Mysterious Linux

[raid517]

One or two comments. They may be appreciated, they may not be. One it is not seen as polite to post such huge images on a forum. There are a lot of people on the forums who still use modems - so posting such large images is likely to cause considerable frustration. Perhaps you might consider using an image hosting service such as Photobucket, or something similar? Second there is no need to post images at all. If you open a terminal inside the directory containing the files and type dir, this will print out a list of files contained in that directory. It is very simple to copy and paste that list of files and print it here. (At least it is much easier than posting a screenshot). You can also do this with any output from the terminal. Third what links did you find on google concerning any of these errors? 4rth do you have your kernel sources installed? Because if not I would suggest you do some research on how to install these as you will need them to do any compiling. 5th everything that comes on the DVD should still be on the CD set. The CD set is identical to the DVD - except that it is split up over several CDs. This might not be true of the 'standard' version which lacks a number of propriatory packages - but it certainly true of the Pro version - which can either be downloaded via these forums or bought online for not a particularly vast sum of money.

And that I'm afraid is all I have to add on this.

GJ

Edited May 26, 2005 by raid517

[markwolfe Veteran]

  raid517 said:

One it is not seen as polite to post such huge images on a forum. There are a lot of people on the forums who still use modems - so posting such large images is likely to cause considerable frustration

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101% agreed!

* changed inline images to links *

Also, the images were insanely large, in terms of real estate. They went over the width of what I (and many users) typically browse at. (causes annoying text readability issues as you have to pan left & right to read)

[alsheron]

Sorry for posting such HUGE images.

Thanks for the help...... Will install kernel sources........

:D

[markwolfe Veteran]

  alsheron said:

Sorry for posting such HUGE images.

Thanks for the help...... Will install kernel sources........

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Technically, the term was "humongous". ;)

As for help, there's been none from me for quite some time. You are out of my experience realm.

[Barney T. Administrators]

Please try this.....

Copy your driver to a removable disk and place it in the Linux computer. Copy the file to a new directory you make for it in your home directory. Open your new directory and where the file is, right click and choose "Install with YAST".

Let's see if this does it for you!

Barney

[alsheron]

  barneyt said:

Please try this.....

Copy your driver to a removable disk and place it in the Linux computer. Copy the file to a new directory you make for it in your home directory. Open your new directory and where the file is, right click and choose "Install with YAST".

Let's see if this does it for you!

Barney

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I just want to check with you that the "driver" or "file" you are referring to is:

fdx310-linux-01.tar -> this file?

or one in the archive?

I ask before trying to prevent from having to re-boot to be wrong.....

I've installed what i believe are the kernel sources and it's made no difference to the error messages i'm getting. Also, i've searched google for the error messages, and it turns out i'm not the only one trying to do this..... i found no solutions.... :(

Thanks! :)

[raid517]

I am sorry, but you are very far away perhaps too far away from even the most basic fundamental pricipals of Linux. You are attempting to install a tar file with Yast? Tar files can't be installed this way on an RPM based distribution. Won't you consider doing some even some basic reading on some of the fundamental differences beteen the different Linux vesrions? I promise if you do things will become much clearer to you. In case you think I'm a bad guy for suggesting this, I will even look for some useful tutorials for you if you are not prepared to look for yourself.

GJ

Edited May 26, 2005 by raid517

[alsheron]

  raid517 said:

I am sorry, but you are very far away perhaps too far away from even the most basic fundamental pricipals of Linux. You are attempting to install a tar file with Yast? Tar files can't be installed this way on an RPM based distribution. Won't you consider doing some even some basic reading on some of the fundamental differences beteen the different Linux vesrions? I promise if you do things will become much clearer to you. In case you think I'm a bad guy for suggesting this I will even look for some useful tutorials for you if you are not prepared to look for yourself.

GJ

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I was hoping to get an internet connection in Suse, learn on Suse, and most importantly, TEST out at the same time IN SUSE without having to constantly reboot and come back in through XP to search google, tutorials, forums, here.......etc.

Lets get this straight raid517, i am fully willing to READ any and everything necessary to start the slow process of learning how to use Linux. I am intrigued by linux, its very interesting...... UNDERSTAND that my point is this:

I want to read whats relevant to my problem because first and foremost i'm trying to install my modem in Linux. If i need to know the fundamental differences beteen the different Linux vesrions, great, I'll read ANYTHING that will be even remotely useful. If you haven't gathered by now that I haven't a CLUE whats relevant or not by now, then you're clearly not reading my posts properly.

I actually think it might be best if you didn't post on this thread any more because my patience with you is wearing thin, right or wrong.

You are not my teacher and I am not your student and you have no place to "reprimand" me repeatedly for not doing something. Understand?

[raid517]

Ok well just to show you I am not a bad guy - and how easy this stuff is - this is a post from a Local Linux group that I myself have visited in the past:

http://www.thisishull.net/showthread.php?t=20057

This is the search I did, which churned up a zillion hits:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=fdx310+linux

Which contains many examples of many people who have tried, are trying and have succeeded in installing this driver and multiple clear explanations on how to achieve this.

