Mac Mini vs. Comparable Spec PC


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Are you trying to tell me that Mac users love every element of the Mac, its hardware, and interface?  If you truly believe that then you are incredibly naive.  Mac message boards are generally full of people that have one problem or another.  My personal pet peeve with OS X is that you cannot copy one folder over the top of another with the same name and simply add the contents of one to the other (as would happen on Windows).  The new folder simply takes the place of the old one, and your old files are gone.  Very, VERY annoying (and I've seen others here who share this view).

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Me especially, i lost 1.5Gb of iPhoto files via that stupid method. :angry:

Ouch.  I hope to god it warns you before it does that.

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It kinda does - if you try and do it in the finder - it warns of folder replacement (etc...). But I was using a 3rd party application to swap iPhoto libraries, it over-wrote the same directory with a blank one, without any prior warning... There was nothing I could of done, i didn't expect it. :rolleyes:

And what if in Windows you actually WANTED to resize your window to fit its contents?? Is there an easy way to do that except by manually resizing the window, just as you would have to do on the Mac if you wanted your window to take up the full screen?

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As for the dock, Heyo hit most of the problems I have with it.

What I never got was the inconsistency. It's been a while since I've used OS X, but here's what I think happens:

I open a program by clicking its icon on the dock. I get a new window, and a near-impossible to see little arrow telling me that it's running.

I open a program that doesn't have an icon on the dock. I get a new window, and a new icon on the dock (with an arrow?). What happens when I close this program (and I don't mean minimize it)? Does the icon stay on the dock but lose the arrow? Or does it go away?

Now I said that some of the Windows installable dock programs handle this better. For instance, ObjectDock by default has the left side containing launch icons, and the right side containing the "taskbar." If I click on the Internet Explorer icon, a new IE "runnin" icon appears on the right. If I minimize it, a screenshot of that instance takes the place of the icon.

The clear seperation of Launch Icons and Running Programs makes ObjectDock much easier to work with for me. Although in general I prefer the Windows taskbar.

Again, the Windows taskbar is very clearly only showing you running programs. Even if you do enable the quicklaunch toolbar, those icons look very, very different from the small "bars" that represent running programs. There's also a clear seperation between them.

Furthermore, when minimizing programs on the dock, you also have inconsistency. Sometimes a screenshot of the program takes the place of the launch icon. Sometimes a new icon is added. Sometimes there is no screenshot, so it's harder to tell if a program is minimized or not running at all. Some programs (QT and iTunes) have special dock plug-ins that actually addMOVING >images to your dock. I betthat> gets annoying fast.

Oh, and as for reading the manual, that's not only a terrible thing to bet on (how many users do you think even unwrapped the plastic from their Windows manuals?), but it also doesn't help people who encounter Macs that they don't own.

If a user tries out a Mac at a friend's house, an office, a store, etc - their first impression is going to be one of confusion. And it's not just because they're used to Windows. It's because many interface concepts in OSX just don't make sense to most people. Believe me, the amount of research involving computer-illiterates that has shaped the Windows interface design is absolutely staggering.

A point of interest... the QL bar was probably put in there because it had an icon so you could easily minimise all your open windows and show your desktop. Since the desktop has been deprecated in new versions of XP it is no longer required, hence why QL is now just an option.

Right, that's the only reason I every used it. I know there's a keyboard command for show desktop in Windows, but I don't know it offhand.

Yeah I saw that behaviour. It was part of my frustration with using OS X. I want to be able to maximise windows. I like having a full screen open for my word processor or other work. In Windows this is a personal choice. If you are focussed on a particular piece of work then you can maximise it and use the full display available. Otherwise you can fit the window to whatever size you like.  I can't stand how I could not seem to easily achieve this in OS X with the interface presented. 

I edit documents for a job, and we use Win2k at work. It's much, much more difficult to look at a page of text in Windows at the size you want it than it is in OSX. We also do a lot of PDF work, and OSX truly has the upper hand there.

Basically, OSX will always size to whatever is on screen. Forcing it to maximize just means you're going to display blank space, either grayed margins or empty toolbars.

If a user tries out a Mac at a friend's house, an office, a store, etc - their first impression is going to be one of confusion.  And it's not just because they're used to Windows.  It's because many interface concepts in OSX just don't make sense to most people.  Believe me, the amount of research involving computer-illiterates that has shaped the Windows interface design is absolutely staggering.

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IMO, OSX is more logical to a newbie than Windows for one simple reason, the menus are always in the same place. I could see someone being confused by a fresh *box GUI, but if you can't click on an icon, you've probably never used any interface in your life.

Addressing some of your points -

Minimizing windows, creates a thumbnail of the window with the parent app's icon attached to the corner - in the right side of the dock. This always happens, it's not an if or maybe - the only app I recall NOT doing this is iChat - which instead shows the AIM buddy icon for the chat participant.

The triangle beneath an application isn't hard to see at all, not for me, or any member of my family - who all own Mac's. It's subjective none-the-less, but it's at the edge of the screen, despite the dock's orientation and it's BLACK. I think it's being a little pedantic, personally, but each to their own.

I don't find it hard at all to differentiate between running and apps, and those which aren't - the triangle is clearly visible to me. If it caused THAT MUCH confusion for a user, you could drag out all the applications, and simple use it more like a Windows taskbar - application icons join the dock on launch, and leave on quit. However this doesn't really fit the workflow of Mac OS X, given that you're encourage to leave more application's open.

