Help me reassure my IT teacher..

[teh h4x0r5]

Hey all,

So I was asked to make a logo for the business documents I have to make as part of my GCSE Applied IT course, and since they only had Photoshop 7 available on the network (Not even properly, we get access denied while trying to access it :p), I decided to do it on CS2 at home. So I made it but then I couldn't find any media to store it on so I decided to turn on IIS for XP, I allowed access from my school IP in ZoneAlarm, wrote down my current IP, and set off to school. I knew I would have to login with my XP logon username and password, I have to do that when I access http://localhost from the machine itself when using Opera..

However, Internet Explorer doesn't prompt me to login from the actual machine. Well anyway, I went to my IP from school and sure enough, it worked, it prompted me to login, however, this had a prompt for 'Domain' too. I used my username and password exactly as in Opera and my XP logon screen, and I tried 'localhost', the name of my computer - 'CONQUER', 'CONQUER/NT', 'XP', 'xp', and a couple of other things, but it just kept denying me access. So I suppose my first question is what domain is used on XP running IIS 5?

Anyways, more to the point of the thread title; my teacher oversaw me typing in http://84.x.x.x into the address bar and asked me what I was trying to access. I told her straight, 'my home PC', I said. 'My coursework is on there'. She then told me to come off it as it 'could spread viruses to the network'. So I said, 'Well when you access google.com, all it is doing is resolving it to it's IP (64.233.187.99), so when you go to http://64.233.187.99, it does exactly the same thing.' - she wouldn't have any of it.. in fact, so much so that she walked away half way through me explaining it. Then I saw her at dinner talking to my head of year and they kept glancing at me.. about this I think. While still in IT, I showed her my first draft which I had uploaded to some space (http://www.fgt-tracker.com/healthyfx), she saw the 'Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.fgt-tracker.com Port 80' and immediately decided that that site too would spread viruses over the network.

*Sigh*, can some of you reassure her that she is wrong please? ..I'd love to show her this thread. :p

Thanks in advance guys,

-Danny.

[green_geeky_dude]

Your teacher is an idiot.

There are so many ways for a virus to enter a network which has access to the net that accessing a webserver you have running at home makes no difference at all.

In addition if you Teacher "I cough and use that term in a loose sense" doesnt understand IP addressing and that Apache is one of the major backbones of the internet we know today they should maybe consider changing career, say maybe McDonald's.

Good luck in Teaching your Teacher :woot:

[samg]

firstly, what is she doing teaching IT!?

i love it when i prove someone who is in IT wrong, mainly sales people ! ha. But when its teachers, its actually quit sad... what they teach everyone.

I think she needs a basic lesson in how the internet world works, better yet, the real world.

the fact that YOU were logged on to the school network (which proberly logs everything) dialing your OWN PC to get course work for HER, shouldnt of been a big problem.

Slap her for me when you next see her. :rofl: :pinch:

[garethevans1986]

Open IIS, Right Click ont he "Default Website" then go to Directory Security -> Edit and remove the tick from the "Windows Authorisation" box......

Apply -> OK

As for her being an ass.....anything she doesn't understand because shes only qualified as a GCSE IT teacher she will class it as wrong, my IT teacher was the same........approach the Network Admin and it's acctually him who can tell you what your doing is wrong/insecure or whatever and not her.

ChocIST

Edited November 17, 2005 by ChocIST

[Nick Sheldon]

Nope...she's right...

Consider yourself expelled.

:p

[russ0943]

why didn't u just email it to a web based email or sumn? Or get a cdr from someone. Or use a thumbdrive? or anything else that is less complicated...?

[AltecXP]

your IT teacher is WAY to paranoid, we VPN into our home boxes at work all the time, my bosses LIKE that i know how to do that, and I work in the IT dept.

While TECHNICLY she is right, she is way to paranoid. and does not seem to know anyhtign about IP addresses.

[Nick Sheldon]

On a more serious note.

The school should have all ports blocked except for http 80 or http 8080, and all ftp access should be blocked too.