I'm simply asking how hard can this be to do even a basic serach like this? You may not like it, but I don't have your modem, nor I doubt do any/many people here. As a result we, like you would and are reduced to researching and searching Google in this way.

What I'm saying is there may not be another answer - other than to search like this - no matter how much you might want one. The answer may simply be to find someone who has had a similar problem to you - and who has found a solution.

GJ

Edited May 26, 2005 by raid517

[alsheron]

  raid517 said:

Ok well just to show you I am not a bad guy - and how easy this stuff is - this is a post from a Local Linux group that I myself hacve visited in the past:

http://www.thisishull.net/showthread.php?t=20057

This is the search I did, which churned up a zillion hits:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=fdx310+linux

Which contains many examples of many who have tried, are trying and have succeeded in installing this driver and clear explanations on how to achieve this.

I'm simply asking how hard can this be to do even a basic serach like this? You may not like it, but I don't have your modem, nor I doubt do any/many people here. As a result we, like you would and are reduced to reasearching and searching Google in this way.

What I'm saying is there may not be another answer - other than to search like this - no matter how much you might want one. The answer may simply be to find someone who has had a similar problem to you - and who has found a solution.

GJ

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Thanks for your help.... :)

I genuinely thought there was a standard, simple solution that i'd overlooked. Obviously i was wrong and it's quite an "involved", detailed process. One which i wasn't expecting and know nothing about.

I have yet to find any explanations of how driver installs work in linux, despite my googling.....

Thanks again.... :)

[raid517]

Well if I told you how driver installs work in Linux, you would probably accuse me of sounding like a broken record. :) So perhaps I won't bother. However in general the answer is, it depends on the Linux version, on the particular distribution, on the hardware you are using and on the specific package types, .rpm .tar .deb, on the package manager you are using, Yast, Yum, apt-get (or any one of a dozen others) or whatever.

The answer is that it isn't so much that there is no one single standard way to install drivers in Linux - rather there are several standard ways. And each of these ways usually demands it's own unique set of conditions. Which means you need the right libraries, the right utilities, the correct compiler tools and so on - which again (to a degree) may differ somewhat from distribution to distribution. (And all of these things need to be found out by you, the user).

It might seem terribly fragmented at times - and I agree that sometimes it does feel that way. But the idea is that Linux is about choice - and instead of only having one choice in the world of Windows, you have literally dozens upon dozens of different choices in the world of Linux.

You can't ever tell Linux developers to 'knock their heads together' either and come up with a single way of doing things - because first this defeats the principal of choice - and second because open source will not allow for this - as even if all the major Linux companies joined forces - it is virtually guranteed that someone somewhere disagree with this and would take the code and produce a fork - and then there would be a fork of this fork - and then another fork and so on.

That is kind of (in many ways) what open source means.

In any case here again is a simple search I did of google which contains links to many tutorials on how linux drivers work and another on Linux package management. These really are fundamental topics - and there is undoubtedly a vast body of information out there that you can easily access.

A quick solution for you however would be to buy a network card and an ADSL modem/router and simply quit trying with your current modem, if you find it too hard to do. Routers don't care what hardware you have. Also they don't need internal drivers.

GJ

Edited May 26, 2005 by raid517

[Barney T. Administrators]

  alsheron said:

I just want to check with you that the "driver" or "file" you are referring to is:

fdx310-linux-01.tar      -> this file?

or one in the archive?

I ask before trying to prevent from having to re-boot to be wrong.....

I've installed what i believe are the kernel sources and it's made no difference to the error messages i'm getting. Also, i've searched google for the error messages, and it turns out i'm not the only one trying to do this..... i found no solutions....  :(

Thanks!  :)

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Sorry, just got home......... and saw your post. RAID517 has the info you need. YAST won't install .tar files............. Just check out his posts. He spent lots of time gathering the information he put up here!

Barney

[Deanobear]

my 2 cents worth... ;) being new to linux myself I found it daunting at first, googling helped, found some great resource guides for different distros, etc, but my best info/insights have come from here.

I checked out that brand of modem, seems fairly old as fujitsu has even stopped making drivers for OS X, won't work with anything over "Jaguar", Panther and Tiger users are up crap creek without a paddle if they're using it. If you're serious about using linux and eventually converting right over, find a distro that supports it right out of the box. Suse is great, I tried it once, worked a treat, but couldn't stay connected to the net, kept on cutting out, so instead of ripping my hair out, I tried Ubuntu/Kubuntu, awesome distro, even had my obscure cable client "bpalogin" on the distro cd. Or if you really must stick with Suse, have you thought about getting a newer modem? I know it might sound an "easy way out", but coming from XP myself I found it frustrating at first, then I thought... what system have I got, what distro supports ALL my hardware, and take it from there. It's great being able to do all that command line driven stuff, compiling drivers, etc, but I soon realised that using linux is like using Pantene shampoo... won't hapen over night, but it will happen! ;)

[Miuku.]

