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oh...but I do have one suggestion, you know in the message window where all the option is at the top?...like..invite, send file etc?...I somehow find it a bit....crowed...you think you can spread them out a bit more?...;)

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yeah or make the icons smaller and maybe an option to remove games,block and color buttons??

thanks very much for a great theme.

Sorry to make this request, especially since you've been smart enough to make variations, but I'd love a grey one.

Oh one other thing.

I dont like the MSN Butterfly icon.

It would be much nicer if you could use the MSN Messenger icon but in the same White style.

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alright pardon the crap mockup as it's 3.30am

Here is what I would like to see.

I would like a small little circle on the top left (so you specifically click on it to make the toolbar show or not)

A light grey version with very light if no gradient at all.

(perhaps a darker border around the window.

I'd like to remove the Smiley advert since the checkbox to remove it didn't work.

Please add a spaces icon.

Please change the butterfly icon to the white msn man.

see where the email icon is? I wish that area was a closer shade to the top area as the different in color is a bit too much.

as mentioned by someone else, offline people dont show in small icon mode.

Oh this is one SUPER request that I would die for.

You know the avatars in the chat window? By default they are open. I would love it if they were closed.

So I have to click them to open them if I wanted to see it.

Guess those are my suggestions.

The Unknown, you're skin is great.

edit:

oooh ooh what about two white versions, one with a grey border, one with just a white border.

That way it could look like it's part of the wallpaper.

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i really like the actual white butterfly

when i saw the wave 11 concept pic last year i did this website www.cmmcxclusive.cjb.net it was supposed to be my blog but i quit it... with brings me to the roll overs.. i dont know is it would look nice.. but put the mouse over the links on my site.. maybe some effect like that one :s

I'm talking about the Start bar. Near the clock.

That colourfull butterfly.

It would be nicer if that was an MSN Man (white style)

"The butterfly does that already"

Actually the whole area from the butterfly to MSN Messenger does that. It would be nice if the top area had it's own indicator.

Hi theunknown,

Man it has been a while since we last chatted via IM...lol How I too missed this thread...

Your hard work and dedication on your fine 'skinning/latest project' is always appreciated my friend as I have been following your work since the very, very early beginnings @A-S...

You are handeling all/most requests/possible future features with tact and diplomacy and that is to be admired...

Cheers Mate, and I will make an attempt to briefly touch base with you via IM, hope that all is well!

:yes: ;)

P.S. Congrats on your new website...

This skin actually made me want to try MSN again after years, the default look is just plain ugly... I second the request for less space between contacts in the contact list. Otherwise I can't think of anything I'd like to change, although I'm sure there will be more improvements coming!

I haven't used MSN much (using Miranda 90% of the time) so here are two ultra-noob questions:

1) How does everyone get MSN to display just its own skin and not draw a window around it? I always have a real window (using my VS) around the contact list, whereas you guys don't, judging by the screenshots.

2) Where do I find the new 'Handwriting' thingy? I'm guessing it's not the same as 'Whiteboard'?

I'd quite like to see a more neutral version, without the colours. Like the message window area between toolbars and the status bar, but spread across the whole skin.

I like the colours, but they clash a bit against Foton and Antimatter. Personal preference though, if its too much work (ie a lot more effort than desaturating and filling some images in Photoshop) then don't worry about it. I just think its an awesome skin and I'd like to keep using it.

I'm a ###### for monochrome.

@daydream nation: Click the msn butterfly logo on the top of conversation windows, and also the contact list to toggle titlebars.

hey, first, i just have to say, I LOVE U MAN! this skin rocks! thnx dude!

ok, here follows my wishlist (if things have been mentioned before, im mentioning them again :D )

1) is there a way u can program a drop down menu thing for u to easily change the colour sheme without having to reinstall?

2) could u maybe use more wave 11 icons for the actual program? (ie taskbar icons and the like), i have some .pngs from somewhere of the wave11 logo if u need them, u could easily make m icons and even customise m. oh, and in the conversation windows, really good try at emulating those icons (invite, activities, webcam etc.) but some just dont fit, i really like the webcam one tho!

3) y didnt u make a new .jpg for the about window? y not graffiti it? uve done a smashing job! take credit!

4) im finding it really difficult telling if peeps in my buddy list r online or not, maybe u could colourise the different statuses?

otherwise, brilliance! :woot:

erm... if i think of anything else, i'll be sure to let u know, laturz

just to add one more request. What about a brushed metal one.

It'd be nice to make it look like iChat.

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srry folks, me again,

iChat style? brushed metal? Are there not enough cheap ichat knock-off skins? this is based on the next win version, and has nuthin to do with apple. personally, i dont think it would look all that good, as all the buttons r white etc. etc.

Anyways, that's just my five cents worth. toodles

Been using the skin since it was first released and I'm still loving it, even though there're some bugs that others have already reported, i.e.: the name-cut off... but there're couple things that I hope could be there in the next release:

1) "The Gleam", like one other poster said, is missing... and I hope you can have it in the next version

2) After couple days of using it, I realized that the select-then-add customize emoticon feature is no longer there... I'm not sure if it's just a bug or something, but hopefully it'll be back too

3) Like in one of mine earlier posts and like some others have said, I hope the sys-tray icon will be changed to the one of the official wave11 butterfly.

OK, those are just my ideas, and I agree with others' recommendations as well... Awesome skin, hopefully it'll be better! :)

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