The dock is a bar you customize, you add and remove it's content as you see fit. - Ideal some might say. Yet it also works as application notification - by means of showing you apps are running ALSO. So one would assume, if the dock is created for you to customize, applications you call upon, but didn't drag there personally, would subsequently leave the dock - when you quit them. If it didn't appear obvious at first glance, after launching apps, and seeing them leave the dock - would prompt you to question why. After having a short think about it, and perhaps 'trying' to add applications to the dock, might solve the query. Alternatively, if you Control-Clicked the dock icon in question, it'd bring up a contextual menu which has an option -

Keep in dock

If you hit this, you can forsee the possible outcome, if you don't well it's an either/or situation - so go figure.

This whole posts refers to what you are used to, ultimately. I have to admit, I have and would feel somewhat perplexed by KDE or another Linux shell, but that's because I am not accustom to it, and how it feels and works. I'd imagine users who've been brought up on Mac's, find Windows quite frustrating to operate, also. So although some users have quirks with the UI and it's functionality - doesn't mean it's wrong - surely not if the majority of that OS's users DO GET IT, it just means you're somewhat unfamililar with the way things operate.

A prime example is, Photoshop. Saying you're trying to manage the application Windows within the app, and pick the one you are looking for.

In Windows, the taskbar groups the windows together into a single 'photoshop' group - which is kinda handy. So you simply click the group and then click the window you're looking for via filename - or luck if you've not saved them yet! ;)

In Mac OS X (Panther) I switch to Photoshop, via Command + Tab, via the dock, via Expos?. I then call upon Expos? via a screen 'hot-corner' to show all windows for the current Application - or hit F10.

Both methods are massively different, it's questionable which you prefer, but they achieve the same results. This is why one system is called Mac OS, and the other is called something different;);)

I have to go back to work now, my bad if I missed any points, but feel free to make some comments in return, i'll be back later.

Peace

Believe me, the amount of research involving computer-illiterates that has shaped the Windows interface design is absolutely staggering.

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Are you saying that Apple hasn't done research about interface design? LOL

And what if in Windows you actually WANTED to resize your window to fit its contents?  Is there an easy way to do that except by manually resizing the window, just as you would have to do on the Mac if you wanted your window to take up the full screen?

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Hey, I said it first! ;)

And what if in Windows you actually WANTED to resize your window to fit its contents?  Is there an easy way to do that except by manually resizing the window, just as you would have to do on the Mac if you wanted your window to take up the full screen?

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Really? I didn?t observe this behaviour in OS X. When I selected the so-called ?fit to content? button there were many occasions where the window resized itself, but not to content. I still ended up with scroll bars. All it did was resize itself to what *it* thought was an optimum size for the window. Unfortunately, this didn?t match what I considered a optimum size for the window.

And then there was the confusion this design philosophy caused me as a new user. I mean listen to yourselves when you are describing the behaviour.

?Oh well for applications A, B and C it will resize to full screen, but for applications X, Y, Z well then it?s fit to content?.

It isn?t fit to content. It?s ?You decide how big the window should be Mr Application, I?m too dumb to decide for myself?.

It?s seemingly random behaviour for the new user at to what the (+) button will do, and therefore as confusing as the Dock?s now well documented inconsistent behaviour in this thread.

OS X it just painting itself more and more as an inconsistent interface (to the new user) to me, BY DESIGN. Which is fine? if you like that. I don?t.

Are you trying to tell me that Mac users love every element of the Mac, its hardware, and interface?  If you truly believe that then you are incredibly naive.  Mac message boards are generally full of people that have one problem or another.

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Mac boards may very well be full of people with all sorts of problems. I can?t say I?d be surprised given my brush-ins with the interface.

I?ve already surprised you by telling you I didn?t like the Dock?s behaviour and found it almost entirely unintuitive as a new user. How many other people try out OS X and then recoil in horror at it?s ways, and go running elsewhere?

I find it hard to believe I?m alone. I can pretty much be positive I?m not.

In Mac OS X (Panther) I switch to Photoshop, via Command + Tab, via the dock, via Expos?. I then call upon Expos? via a screen 'hot-corner' to show all windows for the current Application - or hit F10.

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Steve your description of the Dock's behaviour just made me groan more. Sometimes a running app is an arrow, othertimes maybe just icons get added.. etc etc

One thing I never got to play around with on OS X that I was really interested in seeing was Expose. I tried hitting the function keys I thought were the ones I am supposed to use but nothing happened. I was going to wait till I get my Mini to try it out, but now that's not going to happen because Mr Jobs won't sell me one... oh well.

I actually like how you guys described OS X as a document-centric interface. This is one area that shines with me and appeals to me alot more than the Windows way of doing things.

Can I just say you guys are the nicest Mac users I've ever met! Thanks for answering all my questions about OS X even if I sound like a pain half the time! lol

My point is, the PC doesn't win, because the fundamental fact that OSX draws its interface through the graphics card puts it ahead of a comparable Windows PC. At the mini price point, gaming is a moot issue, the comparable PC would suck just as much as OSX's lack of games  :laugh:

I've used all the docks in Windows, not a single one was truly lag free, and IMO they all drew the icons worse than the OSX dock.

