Internet Explorer 7 Screenshots

[AJerman]

Are you a web developer?  I am.  I have a lot more trouble making web pages look good in Safari and Opera then I have making them look good in IE and Gecko.

I have a Javascript dropdown thing on Bink.nu, and it totally fails under Safari.  So what did I do?  Instead of wasting days figuring out a way to make it work all over, I pop up a box saying the pulldown is not compatible with Safari. 

Safari and Opera are an order of magnitude harder to work with compared to IE and Gekco based browsers.  I admire your idealism, but in practice your ideals are totally off.

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Yeah, I don't even really bother with testing EVERY browser with websites I make. I test IE and Firefox, because they are the main two that are most used (Well, I can't test Safari because I don't have a mac ;)). Past that, I don't have time to check with Opera because I don't have time to follow up and fix issues with browsers that don't work properly, and are used so little.

The bottom line is, I follow specification guidelines. My websites are written in Strict XHML, it's up to browsers to support that, and IE and Firefox rarely have problems if you do it that way. If I want to add something out of spec, then I would test with more browsers, because I'm using potentially unsupported code that is my responsibility to make sure works.

[Rudy]

Yeah, I don't even really bother with testing EVERY browser with websites I make. I test IE and Firefox, because they are the main two that are most used (Well, I can't test Safari because I don't have a mac ;)). Past that, I don't bother with Opera because I don't have time to follow up and fix issues with browsers that don't work as they should.

The bottom line is, I follow specification guidelines. My websites are written in Strict XHML, it's up to browsers to support that, and IE and Firefox rarely have problems if you do it that way.

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uh....no, opera has its own engine...

[Neil]

Hvae question will you be able to have custome search engines or will it use the MSN one?

[Gott]

Are you a web developer?  I am.  I have a lot more trouble making web pages look good in Safari and Opera then I have making them look good in IE and Gecko.

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Well, if you're Ryan Hoffman and responsible for http://www.extended64.com/ (as written in your profile) you also seem to have some issues making websites look good in Internet Explorer and Gecko!

This site is best viewed with a 1024x768 or higher screen resolution

Well, even with a maximzed browser window, without any sidepanels and on the recommended resolution of 1024x768 you cannot read the website without scrolling vertically and horizontally! That can hardly be an intended user experience and is absolutely unnecessary.

And there is just so much wrong with the javascript on bink.nu that I don't know where to start. There is nothing on bink.nu that cannot be done with standard compliant DOM 2.0 / JS 1.5 which works fine on most current browsers including IE 5+ and Safari / KHTML. You're using so much MS specific JS that it's just sad. That's also why the JS-skript is bloated with code for specific user agents instead of just using code that doesn't require any check's like that (if you ignore IE 4.x or netscape 4.x, which you're doing anyways and which is quite save to do).

[Ryan Hoffman]

Ironically, extended64 shows no horizontal scroll bar on Safari (I just tested it now..)

Funny, eh? ;-)

[Jase]

pathetic (N)

[mac15]

pathetic (N)

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Really? Any reason for you thinking its pathetic?

[Nomad_]

The *number* of security issues, by itself, means little, of course. (Unless it is zero.)

"The report shows the Firefox browser was only exposed to a publicly known vulnerability without a patch for 65 days in 2004; IE, on the other hand, was safe for only seven days last year."

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Firefox 1.0 was released on November 9 of 2004, all builds before that were betas. (Preview Builds)

:)

[NetRyder]

Really? Any reason for you thinking its pathetic?

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It's these one-word replies that are pathetic, actually. :)

I don't know how many people actually took the time to watch the C9 video before posting, but it seems like many of you are missing the point of the Gnomedex announcement by a mile.

