Browser Speed Comparisons

[vcv]

on this page it says gzip disabled

but on a fast connection, wouldnt it be better uncomressed anyway?

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Nope. A gzip page on google is sometimes something like 7k where the uncompresed version is 30k.

[Jimny]

You are sick of it because everyone keeps killing your arguments.

Nobody has destroyed one of my arguments, because the logic of my arguments is undeniable.

resort to the adware argument. How predictable :sleep:

It's not an argument. It's a fact. Again, you dismiss the facts as 'arguments' because you can't accept the facts. Opera displays ads, which classifies it as adware. I didn't say whether or not this made it better or worse. In fact I have never said whether opera or firefox is better or worse.

Regarding gzip, the difference between 7k and 30k is not noticeable for me. On my 100mbit connection (12500k/sec) it would take a fraction of second and would not be noticeable at all. Now we all know that it obviously wont operate at full speed, so lets say it uses one percent of total bandwidth, or 125k/sec. 30k would take .24 seconds, and 7 would take .056.

0.19 - ungzip time, is not a meaningful difference.

[AV0X]

I'm sick of this stupid argument since vcv, gnt, wordb and every other fanatic just chants the same phrases over and over.  I feel stupider every time I read their posts.  Anyway, Opera is adware, bottom line.

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And... you... aren't a Firefox fanatic?

[Jimny]

No. Actually I'm using opera right now.

[g-n-t]

if you identify as another browser, does it enable gzip?

[vcv]

Yes, it does. And the different between 7k and 30k (it's even more in some cases) is really big for dial-up users.

[worbd]

Nobody has destroyed one of my arguments, because the logic of my arguments is undeniable.

No, they are illogical and factually incorrect.

You lose!

[vcv]

Browser Statistics Month by Month

2005  IE 6  IE 5  O 7/8  Ffox  Moz  NN 4  NN 7

February  64.9%  4.3%  2.0%  20.0%  4.0%  0.2%  1.1%

January  65.3%  4.4%  2.1%  19.3%  4.0%  0.3%  1.1%

now for those folks who thought the  very well known news/security site was somehow  biased  and fake lets try these shall we.    http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp. thats pretty  good stats because thats what kids are using everyday in the real world.  we know kids start and follow the trends of society dont we. oh look another that says 20%  hmmmmm 

next.......Firefox continues gains against IE,    Firefox drawing fans away from Microsoft IE

I could sit here and quote sites all day that state between 14-20% of market as of this month but it be a lost cause , because like all microsoft people they will not admit there's a problem till it's too late . this is no different. when the browser is down to 2% they will still be claiming victory.  below im posting a link to a site that is  non profit and has no biased either way.  the watched  42 million users,  thats right 42 million and I think you'll fine the numbers very very intresting.  also read all the stats on this page you'll see microsoft come sout ahead in most other cases..cept browser use.  take a peek ..  thats all im gonna say on this matter. if you can sit and read all these numbers and still deny to yourself and others that this isnt true its all a lie then you my friends need more help then im trained to provide.  have a wonder day  :)

http://www.boingboing.net/stats/awstats.boingboing.net.html

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http://www.websidestory.com/services-solut.../spotlight.html

They've been doing this since 1999 and they say less than 10%.

I accept apologies in the form of money, "you are right", or spare computer parts.

[arrrgh]

The problem with speed tests is that making a compeletely unbiased benchmark is almost impossible. Opera and Gecko engines are very different, I'm sure that with little research an experienced codemonkey could come up with benchmarks that prove either one the fastest browser.

As for this article claiming to be unbiased, it would be a good starting point to use benchmarks that aren't created by Opera fansites.

[vcv]

Hey, look at my user title.. ;) That site isn't an Opera fansite, by the way.

As far as benchmarks.. I could come up with some, but people would just dismiss them anyway, so I wouldn't waste my time. I know what's faster in my experiences and that's all I care about.

[arrrgh]

Well, their main content seems to be Opera wiki.. I don't think they are hosting it just for the kicks

[arrrgh]

It's currently the most secure browser available :yes:

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Can't resist.. now that 1.0.1 is out Firefox is again the most secure browser , at least according to secunia.

Both Firefox and Opera have 3 open advisories on secunia.com, but all Opera's vulnerabilities are ranked one notch more critical.

[macmax]

I've found Firefox to be faster than Opera atleast when it comes to opening pRon pages. But opera beats IE to it.

IE takes a lot of time.

[vcv]

Can't resist.. now that 1.0.1 is out Firefox is again the most secure browser , at least according to secunia.

Both Firefox and Opera have 3 open advisories on secunia.com, but all Opera's vulnerabilities are ranked one notch more critical.

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You forgot that their are 5 "partial fixes" for FF vulnerabilities.

Of the 3 Opera vulnerabilities...

1. IDN - fixed in 7.6 and 8.0

2. Multiple Browsers Window Injection Vulnerability - Fixed in 7.6 and 8.0

3. Multiple Browsers Dialog Box Spoofing - Fixed in 7.6 and 8.0, again.

7.6 has been available as Preview Releases since August, but we won't count those.

8.0 has been available publically since the end of december.

The 3 in mozilla, the first one still is vuln for 1.01. The other two I don't know because there is no information on that and no test cases.