I agree though, the mini isn't anything special computing wise. I think price+performance+form factor, it absolutely kicks ass though.

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you're complaining about how windows versions of docks draw icons? thats not necessarly a PC or Windows problem but the coders problem, seeing it's a 3rd party tool to start with, its not MS or the PC makers problem therefor shoudln't be held against MS or the PC maker.

I didn't think it did, but didn't have a copy nearby to check when I was posting, so I couldn't be sure.  Thanks for the confirmation.

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well i use litestep so i got rid of explorer completly, i would have had to restart twice in order to test it out and then go back to litestep. however, task grouping was available in whistler as mentioned above and i really doubt that MS "stole" it from osx. also, xp in a way is "document centric" because if you do have more windows open than the taskbar fits, then they are all arranged in groups of apps. push the task button and you get a list of all the documents/windows in it. not exactly the same as OSx, but...

does OSX have multiple desktops though(not fast user switching, i mean multiple desktops per user)?

when i first started using linux, i really didnt realise how helpful that is, but it creates a sort of "task centric" environment. you put all internet apps in one desktops, graphics in another, music in another, terminal/"explorer" in anohter, or whatever.

as for the nub research argument, yes, of course apple has researched. they put identilcle products on different color backgrounds and see which one noobs choose first :laugh:

anyway, although apple does do some research, MS is just all over the place. i was reading about windows starter edition and how they researched different nterface elements for people in different countries and the tutorials and everything, its pretty amazing.

Are you saying that Apple hasn't done research about interface design?  LOL

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I'm quite sure I said nothing of the sort.

Apple very clearly spends a lot of money on aethetic design. And in some cases (the iPod scroll wheel, for example) they've made some very functional designs as well.

However, I'm pretty sure the amount of money Microsoft spent researching useability for Windows XP far exceeds the amount of money Apple has spent on everything they've ever done.

There's a distinction in both the goal and the magnitude of these companies' respective UI research projects. I hope you can see that.

I also completely don't understand the need to have an icon with an arrow to indicate a running program in addition to an icon for each open document. If I click the icon for a program that's already running, what comes up? Nothing? All of the documents it has open?

In Windows every window that's open gets a taskbar entry, unless its the child window of an MDI application. But the only MDI applications I can think of these days all have tabbed interfaces.

So if I want to change between windows that are shown in the taskbar, I can ALT+TAB or click on them. If I want to switch between tabs in Maxthon, Visual Studio, etc. - I can click on the tab or CTRL+TAB.

I also greatly prefer the design wherein applications keep their menu bars "attached," instead of having the active window's menu bar always at the top of the screen. That idea always bugged me. It feels so restrictive and single-task oriented.

Another thing I don't understand is why you would want to keep programs running when they're not in use. You're already running a memory starved system (compared to Windows on x86), why would you want to make that worse?

I get ****ed when programs hang around longer than they're wanted. Adobe Reader is notorious for that, as the Java VM. And that behaviour certainly doesn't help my perception that both of those programs are the scum of the earth.

I mean, my computer isn't a Palm Pilot - it's not like it takes any time to start up Word everytime I open a document.

If I want a program to go away but keep running, I have the minimize button. If I click the big red X, I expect that program to clean up and get out immediately.

So yeah, those are some of the things that bug me about the Mac. As I said, there are plenty of things I like about it - and plenty of things I think Windows could do better. I'm not trying to make any broad comparisons or say that Macs are in any way inferior to PCs... I'm just trying to explain some design choices that I find to be poor or inconsistent in the OS X user interface.

Really? I didn?t observe this behaviour in OS X. When I selected the so-called ?fit to content? button there were many occasions where the window resized itself, but not to content. I still ended up with scroll bars. All it did was resize itself to what *it* thought was an optimum size for the window. Unfortunately, this didn?t match what I considered a optimum size for the window.

I guess you can argue what optimum size is, but it will always scale to show all the text. For instance, Preview defaults to opening PDF documents to fit one page at a time on your screen (the way it should be). If you zoom in, and resize, it will adjust the horizontal size to fit all the text on the screen.

Steve your description of the Dock's behaviour just made me groan more. Sometimes a running app is an arrow, othertimes maybe just icons get added.. etc etc

It will always have an arrow. What he said was, if you launch a program that you don't have as a shortcut on the dock, the icon (with an arrow) gets added to the dock. You can then by right clicking on the icon add it permanently to your dock if you wish, or when you quit the program, it will disappear.

One thing I never got to play around with on OS X that I was really interested in seeing was Expose. I tried hitting the function keys I thought were the ones I am supposed to use but nothing happened. I was going to wait till I get my Mini to try it out, but now that's not going to happen because Mr Jobs won't sell me one... oh well.

F9 F10 and F11, or it's under System Properties, you can set it up to activate through Hot Corners. In fact, if you friend you mentioned before couldn't figure out how to use Expose after that, he probably couldn't change his wallpaper :happy: :happy:

does OSX have multiple desktops though(not fast user switching, i mean multiple desktops per user)?

There's a program that does it, same as XP, and it has some cool transition effects. No one, IMO, has it done as simply as the Linux GUIs (Gnome/boxes in particular).

See, you're simply stating how you prefer the methods employed by Windows, which is fair enough - you don't really know Mac OS X too well.