This isn't about MSFT playing catch-up. Sure, RSS support has existed for a while in Opera, Firefox and Safari. IE7's implementation looks quite a bit like Safari's. Agreed there too. Why reinvent the wheel when there's already a great implementation available. Besides, there are only so many ways you can present an RSS feed to a user in a coherent manner. In any case, what's really significant about the announcement is the platform model for RSS that's being built into the OS. That's the really cool stuff; that's the stuff that hasn't been done before - the concept of a single data store for all your subscribed feeds that's tied to your user profile, and that's freely accessible through a set of available API's by any third-party application that wants to be RSS-enabled.

The Gnomedex keynote presentation and the C9 video highlighted some of the scenarios that are made possible by this framework. So you're surfing the web and you subscribe to a bunch of feeds that contain a variety of enclosures, including photos, music/podcasts, a list of events, etc. Your subscription list becomes available to any RSS-enabled app installed on your system. So your screensaver could pull images dynamically from a photoblog's feed; your media player could pull media files embedded into feeds to enable podcasting support; your PIM could pull events and meeting times from a feed and automatically add them to your calendar and todo lists. Due to the very nature of RSS, it would even reflect any changes that are made, so you're always in sync. And of course, your standalone news aggregator could pull regular text feeds from your favorite news sources and blogs. The beauty of this approach is that it's one single, common data store for all your feeds. It does away with redundancy, and since it's easily accessible via an available API, any third-party software can tie into it.

Then of course, there's the extension to the RSS standard for lists, which are similar, but work slightly differently from regular feeds. I won't go into that since there's plenty of information already available on the web from some authoritative sources, including Dave Winer, who was essentially responsible for the pioneering work in blogging, syndication, enclosures/podcasting, OPML and aggregators. The point is, even people like him are impressed with the work that Microsoft is doing here.

So a word of advise - before you jump and post something, stop, look around the web, watch the videos, listen to the podcasts, read the reactions of Gnomedex attendees, and get a clear picture of what's going on. You'll end up being much more informed and you won't have to resort to "pathetic" one-word posts. ;)

Edited June 26, 2005 by NetRyder

[neostyle]

In any case, what's really significant about the announcement is the platform model for RSS that's being built into the OS. That's the really cool stuff; that's the stuff that hasn't been done before - the concept of a single data store for all your subscribed feeds that's tied to your user profile, and that's freely accessible  through a set of available API's by any third-party application that wants to be RSS-enabled.

and yes its all coming together in one hand under one name . its always the same story . i see a new threat on the horizon ....

[jphillips59]

and yes its all coming together in one hand under one name . its always the same story . i see a new threat on the horizon ....

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As long as the APIs are publicly (Accuratly & Fully) documented it shouldn't be a problem. Anyone can access it....and it doesn't preclude you from keeping your own store, just makes it easy to share...

[megamanXplosion]

From what I've seen, Internet Explorer 7 will only be slightly better than Internet Explorer 6. I do mean "slightly." The overall progress that has been made with Internet Explorer 7 is depressing.

The rendering engine has had some show-stopping bugs fixed in it, but relative standards support will remain poor. Web designers currently have to devote a lot of time and effort to work around Internet Explorer's lack of standards-compliancy. The extra work usually results in sites being more expensive and longer to construct; more expensive and harder to maintain or redesign; and the overall user experience plummits because the resulting sites are bloated with extraneous (X)HTML, CSS, and JavaScript (or "JScript", as Microsoft calls it) and the extra bloat makes the sites much slower for end users and cost much more to keep online for visitors.

Speaking of standards support, I found it moderately funny earlier when someone said they had no problems writing valid XHTML for Internet Explorer. It is *impossible* to write valid XHTML because it requires the XHTML mimetype to be sent and that causes Internet Explorer to choke. When Internet Explorer chokes, it prompts the user to download the XHTML page instead of render it. If the page is working in Internet Explorer then that is because it is rendered as an HTML 4 document in quirks mode.

