Democrats or Republicans?

[popsandthefamily]

If it were black and white the act would be a good thing... you find a terroist and bang you can get them. However there is a TON of potential for abuse and wrong doing with this act.

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Potential being the key word. Its like an issue here in Maine on gay job righs. Those opposed to the refferendum fear that the bill passing could bring on lawsuits and be the end of small business. Those are fears of potential occurences that havent happened yet. Just fears, but nevertheless unwarranted. The Patriot act hasnt been slaughtered yet, and most likely wont be. Our freedoms are still here.

[ZTrang]

Our freedoms? Our freedoms were taken away with the patriot act. The governement can pretty much do whatever they want to you as long as they label you a terrorist (even when your not).

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That's not really true - the Patriot Act doesn't violate any of our constitutional freedoms; in fact, no solid evidence can be produced for ANY abuses of the Patriot Act. All that the act does is make it easier for the feds to procure surveillance warrants when terrorist activities are involved. However, any evidence gathered in this method is not admissible in court UNLESS the charge is for terrorist activities; any other crimes would have to be investigated and prosecuted in the normal way. Personally, I don't have a problem with making it easier to find and prosecute terrorirsts. As for claims that the FBI can pull your library check-out list: honestly, what would they do with it? Sell it on eBay? Again, any evidence collected can only be used to prosecute very specific crimes, and otherwise the evidence basically languishes in a secure database somewhere, a minimal threat to your privacy.

[ZTrang]

Really, you should watch these 'cause you could get far worse during interrogation if you were a suspected terrorist  :x

http://www.channel4.com/news/microsites/T/torture/cases.html

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Any US citizen is afforded all rights as a citizen, even as a suspected terrorist. Any interrogations that go on are with non-US citizens; Americans have no need to worry in this case.

[sukamusiru]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story...has-player=true

It's just a bit interesting, is all.

[InternalStorm]

There are a lot of things I can say I don't agree with in all realms of politics, and there is rarely somebody I would agree with 100%, nevermind an entire party. I'm not American, but I would never want to let the Democrats in if I was a voting American, just because of the lack of balls they have to keep things in order the way I'd like them to be. That being said, there are some serious problems on the Republican side of the fence too, some of which won't be sustainable forever.

I'd call myself a Conservative with a bit of bounce. Most issues I'd lean towards the right, although I wouldn't agree with everything in that way, as most people wouldn't, but I believe it to be the only way that will keep things afloat in the long-run and keep the North American culture positive and in the right direction.

Canada is a bit different than the states, in some ways an easier place to vote, because there is 3 choices... far left, center, and right, but it's just such a huge split in the population it's becoming a crisis at the moment, not to mention the Quebec seperatists that make things worse at the polls.

[InternalStorm]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story...has-player=true

It's just a bit interesting, is all.

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Usually I don't like to read stuff coming from a strong bias in which God is slandered and the man is going in to trivialize everything and do stand-up for Rolling Stone... seriously, not sure why some people take the time to do stuff like that... :sleep: Heh... to be honest the Republicans sounded great !

[sacrifist]

Who do you think protects those freedoms? Liberals? If liberals were in power after 9/11 we'd be suing al-Qaeda instead of fighting them! The Republicans are the only ones willing to protect us from the evildoers at the gates that want to take away our way of life.

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and also cost the lives of thousands of our soldiers and billions of OUR dollars for your so called war against the "evildoers". I have dealt with 3 republican presidents in my lifetime. All they have done is put us in debt and cost us lives, so give your republican party rules crap a rest

[runningking7]

and also cost the lives of thousands of our soldiers and billions of OUR dollars for your so called war against the "evildoers". I have dealt with 3 republican presidents in my lifetime. All they have done is put us in debt and cost us lives, so give your republican party rules crap a rest

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That's true, but again, as they call it, it's a way of "stabilizing" the economy.

[sacrifist]

That's true, but again, as they call it, it's a way of "stabilizing" the economy.

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well George W has the brain of a 12 year old

[InternalStorm]

well George W has the brain of a 12 year old

... and they just come out of nowhere :p seriously, use your own brain and explain, I think we've heard the Bush jokes more than enough...

[RootWind]

Any US citizen is afforded all rights as a citizen, even as a suspected terrorist.  Any interrogations that go on are with non-US citizens; Americans have no need to worry in this case.

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So... why was Jose Padilla, a U.S. citizen, jailed for over 3 years without being charged.

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So... why was Jose Padilla, a U.S. citizen, jailed for over 3 years without being charged.

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Show me the solid evidence that this happened, and all the details, and I'll consider myself proven wrong.

[WigglesTheFish]

personally, i am a liberal but not necessarily a democrat, though based on the republican's actions of late (excessive spending and the iraq war) i voted democrat in virginia's governor election earlier this month. i also dislike the whole "christian/god's party" front the republican's have been promoting lately as well.

[runningking7]

personally, i am a liberal but not necessarily a democrat, though based on the republican's actions of late (excessive spending and the iraq war) i voted democrat in virginia's governor election earlier this month.  i also dislike the whole "christian/god's party" front the republican's have been promoting lately as well.

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Indeed, the quality of the candidates plays a significant role, but, is it just me, or had both parties been nominating rather unknown candidates?

[asdfvawerafd]

Show me the solid evidence that this happened, and all the details, and I'll consider myself proven wrong.

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Jose Padilla held for 3 YEARS without charge

theyve just charged him after 3 years of holding him to avoid the embarrasment of a court case going to the supreme court and potentially overrulling the government's strategy of illegally holding suspects.

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Jose Padilla held for 3 YEARS without charge

theyve just charged him after 3 years of holding him to avoid the embarrasment of a court case going to the supreme court and potentially overrulling the government's strategy of illegally holding suspects.

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Apparently he was arrested as an enemy combatant, and it wasn't the Patriot Act but the War Authorization act, which authorizes the president to use all necessary force against enemy combatants, that was cited as justification as his holding. The controversy is basically over whether the executive branch can declare a US citizen on US soil an illegal enemy combatant without congressional approval; an appeals court eventually ruled that it did, and that it could hold him without charging him. As far as I can tell, this doesn't involve any provisions of the Patriot Act, but is based primarily on Congress's war authorization (btw, I'm relying heavily on Wikipedia for this information).

[gaekwad2]

I guess "Neither" is the "moderate" option.

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Or the non-US-American one. :p

[runningking7]

Or the non-US-American one. :p

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Not always true, there are Republican and Democratic parties in other nations, too.

[j.nudd]

I'm definitely a conservative, but I will agree with both Democrats and Republicans.

Note- I'm one of the few conservatives at our highschool. Then again, 7/8 of my highschool population is politically retarded...

[runningking7]

I'm definitely a conservative, but I will agree with both Democrats and Republicans.

Note- I'm one of the few conservatives at our highschool. Then again, 7/8 of my highschool population is politically retarded...

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Most people are politically retarded, I have to agree.

I am in a more extreme version than you...I am one of the two conservatives out of 400 students in my grade. Yep, I'm in LA!.....argh

[runningking7]

Anyone wants to comment on government's uncontrolled spending? Because I believe that is a big issue at this moment.

[Fred Derf Veteran]

Anyone wants to comment on government's uncontrolled spending? Because I believe that is a big issue at this moment.

Where have all the fiscal conservatives gone?

Long time ago...