Over and over again, it's been described that Mac OS X isn't document centric like Windows, thus the dock retains Applications in the dock, and doesn't create new UI entities for each and every window within your working environment. So you're wrong in thinking that once a program is running, ALL that the dock has to represent that, is the Application icon in the dock, and also the triangle that naturally represents an Application that is running.

If you choose to minimize Windows to the dock, they fall to right hand side of the dock (there's a clear divider). However Mac's have never been designed to 'minimize' Windows like you do in Microsoft's Windows OS. This can be a little confusing to users who aren't used to Mac OS, but the idea, from the early days was to simply 'collapse windows' and leave them on screen. Since then, Mac OS X has introduced the dock, and a means to minimize Windows, but it doesn't really fit in with the workflow. The more natural approaches to Window management are -

Hiding applications - Hitting a simple 'Command + H' will hide an app and it's contents. Changing back to this application, at any time, brings the windows back from their hidden state. Within any application window, or by key combo you have the power to 'hide others' which hides all apps, other than the current application running.

Expos? - the alternative, and more popular way to manage windows (documents) is via this method. For those not in the know, you can manage Windows (documents) on an application basis (like the popup menu for Windows taskbar grouped items) but for the 21st century. No more trying to work out what Window contained what - especially given that if a file's not yet saved, the text entry in Windows is near on worthless itself. Instead you've a visual and realtime scaled visual of every window in that application. It really couldn't be easier to manage windows (documents) per application, than this.

- The other method for Window manage (document) management is of course the typical and most known method of show all windows. This naturally scales ALL windows to fit, whilst rendering in them real-time - which allows for realtime updates to any window (such as chats, video, web-browsing - very handy if you're awaiting some progress to a window etc...)

Finder toolbar - Sure you might prefer the means of having the application menu attached to every window but this in itself brings some of UI flaws you could argue correlate to those of the dock. The main issues is that unless a Window is maximized, those menu's are never in the same place - relative to the screen. You can't naturally move your mouse to the top of your workspace (via motor memory), and hit a menu - they're inconsistently placed, on the basis of where your Window is in the environment. Furthermore - why would you want these menu's visible to applications that you're not interacting with - they're worth the screen real-estate their using up.

It's somewhat documented, and expressed 'out there' that Mac OS X's memory management is pretty advanced. Personally I don't have any means of evidence of this, nor background knowledge, but in the Mac OS environment, and the way it's designed, it's convenient to leave Applications open. The dock doesn't clutter, per document, therefore whether an Application contains windows or not, isn't detrimental to the UI as a whole. You could argue free memory would be an issue, but frankly i don't really experience it. Instead every few days I may logout and login, with refreshes the memory comprehensively - much like when you restart Windows. But typically on my PowerMac, i have no worries running 30 applications running, and being concerned with stability, or massive memory issues.

Your comments with regards to the close window widget are just that, but your thoughts and views are that of someone who is accustom to Windows, not Mac OS. I re-iterate that the principles are different, which is probably why Windows was named Windows really. On Windows, you manage Windows, more than you do actual applications (they manage themselves, on the basis of the windows open) yet on Mac OS, it's more of the opposite.

Chew on those, and feel free to give me some feedback, or question further. Overall without wanting to sound like 'one of them' i find that alot of your quirks and such are that of someone who is naturally used to Windows, and unfamiliar with Mac OS. Naturally if 'the shoe was on the other foot' (so to speak) the same would apply.

i hope this post is helpful, and provides some info. I have to admit when i switched to Mac's (Mac OS X 10.0 beta) It took some time to quit thinking in terms of the way Windows worked, and moving my mindset into that of the Mac OS. After doing so, there's really very few things I miss about Windows really, and the taskbar isn't one of them. Of course it does remain consistent, in terms of position and the way it 'acts' in your opinion, but to me it feels dated and clunky. It's just not visual enough, and requires you to read small sized writing which relates to the Windows / Documents - Mac OS X is far more visual in terms of the dock and window management via Expos?. For me, recognizing windows and apps is far easier and quicker via visual prompt, than via the methods employed by the taskbar in Windows.

Steve

( i was in a rush, i don't have time to proof read that )

I've also taken the liberty of showing you a few of the things, we've talked about - it might help somewhat to picture ideas and such.

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The dock - here's an example of my dock, it has Applications running, some not. Beyond the divider lies files and directories - the springs are hyperlinks, and the folder is 'Applications', the 'trash' always remains on the right side of the dock. For me, it really isn't too hard to distinguish between running apps, and those not yet launched. Maybe you too can see how the black triangle isn't quite 'a few pixels', and is rather visible, afterall.

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Dock Menu's - From a simple command click (or right click) you have access unlimited access to directories via menu's. So in turn dragging a folder such as 'Applications' becomes an application launcher, like the Start Menu in Windows. This, combined with the soon to be added Spotlight, brings an alternative way to accessing files and folders in the finder. Note that the menu's include high quality icons which aid the visual side of things, and make finding files and folders via this method even easier. The first screenshot also demonstrates what a Window, minimized looks like - Safari.

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As stated, every application has these functions, which allows you to manage application windows / documents in terms of their visible / hidden state. It's very useful for Windows you don't want cluttering your workspace temporarily - which isn't something you can do in Windows. Only way you could achieve similar results would be save and quit the windows.

