Joseph Zollo Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 Lets take a look at X.2... About 60% OS X, original release About 15% OS X.1, second release About 25% OS X.2, third release You've already paid for about 75% of whats in X.2, 25% is the new features, thus you should only be paying 25% of the price, which is around 35$ And I think we can ALL agree that 35$ is a reasonable price. But steve jobs wants to charge you 129$, for things you have ALREADY PAID FOR. Now tell me this, why are you paying for what you already paid for? Apple would be wise to release an UPGRADE version of OS X.2, with only the updates on it (like X.1). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzla Veteran Posted July 22, 2002 Veteran Share Posted July 22, 2002 Originally posted by JZolloXP Lets take a look at X.2... About 60% OS X, original release About 15% OS X.1, second release About 25% OS X.2, third release You've already paid for about 75% of whats in X.2, 25% is the new features, thus you should only be paying 25% of the price, which is around 35$ And I think we can ALL agree that 35$ is a reasonable price. But steve jobs wants to charge you 129$, for things you have ALREADY PAID FOR. Now tell me this, why are you paying for what you already paid for? Apple would be wise to release an UPGRADE version of OS X.2, with only the updates on it (like X.1). Haha, I love the way you just come up with figures like that off the top of your head :rolleyes: :right: So, because Windows XP has a taskbar, start button, basic media playing facilities etc. does that mean that all those people have just payed for what they already have? Are you seriously trying to tell me that there is nearly $400 of new stuff in windows XP to make me buy it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockz Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 Originally posted by Amadeke Schokz, I guess all programs on your PC are paid, lol I am not justifying warez, but it made M$ big. If they continue the .NET strategie, things as Linux will grow. Software developers make you pay to correct the mistakes they made or for things they "forgot", cool eh. hmm... well there are probably going to countinue with the .net stragity, so yes... Linux will probably get some more people that usualy would have warezed Windows. lol... yep. no warez on this computer. I must be one of the small percent of this site that doesn't have any warez on my pc. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailgreg Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 Then of course there's 2k to XP, having used both OS's at both home and a work environment I would gladly stick my head on the line and say the upgrade from 10.1 to 10.2 is bigger then 2k to XP. I'm sure many would agree. Yeah, XP is hardly any better :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockz Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 As other people have said... Windows 2000 = 5.0 Windows XP = 5.1 Just a .1 increase, just like the mac os. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtmcgee Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 IF you buy your mac between MWNY and august 24... not a true upgrade. Originally posted by BlindLabel013 It's $120.00 to buy and $19.99 to upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KayMan2K Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 Originally posted by shockz As other people have said... Windows 2000 = 5.0 Windows XP = 5.1 Just a .1 increase, just like the mac os. Exactly.. why pay $100 for a slight increase to WinXP? Its how the monopoly OS companies work (Windows is to the PC as MacOS is to Apple Hardware.. they are both monopolies on their platforms.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtmcgee Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 i think what irks most mac users (myself included) is the fact that there is not an upgrade price. new, OS 10.2 is going to be worth the $120. but, what about us who bought a system with OSX a year ago, or purchased OSX a year ago? i don't think that is a very fair price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzla Veteran Posted July 22, 2002 Veteran Share Posted July 22, 2002 Originally posted by wtmcgee i think what irks most mac users (myself included) is the fact that there is not an upgrade price. new, OS 10.2 is going to be worth the $120. but, what about us who bought a system with OSX a year ago, or purchased OSX a year ago? i don't think that is a very fair price. Yeah, I understand. Looking at it from a new users point of view, $129 for a new OS is a good price. I myself only bought my iMac in April but now I have an additional $129 cost. You can always grab the edu version for $69, and there is a federal employee version for around that price. And if you're that way inclined I'm sure they'll be available on the net, add this to the fact that Apple doesn't have serial numbers or any form of WPA make it easier and less hassle then XP. Personally I'm gonna try and grab the edu version, I've also seen loads of other users ordering the edu version (even though they're not a student) direct from the Apple store claiming that Apple didn't require ID as long as you entered a valid college and city/state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unspec Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 I've also seen loads of other users ordering the edu version (even though they're not a student) Yes, you don't have to be a student. :) Like myself. (ICT support for a secondary school) -- unspec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzla Veteran Posted July 22, 2002 Veteran Share Posted July 22, 2002 Originally posted by unspec Yes, you don't have to be a student. :) Like myself. (ICT support for a secondary school) -- unspec Yeah I know, but the I'm talking about people with no connection to edu at all, just trying to blag it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwarren Veteran Posted July 22, 2002 Veteran Share Posted July 22, 2002 Originally posted by unspec Yes, you don't have to be a student. :) Like myself. (ICT support for a secondary school) -- unspec You do the same thing as I do till I get a diff job, temporary at the mo :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoke Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 I find it interesting that people bash Microsoft for the (good) features they add to Windows yet when Apple adds them to their operating system people praise them for their innovation. I guess it's just hip and cool to bash microsoft no matter what. Like them bundling ichat, integrating quicktime into the OS and cd burning into the finder. When MS bundled the equivalent things to that people cried foul and bashed them. Except when they bundled basic skinning. If they didn't include those things then people would have bashed them for not having as much funcitonality as the competition. So there is no winning for them. There are people who still claim that Windows bluescreens 10 times a day though that is true about 9x that's not nessasarily true about an NT based windows. I do think however that there are enough features to warrent paying for them in the new MacOSX update nobody needs to diminish the updates that where put into WindowsXP over Win2k in order to justify it. Just like the new MacOSX has more than just a couple of new utilities and icons WindowsXP has more than just a prettier interface over Win2k. I know because not only did it loook better but it fixed a few issues that I had with win2k (like it not booting at all because of something it didn't like in my bios that couldn't be disabled) and it fixed my friends compatibility issues with some games and hardware under win2k. I do also agree though that the people who warez a OS or program can't complain because they didn't buy the right to complain. Oh yeah, and you don't need longhorn for hardware acceleration under XP, if you have a decent video card with decent drivers transparency is accelerated and with windowblinds skinning is too... then if you add windowfx2 you can have direct3d accelerated special effects. And even though the first 2 arent being done by direct3d or opengl they still offload the task from your cpu and make it faster. And BTW I'm not bashing either OS, I'm just pointing out that in both cases there are more than just fluff in the updates. Ok, rant over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzla Veteran Posted July 22, 2002 Veteran Share Posted July 22, 2002 Originally posted by smoke Oh yeah, and you don't need longhorn for hardware acceleration under XP, if you have a decent video card with decent drivers transparency is accelerated and with windowblinds skinning is too... then if you add windowfx2 you can have direct3d accelerated special effects. And even though the first 2 arent being done by direct3d or opengl they still offload the task from your cpu and make it faster. I'm perfectly aware of these apps, and windows FX 2 is a fantastic example. But I was talking about integration in the OS. Either way I have to agree with all your points, XP is a fantastic OS and my favorite version of windows, I too had issues with 2k and my computer and I am all to aware of the difference, I was just pointing out to the mac bashers that might not be quite so aware of the improvements in either 10.2 OR XP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linux2 Posted July 24, 2002 Share Posted July 24, 2002 Originally posted by Timan well most people thought it was going to be called os 10.5 but just .2 so that means there is still alot in store for os 10, i really can't wait till tehy drop aqua ;) Why should they drop it? It's pretty easy (at least prior to 10.2) to change the appearance. As a brand new mac user, I am a little upset that they haven't provided current users a lower priced upgrade path. As for speed improvements. . .what exactly is speedier? Most things on my eMac open almost instanteously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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