Tell them to get their place locked down, and they shouldn't have any need to question you.

[teh h4x0r5]

My IIS is ON port 80. And every port but 80 IS blocked.

Edited November 17, 2005 by teh h4x0r5

[2shae]

are u joking, slap her for me 2 danny, sum one get a guide for her about computers, i think INTERNET FOR DUMMYS should help her alot, even better show her how the net works, ping google, then goto the ip :p then **** her off UBERNESS

[teh h4x0r5]

Because I use IIS all the time to access my work, it's only recently started prompting me for a login.. I'll disable that in a minute. Oh, and the fact that they block port 2095 which rules out webmail, they block 2082 which rules out cPanel, and they block *mail.*, and a load of other unneccessary blockings which kinda rules out gmail.

[Vice]

Your teacher does not understand the fundamentals of a network. (internet or not) and she should get training if she wants to be good at what she does.

Protecting your computers from virus's is 1 thing but that right there is ignorance of the highest order.

Yes give her a slap.

[2shae]

SLAP HER

slap her danny :p for me :)

[Nick Sheldon]

Might I suggest that your school also looks into web filtering i.e.WebSense.

They could then block categories of sites.

It seems your school is behind the times when it comes to Network Security.

[ThisSiteHasLostItsCharm]

yup your teacher is dumb, I remember when my teacher said this "Computers don't just crash".

;)

[Simon Thulbourn]

Ah the teacher to computer relationship

The fact is that most teachers don't even know how to do much more than play solitaire on computer systems.

The UK has the nack for not teaching teachers how to use IT systems correctly, so they tend to fear anything and everything they do not understand.

First of if you school has a IT Technician ask him to go speak to her (This may be a no brainer too as UK school technicians are useless).

That fails send here up to the local uni or better yet to me (at the faculty of computer sciences and engineering at De Montfort University, Leicester)

The sad fact is that apache runs a good majority of websites, IIS is secure enough to serve files for 1 user if setup correctly.

IP addresses is the way TCP/IP works and that most of the internet today uses it

[phire_nuk3r]

yup your teacher is dumb, I remember when my teacher said this "Computers don't just crash".

;)

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I'll agree with that, you need to install windows first.

[Takhisis]

Worst lecturer on Computers I had was at Uni. He insited that all computer mice had two buttons. This was the mid nineties when acorn were still going, with a three button mouse and Macs were definitly one button.

[2shae]

I'll agree with that, you need to install windows first.

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that just made my day

[Surr3al]

Might I suggest that your school also looks into web filtering i.e.WebSense.

They could then block categories of sites.

It seems your school is behind the times when it comes to Network Security.

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Websense? That has nothing to do with what he's talking about. And in any case, web filtering does not establish whether or not your network is more or less secure.

[emedeiros73]

She really believes that ALL Internet content is managed by some kind of good organization... I mean... doesn't she realize that any stupid dumb f... can have a free website hosted, and put any crap, including viruses and worms, available there, and access them from any computer?

So, basically, you can go to Astalavista and search for viruses codes and etc... to download, and she wouldn't bother, because it's "on the internet"? Is that the question?

You can screw her mind by adding a DFQN to your computer at home in the "hosts" file of your computer at school, so you won't have to type your IP address anymore. Just be careful.

[trix]

(This may be a no brainer too as UK school technicians are useless).

i wouldn't say that about ours, he practaclly made the system buy himself and administers everything by himself and it's locked down pretty well too >.<

[teh h4x0r5]

Well, thanks for this guys, I sure will have a laugh showing her the thread on Monday morning.. and guess what, I get the added bonus that she is my form tutor too, joy. :p

[Lasker]

Well, thanks for this guys, I sure will have a laugh showing her the thread on Monday morning.. and guess what, I get the added bonus that she is my form tutor too, joy. :p

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may sure she does not slap u :laugh: :yes:

[PeterClark]

Why are you activating IIS and doing such a long winded approach to such a simple task.

If you cant think of any way to transfer medias between two PCs without doing all that work, IT probably isnt the right subject for you...