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Once a new application is added to the dock (because you launched it) you can simply keep it in the dock, via this method. Alternatively you could simply drag the icon to the left side, and it'll then assume you wanted to keep it there - because you chose to manage it. So you don't NEED to use this contextual menu. ;)

I hope that sheds even more light on the subject.

Steve your description of the Dock's behaviour just made me groan more. Sometimes a running app is an arrow, othertimes maybe just icons get added.. etc etc

One thing I never got to play around with on OS X that I was really interested in seeing was Expose. I tried hitting the function keys I thought were the ones I am supposed to use but nothing happened. I was going to wait till I get my Mini to try it out, but now that's not going to happen because Mr Jobs won't sell me one... oh well.

I actually like how you guys described OS X as a document-centric interface. This is one area that shines with me and appeals to me alot more than the Windows way of doing things.

Can I just say you guys are the nicest Mac users I've ever met! Thanks for answering all my questions about OS X even if I sound like a pain half the time! lol

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That's not what Steve said at all. An arrow under the icon ALWAYS indicates that the app is running. The only time that an icon gets added to the Dock (other than when the user manually drags an application icon there) is if you run an application that isn't already there. Even then, it will have an arrow under it indicating that it is running. When you close that application, the icon for it will go away from the Dock.

From your comments about Expose', it is beginning to sound like you may have been using a version of OS X other than Panther. If you were unfortunate enough to be using 10.0 or 10.1, that may very well explain some of the confusion you had, and some of your comments about "inconsistent" behavior, as those versions did have some bugs in that respect that have been cleaned up with 10.2 and 10.3.

Thanks for that last comment. You will find that most of the Mac users here really do try to help others. It's only when we are confronted by obvious trolls that we get hostile. :cool:

I've also taken the liberty of showing you a few of the things, we've talked about - it might help somewhat to picture ideas and such.

First off, I appreciate you taking the time to explain and illustrate these points :)

The dock - here's an example of my dock, it has Applications running, some not. Beyond the divider lies files and directories - the springs are hyperlinks, and the folder is 'Applications', the 'trash' always remains on the right side of the dock. For me, it really isn't too hard to distinguish between running apps, and those not yet launched. Maybe you too can see how the black triangle isn't quite 'a few pixels', and is rather visible, afterall.

Dock Menu's - From a simple command click (or right click) you have access unlimited access to directories via menu's. So in turn dragging a folder such as 'Applications' becomes an application launcher, like the Start Menu in Windows.

Neat. To me this seems a lot like what happens when you drag a folder in Windows to an empty spot on the taskbar (you get a "quicklaunch" kind of menu and can navigate the folder through cascading menus in almost exactly the same way).

As stated, every application has these functions, which allows you to manage application windows / documents in terms of their visible / hidden state. It's very useful for Windows you don't want cluttering your workspace temporarily - which isn't something you can do in Windows. Only way you could achieve similar results would be save and quit the windows.

I don't think that's true. First of all, unlike the Mac, Windows is designed to have multiple windows open on the desktop at the same time. Whereas a window on the Mac "owns" the whole screen while it's active, windows on Windows (yeah, i know) are self-contained and only own the space that they currently occupy.

If you did want to see only one window, you can:

a) Maximize it

b) use "Show Desktop"

c) Minimize the windows you don't want.

Or you can always send it to another virtual desktop (virtually every display driver includes that feature).

Beyond that, I don't think this is a situation where I am simply accustomed to the way Windows does things. My point here is that, in these ways, I prefer the way Windows does things - because they make more sense to me.

One of my biggest sticking points when it comes to the Mac UI is definitely the "active window owns the screen" philosophy. In my mind, this makes it much harder to work with multiple applications simultaneously.

For instance, if I'm writing an e-mail in an Outlook/Word window, and I decide to do something like change my away message in Trillian - I can already see the "File" menu in the Trillian window - click on it - and have the option I want. I can see before I click on anything what menu options Trillian has.

If I were on a Mac, I could see the Trillian window, but I wouldn't know what menu functions it has. If I want to click on the "File" menu, I have to first click on the application window (or press some other key combination until that window is active) first.

It may seem like a small difference, but in my mind it adds a huge layer of seperation between applications - which is something that I do not like one bit.

