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The IE7 LH design is ugly to me.

I prefer traditional tabs compared to the blue ones.

The menu bar wastes space and the icons look out of place at the nenu bar.

The interface doesn't look like Firefox's or Safari's to me.

The search bar beside the address bar seems to be the way all browsers are going.

The RSS display looks similar to Safari's but Safari's seems to have more functions.

Also IE will have jillions of security issues starting off and always will. I've only known Firefox to have one security issue that I know of. IE will have some sort of script issue and issues out the *ss about hackers walking in through the front door or back door of the users system.

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What are you smoking?

Firefox has had 15 security issues In 2005, and Internet Explorer has had 8 In 2005.

Firefox - 2005

http://secunia.com/product/4227/#advisories_2005

Internet Explorer - 2005

http://secunia.com/product/11/#advisories_2005

:)

What are you smoking?

Firefox has had 15 security issues In 2005, and Internet Explorer has had 8 In 2005.

Firefox - 2005

http://secunia.com/product/4227/#advisories_2005

Internet Explorer - 2005

http://secunia.com/product/11/#advisories_2005

:)

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BRAVO!

Finally someone... ugh... smart!

(I'm not saying that the rest is stupid, so do not flame me)

So, let's be clear that I'm using Firefox. Why? I like it, because I can make it look like I want. Later, I discovered tebbed browsing and other tricks. My point is, everyone has a right to use whatever he wants for whatever usage and reason. Let's face it. Like I saw on this site, someone said: If somebody invents a gear, that means others do not have the right to use it? You are talking like these are browsers invented by you, not for you. So, you must accept every inovation (For IE, RSS for example is inovative) because IT IS MADE FOR YOU! The fact that they forgot about IE developing, well, now isn't important. And why is everyone so mad about MS? They did something to you? Did they broke your leg? No, they gave you (for a SMALL charge) Windows. You are not obligated to use it. But you are using it(except from those who are not)? You also have Linux, serve yourself.

I am excited to see if IE 7 is good. I am sure that it will be since MS seems to be running scared now that it has some direct competition that it CANNOT just ignore (i.e. FF, Google). I am willing to bet that MS is waking up and realizing that they have to really start putting their effort into making quality products for its users. I am willing to give IE 7 a try (because, hey it could be great) I just hope that is offers some fo the same adoptability that FF offers. If it doesn't I will probably still use FF. Not because I am a FanBoy, but because I love greasemonkey and all the other FF extensions out there.

Did anyone noticed that when he clicked the "plus" icon to add the feed, the browser continued to present the feed to the user ? That seems kind of unnatural to me :/ In fact, I don't like the fact that they're using the same methafor for adding favorites and adding rss feeds...

I think a button named subscribe in the right side of the screen when the feed get's presented would actually stand for a better usability than clicking the + symbol...

What are you smoking?

Firefox has had 15 security issues In 2005, and Internet Explorer has had 8 In 2005.

Firefox - 2005

http://secunia.com/product/4227/#advisories_2005

Internet Explorer - 2005

http://secunia.com/product/11/#advisories_2005

:)

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The *number* of security issues, by itself, means little, of course. (Unless it is zero.)

"The report shows the Firefox browser was only exposed to a publicly known vulnerability without a patch for 65 days in 2004; IE, on the other hand, was safe for only seven days last year."

http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3494316

"In sum, FF had 65 days of 24 hour security vulnerability while IE has 358 days of 24 hour security vulnerability which makes FF 500% more secure than IE."

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"Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.x with all vendor patches installed and all vendor workarounds applied, is currently affected by one or more Secunia advisories rated Highly critical "

http://secunia.com/product/11/

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"Mozilla Firefox 1.x with all vendor patches installed and all vendor workarounds applied, is currently affected by one or more Secunia advisories rated Moderately critical "

http://secunia.com/product/4227/

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Well, as far as the search field next to address "look", Safari, Firefox, and now IE 7 are all copying Opera which had a search fields integrated in the address bar since forever! :whistle:

This is no news; IE is so late to the party even washing the beer glasses has finished. Firefox, Safari and Opera and probably even Lynx ( :devil: ) have integrated RSS already...

IE7 will almost certainly still contain a bloated and troublesome rendering engine (really the whole point of a HTML browser!); it will still fall far short of the advanced standards compliance of Gecko (Firefox), Presto (Opera) and Webkit (Safari). No amount of theft of UI ideas from other products can overcome the shoddy heart of IE/win.

I have a dumb question for all of those who think Microsoft is copying Firefox and Safari...

If you take RSS and Tabs out of Safari and Firefox, it really looks like Internet Explorer, Safari, Firefox, et al. copied the original Netscape Communicator.

How many ways do you expect people to reinvent the browser? The browser concept will be similar wherever you look. If IE7 didn't look like this.. you guys would just say, "I'll stick with Safari/FireFox because their tab/rss implimentations are done so much better then IE's".

Ford, Toyota, BMW, all use the same round wheels on their vehichles.. no one complains they are copying each ohter.

I have a dumb question for all of those who think Microsoft is copying Firefox and Safari...

If you take RSS and Tabs out of Safari and Firefox, it really looks like Internet Explorer, Safari, Firefox, et al. copied the original Netscape Communicator.

How many ways do you expect people to reinvent the browser?  The browser concept will be similar wherever you look.  If IE7 didn't look like this.. you guys would just say, "I'll stick with Safari/FireFox because their tab/rss implimentations are done so much better then IE's".

Ford, Toyota, BMW, all use the same round wheels on their vehichles.. no one complains they are copying each ohter.

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Yeah, I agree with you there Ryan. There is only so much you can do with a browser. Who cares what it looks like anyway right? The important thing is the engine, and no matter how it LOOKS like they "copied" this browser or that, they are still the ones that do the MSIE engine. What they do with that, and how the program acts/performs is the important part, not what it looks like. Besides, you can customize whatever you want in the actual window. If you want something that looks different, wait'll Longhorn.

IE7 will almost certainly still contain a bloated and troublesome rendering engine (really the whole point of a HTML browser!); it will still fall far short of the advanced standards compliance of Gecko (Firefox), Presto (Opera) and Webkit (Safari). No amount of theft of UI ideas from other products can overcome the shoddy heart of IE/win.

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Are you a web developer? I am. I have a lot more trouble making web pages look good in Safari and Opera then I have making them look good in IE and Gecko.

I have a Javascript dropdown thing on Bink.nu, and it totally fails under Safari. So what did I do? Instead of wasting days figuring out a way to make it work all over, I pop up a box saying the pulldown is not compatible with Safari.

Safari and Opera are an order of magnitude harder to work with compared to IE and Gekco based browsers. I admire your idealism, but in practice your ideals are totally off.

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