Your choice of distribution has nothing to do with your device drivers, you could be using a built-from scratch Linux package and you'd get the same support as from 10 Ubuntus.

Switching distros to get "device driver" support is completely retarded. That's why you can recompile the kernel or add modules.

[alsheron]

Update:

I admit I finally gave up trying to work out how to get my crappy modem working in Suse and used a router i have instead. Now my dual boot system set up has net access for both suse and XP, and i'm happy (for now)...... and very relieved.

I was not prepared to spend months on end trying to figure out how to get my FDX310 working under suse because as raid517 made abundantly clear, doing that quickly and in my particular situation was trying to "run before i could walk".

Having to compile drivers, coming from a Windows world i know inside out is both tedious and complicated, although with obvious benefits. The tedium and complication will be far less pronounced when i start going through some tutorials and material.

For now, I have a basic suse 9.3 distro up and running in a dual boot set up with net acces (which is what i wanted as a starting point).... :D

Also, for raid517, i've definitely not given up on learning Linux, although i came very close. This is just the start (hopefully), and now i can read tutorials on the net (in suse) and then try them out straight away (in suse) and if i'm not sure about what i just read and tried, i can go back and re-read the info (in suse)!!!...... :D I'm a happy man!

Thanks for the support getting me off the ground people!....... I may have taken a different route eventually, but everyone's input for this has been superb, and very much appreciated.... :) Thank you!

Now comes the hard part...... :ninja:

[raid517]

Lol well I did suggest using a router, but perhaps you missed it? :D In any case I'm glad you are up and running! It is a very steep learning curve for sure but again I always just viewed it as a game or a puzzle. With each new complication that arrose, I made the whole point of it to find ways to overcome it. Even now after 4 years I am still learning - and there is still much to learn. Though now at least I can set up a fully working Linux desktop with some very cool features in a day or two - which is a hell of a lot faster than the many months it used to take when I first started.

Have fun!

GJ

[Gowcra]

  markjensen said:

Take up the off-topic bickering about "tones" and "effort" directly with each other in the PM system. :crazy:

I don't want to see it here.

EDIT:  Some clean-up performed and posts removed.

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Thanks Mate..... I was getting sick of it....... Raid..... please please dont start with anyone..... just be helpful..

I have a N00b question about linux...... sorry to hijack... its a simple question tho.......... what is a complier? like teh topic starter... windows has been holding my hand for too long also :cry: sorry for my stupidty!

[raid517]

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Raid..... please please dont start with anyone..... just be helpful..

Now hang on. Does anyone here seriously think I have been anything but helpful? I gave up a whole day yesterday doing my utmost to be helpful. (and spending a lot of time being abused for my efforts too).

Sigh..

Oh well...

FYI a 'compiler' is exactly what it says, it takes the basic source code for an application and compiles in into a working program - which is generally then tailored to match your working kernel and to work specifically with your individual system configuration. (What kind of processor you have, which kernel you are running, which libraries you have installed and so on).

Am I guenuinely alone in thinking that these are not really Linux related issues? We have a FAQ section on Neowin - and there are FAQ's like this all over the web. I always simply assumed that this was the best place to find out information such as this.

You might think that this is harsh - but it is certainly fair.

I may though have been very wrong in assuming that the resources that are there are there for a very good reason.

To be honest I am beginning to wonder if maybe I was wrong? Perhaps I really should just give in?

GJ

Edited May 27, 2005 by raid517

[Gowcra]

Thanks Raid.... THATS being helpful.

[Miuku.]

I think Raid should apply for a job as a hel(l/p)desk :D

[raid517]

Lol well maybe... :) Perhaps I just have a very hard time of it? I mean I seem to remember being on a number of forums when I first started with Linux where if a question was asked where there seemed to be strong evidence that the poster had made no attempt to read any FAQ's or to study any tutorials, the post either got deleted or the subject was locked.

It was things like that which quickly taught me how to read.

GJ

[markwolfe Veteran]

Sometimes things flare up when different personality types, learning methods and experience levels all mix together in a forum where you can't ever really see what efforts others have or have not put into Linux.

I'm just glad that everyone was able to work it out in the end without anyone getting BANNED by me! :p

Group hug, anyone? :unsure:

[CaKeY]

Get away from me you hippy!

hehe

[raid517]

Damned hippies! Lol. ;)

GJ

[raid517]

Anyway Mark, I may not be into the 'peace and love' approach, but I do give out the bottom line. Which I think at the end of the day is all that is really needed. And I do think I give reasonably decent and helpful advice.

Tough but fair is I think how I would see the advice I give. I don't have time to make things sound more 'flowery' than they often need to be, particularly when frequently they are simply factual statements - and I confess I am probably a little too old and a little too set in my ways to change now.

I am sorry that sometimes some people might find this hard to take. But I personally don't know any better or faster way to learn than the way that I have personally learned.

Indeed if there really is another way, I confess I am not even sure exactly what that different approach is.

GJ

Edited May 27, 2005 by raid517