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    • Hands-on with BOOX Tappy: cute little reading accessory by Taras Buria Page turners are quite popular accessories for e-readers, as they enable a hands-free reading experience, which is particularly useful with large readers featuring 10-inch or larger displays. The BOOX Tappy is a new accessory that was introduced earlier this year, and we took this cute-looking thingy for a spin. The Tappy comes in a small box, with two additional buttons and a user manual. The device is made of glossy green plastic and resembles old appliances from the nuclear age. Material quality is great, and each part feels quite premium. Plastic is high-quality, the switch is nice to flick, and the buttons are not rattly. At the bottom, four rubberized feet prevent slipping when used on a desk. Unfortunately, there are no color options, and the Tappy is only available in green. It looks good, but I wish there were other options as well. There are two removable buttons, an on/off switch, and an LED indicator that displays connection mode, charging status, and more. The buttons resemble those of an old typewriter, with quite a long travel distance and a pleasant clack. In the box, you have four buttons with different icons: heart, coffee, O, and X. You can easily swap buttons by simply pulling them upwards. Tip: buttons come with plastic covers, but they are quite tricky to remove. It is hard to call the Tappy the most ergonomic remote control, but after fiddling with it for a few hours, I managed to find a comfortable hand position. Attaching a lanyard to it can make it more comfortable in use without the fear of dropping it, but unfortunately, the Tappy does not come with one. The Tappy connects via Bluetooth 5.2, and it works in three modes, which you can toggle by pressing and holding both buttons for about five seconds: Reading Mode Multimedia Mode Browsing Mode Next / Previous page Next / Previous Track Up / Down scroll If you pair the Tappy with a BOOX device (I tested it with the BOOX Go 10.5 Gen 2 Lumi), you will get small pop-ups indicating the current mode. Plus, you can customize what each button does when pressed one time, two times, or held for a few seconds. The list of available actions and features you can use is massive, and I like that BOOX lets you map stuff like brightness adjustment, app launching, screenshot-taking, screen rotating, navigation, and more. Note, however, that while you can use the Tappy with other readers, its customization is only available on BOOX devices running firmware version 4.2 and newer. I could not connect the Tappy to my computer (Windows 11 claims a driver error when I try), but it worked with the DuRoBo Krono that I recently reviewed. My Kindle Paperwhite refused to work with the Tappy, though, just like my iPhone. The Tappy uses a non-removable Li-Ion battery, which can be recharged with a Type-C cable. BOOX rates the remote for "weeks of use," and I can say that it indeed has very good battery life. While there are no battery indicators on the remote, you can see the current level in the status bar or in Input settings in the BOOX firmware. After a few days of active use, mine still shows about 95%. Overall, the Tappy left a nice impression. It is well-made, and the integration with BOOX devices is great. I also like that BOOX decided to have some fun with its design and swappable buttons. I cannot say I am a fan of its odd shape, though. Still, I managed to find a way to use it comfortably. And when not in use, it just looks neat sitting on the table doing nothing or serving you as a small clacky fidget. Buy BOOX Tappy - $29.99 on Amazon US As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
    • AdGuard Family lifetime deal now only $14.97 by Steven Parker Today's highlighted Neowin Deal comes via our Apps + Software section, where you can get a lifetime subscription and save 91% on a lifetime AdGuard Family Plan. AdGuard is a unique program that has all the necessary features for what they claim to be "the best web experience." The software combines the an advanced ad blocker, a privacy protection module, and a parental control tool—all working in one app. This software deals with annoying ads, hides your data from a multitude of trackers, protects you from malware attacks, and even lets you restrict your kids from accessing inappropriate content. Install AdGuard and see the internet as it was supposed to be: clean and safe. Get rid of annoying banners, pop-ups & video ads once and for all Hide your data from the multitude of trackers & activity analyzers that swarm the web Avoid fraudulent and phishing website and malware attacks Protect your kids online by restricting them from accessing inappropriate & adult content Good to know Family Plan Length of access: lifetime This plan is only available to new users Redemption deadline: redeem your code within 30 days of purchase Max number of devices: 9 Access options: desktop & mobile Software version: AdGuard Family Updates included A lifetime subscription of AdGuard Family Plan normally costs $169.99, but this deal can be yours for just $14.97, that's a saving of $157.02. For full terms, specifications, and license info please click the link below. Get this AdGuard Family lifetime deal for just $14.97 (was $169.99) Although priced in U.S. dollars, this deal is available for digital purchase worldwide. As an online publication, Neowin too relies on ads for operating costs and, if you use an ad blocker, we'd appreciate being whitelisted. In addition, we have an ad-free subscription for $28 a year, which is another way to show support! Support queries If you have queries or need support for any of the Neowin Deals, please use the contact form here. Neowin Deals are managed and sold by StackCommerce who represent Neowin on an affiliate basis. Why we post these deals We post these because we earn commission on each sale so as not to rely solely on advertising, which many of our readers block. It all helps toward paying staff reporters, servers and hosting costs. So for those that keep moaning and complaining, be thankful we're still online for you to even do that. Other ways to support Neowin Whitelist Neowin by not blocking our ads Create a free member account to see fewer ads Make a donation to support our day to day running costs Subscribe to Neowin - for $14 a year, or $28 a year for an ad-free experience Disclosure: Neowin benefits from revenue of each sale made through our branded deals site powered by StackCommerce.