So that's 3 for each which are unpatched. 11 total for FF 1.x alone (which has only been out since November), and people DO still use 0.9. Since november there has been 6 for Opera.

I'm not saying FF is not secure, but to say FF is more secure than Opera is a joke.

[arrrgh]

Partially fixed means in this case that it's fixed in Firefox. For some reason Secunia doesn't track Mozilla Suite and Firefox as separate products. (There's no Mozilla Suite release with the latest security patches => only partially fixed).

8.0 is not available yet, beta is but those never count when talking about security issues. Just like security fixes that are checked into Firefox trunk don't count until there's an official release.

[vcv]

Partially fixed means in this case that it's fixed in Firefox. For some reason Secunia doesn't track Mozilla Suite and Firefox as separate products. (There's no Mozilla Suite release with the latest security patches => only partially fixed).

8.0 is not available yet, beta is but those never count when talking about security issues. Just like security fixes that are checked into Firefox trunk don't count until there's an official release.

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If a release is made available to the public (such as a direct download link on the front page), it is fair game.

[Jimny]

No, they are illogical and factually incorrect.

You lose!

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You talk a lot but never provide facts or evidence. Why? Because you are a troll.

[arrrgh]

If a release is made available to the public (such as a direct download link on the front page), it is fair game.

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If you take a look at opera.com main page it's pretty obvious that 7.54 is still the latest stable version.

And if you really want to split hairs there the main page doesn't have a direct link to the 8.0 beta.

[Jimny]

If a release is made available to the public (such as a direct download link on the front page), it is fair game.

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Since the mozilla nightlies are available to the public they are fair game?

[vcv]

Opera 8.0 is available ON THE FRONT PAGE OF OPERA, and IS TESTED INTERNALLY before being released.

Firefox nightlies are NOT available ON THE FRONT PAGE, and are UNTESTED. In fact, they are not easy to find unless you know what you are looking for.

[Elliott]

Opera 8.0 is available ON THE FRONT PAGE OF OPERA, and IS TESTED INTERNALLY before being released.

Firefox nightlies are NOT available ON THE FRONT PAGE, and are UNTESTED.  In fact, they are not easy to find unless you know what you are looking for.

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Wow, great for Opera. The reason nightlies are untested is because they aren't betas. Is the Mozilla Foundation going to hire a team to, every night, test each nightly before release? That would defeat the purpose of the nightlies. It's meant to be a cheap way to let other people find the problems with the builds.

Now, what you should compare is Preview Releases to Betas, or Finals to Finals. Since 1.01 is final, we're going to compare it with Opera 7.5. Opera 8 Beta does not count in this discussion.

[g-n-t]

and shouldnt be used unless you know what youre looking for. firefox RC's are announced on the front page, but they arent going to make untested builds avaialbe to the general public.

opera doesnt have a tested beta on their site 365days a year, and neither does firefox.

[vcv]

Wow, great for Opera. The reason nightlies are untested is because they aren't betas. Is the Mozilla Foundation going to hire a team to, every night, test each nightly before release? That would defeat the purpose of the nightlies. It's meant to be a cheap way to let other people find the problems with the builds.

Now, what you should compare is Preview Releases to Betas, or Finals to Finals. Since 1.01 is final, we're going to compare it with Opera 7.5. Opera 8 Beta does not count in this discussion.

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First, compare preview releases to preview releases. Opera HAD preview releases before these betas. They were not available on the front page, and were only found it you looked on the FTP or the "beta testing" forum.

So because they chose to call it a "beta" release as opposed to doing 8.0, 8.01, 8.02 until they got it perfect.. you're not allowed to compare it to the latest public firefox release?

Please. You can't pick and choose. If a release is tested for public consumption and available to the general public via a recommendation on the vendors front page, it is fair game, no matter the label they choose for it.

By your argument, it was wrong to EVER compare firefox to anything before it was 1.0.

Even if we were to disregard 8.0 beta because it's not a "final release".

[Elliott]

First, compare preview releases to preview releases.  Opera HAD preview releases before these betas.  They were not available on the front page, and were only found it you looked on the FTP or the "beta testing" forum.

So because they chose to call it a "beta" release as opposed to doing 8.0, 8.01, 8.02 until they got it perfect.. you're not allowed to compare it to the latest public firefox release?

Please. You can't pick and choose.  If a release is tested for public consumption and available to the general public via a recommendation on the vendors front page, it is fair game, no matter the label they choose for it.

By your argument, it was wrong to EVER compare firefox to anything before it was 1.0.

Even if we were to disregard 8.0 beta because it's not a "final release".

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Pre-1.0 for Firefox was very different because it was completely new (and don't jump on that "but it's based on Netscape code!" crap; It's based on it, but that doesn't mean it is it).

As far as Preview Releases go, Mozilla seems to like the term better to describe betas, so they really are betas.

[vcv]

Pre-1.0 for Firefox was very different because it was completely new (and don't jump on that "but it's based on Netscape code!" crap; It's based on it, but that doesn't mean it is it).

As far as Preview Releases go, Mozilla seems to like the term better to describe betas, so they really are betas.

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It's too bad that FF IS based on and uses the same code as Mozilla, whether you like it or not. In fact, there is very little difference between Firefox and Mozilla aside from the build options and deployement. Yes, the UI is different, but it uses the same technology to display it (XUL). As well, it uses the same rendering engine, the same extension architecture, etcetera.