I wish the Internet Explorer team would stop working on extending RSS support to do things it wasn't meant to do. All of the things they are touting that will be possible with the enhanced RSS support is already available to us, they are simply wasting their time. Bundling RSS support into the operating system is a good idea, but the effort they are putting into making it a publicly-usable API is pointless; it's not exactly hard for a programmer to find a powerful XML parser if they actually intended to use RSS (plus, if an exploit occurs to the RSS API then it would effect almost everything, whereas individual solutions wouldn't be as vulnerable.) The majority of people that will be creating RSS feeds are web designers and RSS is always a smaller priority than getting the site working (so they should fix their standards-compliancy issues first.) Don't get me wrong, I love RSS - what I don't love is extraneous effort being put in to create a universal API for an XML parser that totally defies the RSS standard and claims that it is an RSS API (oops, another standards-compliancy problem we'll undoubtedly have problems with for the next decade.)

I'm not impressed with the security of Internet Explorer either. They keep touting the least-privilege user access system and protected administrator system as features of Internet Explorer 7. Those aren't Internet Explorer features, they're Longhorn features. All of the applications running under Longhorn will have this extra layer of protection. They keep touting their efforts to prevent phishing attacks, what are they? Perhaps you could start by fixing all of the spoofing issues in the interface: the status bar can be spoofed, the title bar can be spoofed, the whole document can be spoofed, dialogs can be spoofed, the "save picture as" dialog can be spoofed, I'll just say that everything can be spoofed just to keep things simple. All of the "security enhancements" I've heard about Internet Explorer is hype, nothing of substance.

As far as I can see, this is just Internet Explorer 6 with a few fixes and unneeded additions. That's just my opinion, anyways.

[TomislavXP]

Anyway, what is RSS?

[Sammyinnit]

hmmmm i don't think so "Super duper ultracat",and obviously the IE7 looks better

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LMAO. IE7 looks so similar to the Mac browser. :laugh: Microsoft suck.

[TomislavXP]

You look like somebody I don't know. You suck.

What is RSS, seriously?

[Sammyinnit]

You look like somebody I don't know. You suck.

What is RSS, seriously?

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www.google.com you tard.

[Sammyinnit]

goooo... what?

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:huh: Eh?

[TomislavXP]

goooo... what?

[mad_onion]

would people please stop with the "this is similar to firefox" thing its getting really tiresome now. i can understand reasons for choices of browser but that isnt a reason to choose one over another. it seems to me it is just people complaining that ie might gain some ground back on firefox and you shouldnt care about that (unless you are a fanboy) i use ie because it loads fastest on my machine and renders all pages correctly and i now none of this is microsofts doing but neither is firefox being more secure. it is only more secure because less people are using it and it might have 500% less insecure time (even though this figure is wrong because that includes beta time) than ie but ie has about 9 times the number of users than firefox has so it makes sense.

i am looking forward to having rss support in ie though it will be great :)

[PureLogic]

I don't want to start a flamewar really, but appearance-wise I don't see anything special about it.

[NeoXY]

You've got that right. The UI looks almost identical, save some artwork here and there. :/

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hehe...shows you the IE7 team have not been using only IE?... :laugh: :laugh: :shifty: :shifty:

[BajiRav]

I don't want to start a flamewar really, but appearance-wise I don't see anything special about it.

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There is nothing wrong with current IE's appearance and it has a really nice UI. What they need to fix is the IE engine and hence it won't show on the surface :shifty:

For those complaining that MS needs to get IE right first and forget RSS platform API etc etc...keep in mind that apparently from c9 video, RSS team is different from IE team. :rolleyes:

[Sammyinnit]

it seems to me it is just people complaining that ie might gain some ground back on firefox

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Neeever happen.

[sk8er_boi6000]

Anyway, what is RSS?

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RSS = Really Simple Syndication. It is a simple way of syndicating things such as blogs, news feeds, and so on

[megamanXplosion]

For those complaining that MS needs to get IE right first and forget RSS platform API etc etc...keep in mind that apparently from c9 video, RSS team is different from IE team.

I know they're a different team, they need to merge the RSS and IE developers into a single IE-team so the most important web-based application isn't another peice of crap.