    • Passkeys: Think of them like a broken heart necklace. Imagine one of those heart necklaces that breaks into two matching pieces. One person keeps one half, and the other person keeps the other half. With passkeys, the website has one half, and you have the other half. If the website gets hacked and someone steals its half, that stolen piece is useless by itself. It cannot unlock your account without your matching half. This particular heart necklace is one of a kind, there is only one in existence. Your half of the necklace has to be stored somewhere. It might be stored on your phone, tablet, computer, security key, or a password manager that can sync it between all your devices. A security key is a small physical device that you keep with you, kind of like a house key, car key, or flash drive. I would not usually recommend a security key as the first option for the average person. For most people, it is easier to use their phone, computer, or a password manager that can sync passkeys between their devices. A security key is more like a spare key you keep in a safe place, just in case you lose access to your other devices or your password manager. Some security keys plug into your computer. Some plug into your phone or tablet. Some get tapped against your device. The idea is simple: a security key can hold another passkey for the same website. Think of it like creating a second one-of-a-kind heart necklace for the same account. One necklace could be paired with your password manager, while another necklace could be paired with your security key. That means the website has more than one matching half on file. One half matches the passkey in your password manager. Another half matches the passkey stored on your security key. So, if you lose access to your phone, computer, or password manager, you would still be able to log in using the passkey stored on your security key. Think of it like keeping an extra special necklace piece on a tiny keychain, stored somewhere safe. The website still has the matching half for that security key, but your half is safely stored inside the little key. A passkey does not automatically exist on every device you own. It lives wherever you save it. If your half is stored on one device, then that device is the one that has the matching piece. For example, if you create the passkey on your Windows computer and it is only saved to that computer, your iPhone does not automatically have that same half. If you create it on your iPhone and it only stays on that iPhone, your Android phone does not automatically have it either. That is where password managers come in. A password manager can act like a protected jewelry box for your passkeys. Instead of your half of the necklace being locked to only one device, the password manager can securely sync that half to your other approved devices. For example, Apple Passwords and iCloud Keychain can sync passkeys between your Apple devices. Google Password Manager can sync passkeys with your Google account. But password managers such as 1Password and Bitwarden can sync passkeys between everything, your phones, tablets and computers. Now, you might ask: “What happens if I lose access to the device that has my passkey?” That depends on where your passkey was saved and what recovery options the website gives you. If your passkey was synced through a password manager, you may be able to sign in from another device that has access to that same password manager. For example, if your passkey is saved in iCloud Keychain, Google Password Manager, 1Password, or Bitwarden, another approved device may still have access to it. If your passkey was saved only on one phone, computer, or security key, and you lose that device, then you may not have your half of the necklace anymore. In that case, you would usually need to use the website’s backup login or account recovery options. A lot of websites that support passkeys still let you fall back to your regular password. So if you lose access to your passkey, the site may still let you log in with your password, a code sent to your email, a text message, a recovery code, or some other account recovery process. That is convenient, but it is also important to understand: if the website still allows password login, then your password still matters. Passkeys are safer than passwords, but if your account still has a password as a backup, you should still use a strong, unique password and turn on two-factor authentication if the website offers it. This is why it is a good idea to have more than one safe way back into important accounts. For example, you might keep your passkey in a syncing password manager, add a second trusted device, save recovery codes somewhere safe, or set up a backup security key. A passkey is very secure, but just like a real key, you need a backup plan in case you lose access to it. Now, you might ask: “What stops a hacker from copying my half of the necklace?” That’s the important part: your half is protected. It is not something you type in, and it is not something the website gets to keep. Think of your half as being locked inside a tiny safe on your phone, computer, security key, or password manager. That safe only opens when you approve it with your fingerprint, face, PIN, or device password. When you log in, the website does not need to see your half. It only needs proof that your half matches its half. Your actual half is not handed over to the website. This is different from a password. With a password, you type the secret into the website. If you type it into a fake website, the hacker now has it. With a passkey, you are not typing your secret into the website. Your device is proving you have the matching half without giving the half away. That also helps protect you from fake websites. If someone makes a fake login page that looks like the real site, your device can tell it is not the real match. It will not use your passkey there. Now, could someone use your passkey if they stole your device, got into your password manager, or somehow unlocked the safe that holds your half? Yes, that is why your device password, PIN, fingerprint, face unlock, and password manager security still matter. But a hacker cannot just steal your passkey from the website or trick you into typing it into a fake page like they can with a password. That is why passkeys are safer than passwords. The two matching pieces have to come together, like two lovebirds who were once separated and are finally reunited.
