wrong. Lynx had it first. Chump.

Other applications may have had inline find, but they were really obscure. Emacs? Who uses that?

Millions of people use emacs.

Opera innovated by bringing this hardcore geek thing into a mainstream web browser. A first. An innvation.

As far as I know, innovate means to introduce something new, not to copy. People have been copying features for years, yet when opera starts copying features, you call it innovating. Funny.

I love it how this is the best way Firefox zealots can respond.

Actually I use opera more than firefox. I just like to expose the lies of fanatics.

I know that I am right, and anyone who has a tiny bit of knowledge about browser history knows that I am right, too.

Actually, you're wrong.

You can drag and drop toolbar items in Opera, too.

But you can't put the bookmarks next to the menu items, LIKE I SAID.

You are just calling me a fanatic because I point out certain facts that are hard to face for Firefox zealots and fanboys.

Wrong again. I'm calling you a fanatic because you make unsupported claims and lie to make your browser seem better.

Someone claimed that "opera's missing lots of features from firefox". I pointed out that Opera actually has more features than Firefox built in, and that most of the features Firefox users are bragging about were invented by Opera, or were available in Opera long before it was available in Mozilla/Firefox.

I can read what you wrote, you don't need to explain it to me. And you still look like an ######.

Obviously, Firefox fanboys will attack me for exposing lies about Opera, and thereby showing that Firefox is overhyped. Truth hurts.

You haven't exposed lies, only made them. And no one is attacking you. You are attacking the truth.

[hendrikch]

ya, i figured it out. i wasnt using opera 8, i was using 7. :p and i customized it the way i like it. im switched now.

7? or 7.5? or 7.6 TP4? or just the latest stable build 7.54 ?

I remember 7 has quite a slow loading time (CMIIW), but 8 simply blow me away. it loads almost instantly in my laptop. (instantly: less than 2 secs)

i used to ge a HUGE ffox advocate, but a properly configured opera does have an advantage. anything but IE is great.  :yes:

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to be fair, either Opera or Firefox is great, I see most people complain about either browser doesn't have what the other browser has, usually didn't bother much to do some research, and try to configure properly each browser, or find some extensions/scripts to fulfill such purpose.

I can share my personal experience, if you like, why I moved from IE to Opera, from Opera to Firefox, and now from Firefox back to Opera.

[g-n-t]

7.54u2...

and i did the same thing, IE 6to opera7.0, my first non-IE browser(not including netscape which i used before IE) and then to myIE2 at opera 7.11, then to firefox at .6, then to opera 8beta at firefox 1.0.

where will i go next?

[worbd]

Well, you are wrong.  Lynx had it first.  Chump.

Lynx has inline find? Where? If you press / it does a normal search.

Millions of people use emacs.

I doubt that. Only hardcore geeks use Emacs.

As far as I know, innovate means to introduce something new, not to copy.  People have been copying features for years, yet when opera starts copying features, you call it innovating.  Funny.

Actually, it was an innovation because no one else had thought about using it in a browser before.

But you can't put the bookmarks next to the menu items, LIKE I SAID.

That's not really relevant here, Firefox fanboy.

Wrong again.  I'm calling you a fanatic because you make unsupported claims and lie to make your browser seem better.

No, you just find it hard to face the truth :)

I can read what you wrote, you don't need to explain it to me.  And you still look like an ######.

Using big words like that sure makes you look clever!

You haven't exposed lies, only made them.  And no one is attacking you.  You are attacking the truth.

Actually, you are attacking me right now for exposing your lies :D :rofl:

Defensive, are we! :woot:

[Xtreme $niper]

I'm running Firefox and Opera... And by my testings, by my own eyes and mind... I conclude that Firefox is faster to load pages (on my computer anyways) than Opera (most of the time) Sometimes Opera prevails, but then again that can also be a server fault.

[Jimny]

I'm sick of this stupid argument since vcv, gnt, wordb and every other fanatic just chants the same phrases over and over. I feel stupider every time I read their posts. Anyway, Opera is adware, bottom line.

[ZZOOzzoo]

I'm sick of this stupid argument since vcv, gnt, wordb and every other fanatic just chants the same phrases over and over.  I feel stupider every time I read their posts.  Anyway, Opera is adware, bottom line.

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:rolleyes: And you think your opinion is superior to theirs becauseeeee......??

[worbd]

I'm running Firefox and Opera... And by my testings, by my own eyes and mind... I conclude that Firefox is faster to load pages (on my computer anyways) than Opera (most of the time) Sometimes Opera prevails, but then again that can also be a server fault.

People have done some research, and it seems that quite a few sites (including Google's!) send uncompressed data to Opera, while other browsers get it gzipped. This obviously means that Opera will have to download more, and so it takes longer.

Just another case of browser discrimination...

I'm sick of this stupid argument since vcv, gnt, wordb and every other fanatic just chants the same phrases over and over.? I feel stupider every time I read their posts.

You are sick of it because everyone keeps killing your arguments.

Anyway, Opera is adware, bottom line.

When all your other arguments have been destroyed, resort to the adware argument. How predictable:sleep::

[g-n-t]

on this page it says gzip disabled

but on a fast connection, wouldnt it be better uncomressed anyway?