    • Newegg offers insane combo deal on Amazon Prime Day 2026 that beats Steam Machine by Sayan Sen Building a PC is undoubtedly difficult nowadays but with this epic combo deal, Newegg is trying to make it as easy for you as it is possible. If you are making a new one or even upgrading an old system to a new Windows 11 device, this combo bundle is truly unmissable as you get AMD's Ryzen 9800X3D, a compatible X870 motherboard, a 240mm AIO liquid cooler and finally a Samsung 990 PRO SSD all for under $1000 (purchase link under the specs table down below). This should beat out the newly launched Steam Machine from Valve in terms of performance and performance per dollar especially if you are willing to set Linux up on it. Essentially with this combo you will get the AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 8-core 3D V cache CPU, Samsung's 990 PRO 2TB NVMe SSD, the MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX Motherboard, and finally the Cooler Master Elite Liquid 240. Thanks to that massive vertically stacked L3 cache, the X3D desktop processors, including the 9800X3D, also come with the benefit of not needing fast memory. Even DDR5-5600 should be plenty for it. The technical specifications of the Ryzen 7 9800X3D are given in the table below: Specification Value Architecture Zen 5 Cores / Threads 8 / 16 Base Clock 4.7 GHz Max Boost Clock Up to 5.2 GHz L1 Cache 640 KB L2 Cache 8 MB L3 Cache 96 MB Total Cache 104 MB CPU Core Process TSMC 4nm FinFET I/O Die Process TSMC 6nm FinFET Socket AM5 Default TDP 120W Max Temperature (Tjmax) 95°C Thermal Solution Not included Memory Type DDR5 Max Capacity 256 GB Memory Speeds 2x1R: DDR5-5600 2x2R: DDR5-5600 4x1R: DDR5-3600 4x2R: DDR5-3600 PCIe Version PCIe 5.0 PCIe Lanes (Total/Usable) 28 / 24 USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10Gbps) 4 USB 2.0 1 Graphics Cores 2 CU RDNA 2 Frequency 2200 MHz DisplayPort over USB-C Yes Overclocking Unlocked Up next we have the tech specs for the MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI Motherboard: Specification Value Chipset AMD X870 CPU Support AMD Ryzen 9000 / 8000 / 7000 Series Desktop Processors Socket AM5 Memory Slots 4 × DDR5 UDIMM Maximum Memory Capacity 256GB Memory Support DDR5 8400–5600 MT/s (OC), DDR5 5600–4800 MT/s (JEDEC) Integrated Graphics Outputs 1 × HDMI 2.1 FRL (up to 8K 60Hz) 2 × USB4 Type-C with DisplayPort 1.4 HBR3 (up to 4K 60Hz) Expansion Slots PCI_E1: PCIe 5.0 x16 (CPU) PCI_E2: PCIe 3.0 x1 (Chipset) PCI_E3: PCIe 4.0 x4 (Chipset) Audio Realtek ALC4080 Codec 7.1-Channel USB High Performance Audio Supports up to 32-bit/384kHz playback on front panel S/PDIF output M.2 Slots 4 × M.2 M2_1: PCIe 5.0 x4 (CPU, 22110/2280) M2_2: PCIe 5.0 x4 (CPU, 2280/2260) M2_3: PCIe 4.0 x2 (Chipset, 2280/2260) M2_4: PCIe 4.0 x4 (Chipset, 2280/2260) SATA Ports 4 × SATA 6Gb/s RAID Support RAID 0, 1, 5, 10 for M.2 NVMe storage devices Rear USB Ports 4 × USB 2.0 3 × USB 5Gbps Type-A 2 × USB 10Gbps Type-A 1 × USB 10Gbps Type-C 2 × USB4 40Gbps Type-C Front USB Headers 4 × USB 2.0 4 × USB 5Gbps Type-A 1 × USB 20Gbps Type-C LAN Realtek 8126-CG 5G LAN Wireless Wi-Fi 7 (M.2 Key-E module pre-installed) Supports 2.4GHz / 5GHz / 6GHz bands Up to 5.8Gbps Supports 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/ax/be Bluetooth Bluetooth 5.4, MLO, 4KQAM Internal Power Connectors 1 × 24-pin ATX Power 2 × CPU Power Connectors 1 × PCIe 8-pin Power Connector Fan Headers 1 × CPU Fan 1 × Combo Fan (Pump/System) 6 × System Fan RGB Headers 3 × Addressable V2 RGB (JARGB_V2) 1 × RGB LED (JRGB) Other Internal Headers 1 × EZ Conn-header 2 × Front Panel Headers 1 × Chassis Intrusion 1 × Front Audio 1 × TPM 2.0 Header Debug Features 4 × EZ Debug LEDs 1 × EZ Digit Debug LED Rear I/O Ports Clear CMOS Button Flash BIOS Button HDMI 2 × USB 40Gbps Type-C 1 × USB 10Gbps Type-C 4 × USB 10Gbps Type-A 3 × USB 5Gbps Type-A 4 × USB 2.0 5G LAN Port Wi-Fi/Bluetooth Antenna Connectors Audio Connectors Form Factor ATX The Samsung 990 PRO is a PCIe Gen4 NVMe SSD and still one of the fastest drives available today for under $500. Speaking of fast, sequential reads and writes are rated at 7450 MB/s and 6900 MB/s, respectively. The random throughputs for reads and writes are 1400K IOPS and 1550K IOPS, respectively. The 990 PRO is based on Samsung's 7th Gen V-NAND flash, and it too is TLC. It packs 2 gigs of LPDDR4 DRAM cache, which helps the random performance. The endurance rating for this is 1200 TBW (terabytes written), which should be sufficient for most users. The Samsung 990 PRO is compatible with the PlayStation 5, but if you are going to use the 990 PRO on a PC, check out the Samsung Magician app that lets you track your drive's health, update its firmware, customize various settings, and more. The tech specs are given below: Specification Value Interface PCIe Gen 4.0 x4, NVMe 2.0 Form Factor M.2 2280 Controller Samsung In-house Controller NAND Flash 3D TLC DRAM Cache 2GB LPDDR4 Sequential Read (Max) 7,450 MB/s Sequential Write (Max) 6,900 MB/s Random Read (4K) Up to 1,400,000 IOPS Random Write (4K) Up to 1,550,000 IOPS TBW (Endurance) 1,200 TBW MTBF 1,500,000 hours Operating Temperature 0°C to 70°C Storage Temperature -40°C to 85°C Shock Resistance 1,500G / 0.5ms Heatsink No Get the combo deal at this link: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Samsung 990 PRO 2TB, MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI motherboard, Cooler Master Elite Liquid 240: $784.99 + $25 off with promo code FTTF77: $759.99 (Sold and Shipped by Newegg US) Good to know This Newegg deal is U.S. specific, and not available in other regions unless specified. We only use first-party seller links (at the time of article publishing); ensure that you purchase from a first-party seller link only. 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