Mom died day after class `joke'

[Ryan V]

About not being able to mention the school, well I think we can take a pretty good guess given the info you told us. An IB School in Mississagua :whistle:

[JiveMasterT]

where's the joke in this?

[rapscaLLion]

Ooopss... I guess I let that part slip ;)

Shame on me!

[Fred Derf Veteran]

where's the joke in this?

Students in class were joking about what it would take to be allowed to hand in an assignment late but without penalty. She raised the bar of that joke by asking if the death of a parent was justification to hand in an assisnment late.

The not-so-funny ending was that her mother died just after that.

[todd]

It wasn't too hard to deduct the school they were from given the above information. :p

So we will know if they're tried as adults or youths in March?

[JiveMasterT]

Students in class were joking about what it would take to be allowed to hand in an assignment late but without penalty. She raised the bar of that joke by asking if the death of a parent was justification to hand in an assisnment late.

The not-so-funny ending was that her mother died just after that.

Oh. I thought it was supposed to be like something funny. It's definately not funny no matter how you look at it...

[Fred Derf Veteran]

Murder fascinated sisters, report says

Jun. 22, 2006. 06:50 PM

GREGORY BONNELL

CANADIAN PRESS

BRAMPTON, Ont. ? The elder of two teenage sisters convicted of drowning their mother in the family bathtub after plying her with alcohol and prescription drugs says her mom would understand and forgive her for the murder, court documents reveal.

A pre-sentencing report prepared by the older sister's probation officer outlines the girl's macabre fascination with carrying out her mother's murder ? a fantasy the two girls fulfilled on Jan. 18, 2003.

"The subject recalled that while committing the murder she wanted to remember every detail of it," the report reads. "She saw her mother's convulsions and her dying heaves."

The pre-sentencing reports for both girls, released by the court on Thursday, clearly show them taking full responsibility for the murder of their mother, despite having pleaded not guilty at trial.

Claims by the girls that the 44-year-old woman's alcoholism "was out of control" in the months leading up to the murder are commonplace in both documents.

"Watching her mother kill herself in this way was a living hell, she commented," the probation officer notes of the older girl.

"(She) is of the opinion that her mother would understand why she committed this act and would forgive her."

The girls, who were under the age of 18 when the crime was committed and cannot be named, were convicted last December of first-degree murder. Their sentencing hearing continues next Wednesday.

Initially ruled an accidental death due to alcohol consumption, the girls, now 20 and 19, got away with their mother's murder for more than a year. The case was only reopened some 11 months later when a family friend came forward to police, saying the older sister had confessed the crime to him.

"(The younger sister) described experiencing a lifetime of no control, of her mother being out of control... because of alcohol usage," reads her pre-sentencing report.

"(She) stated that if she and (her sister) got away with killing their mother, then they could raise (their then 6-year-old brother) and do what was best for him."

Claims that the woman was an alcoholic who neglected her children were countered in both documents by the girls' father ? who was divorced from their mother ? and aunt. The latter described the victim as a hard-working and caring parent who took her children to Disney World, paid for horseback riding, and tae kwon do lessons.

"The aunt is of the opinion that her nieces had everything," reads the report.

Detectives who scrutinized the girls' Internet chat conversations are also cited in the documents, saying they believe, given the right circumstances, the girls could kill again.

The girls "frequently referred to (their mother) as a ######" during Internet chats, logs of which reveal that the sisters were keenly aware of the value of the woman's life insurance policies and were angered when she discontinued one, police told the probation officer.

"The girls bragged about their ability to manipulate people and use their weaknesses against them," the police said.

It was also the opinion of the detectives that the younger sister played a larger role in the killing, despite protestations from her elder sibling that she masterminded the crime.

Both girls also complained to their probation officers of sexual abuse as teens, but it is unclear who is alleged to have committed those abuses as portions of the documents released to the media Thursday were deleted in accordance with a court order.

The girls outlined their own suicidal thoughts and problems with drug and alcohol abuse to their probation officers, while the older sister tells of sending a nude photo of herself to a website while she was free on bail and living under house arrest.

If sentenced as adults, the older sister would be ordered to serve at least 10 years in prison, and the younger teen between five and seven years.

Youth sentences would see the sisters kept in custody for a maximum of 10 years, of which only six can be served behind bars. The remaining years must be served under conditional supervision in halfway houses.

In convicting them, Justice Bruce Duncan found the girls plied their mother with booze and Tylenol-3 pills before drawing her bath, helping her undress and then drowning her, with the older girl holding her mother's head under the water for at least four minutes.

Afterwards, they met two friends at a restaurant as part of a pre-arranged alibi before returning home to make a well-rehearsed 911 call.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...72154&t=TS_Home

[L3thal Veteran]

They were fascinated? That sounds to me like they are future candidates of being criminals so its better to just lock them up.

[oldaccount1]

Very disturbing.

[quadz0]

:s :| this is one helluva screwed up story...

[Alladaskill17]

stupid teenage girls :angry:

[kyosuken]

^ I would say definetely evil..

[BigDaddy]

^ I would say that they're mentally sick and victims of awfully bad parenting. Poor girls..

[gaurav]

whether their mom was alcoholic or not, murdering her is just wrong. :no:

[Panacik]

Sounds like they are complete hut cases to me. Lock them up in a loony bin i say.

[dh5]

Very disturbing story... :|

[Scirwode]

:s :| this is one helluva screwed up story...

I have to agree with you on that :| .

PSG22?

[Mystical112]

wow its gets more and more messed up as u find out more about it...

[zeroday]

:o so sad :no:

[ranasrule]

damn :no: :no: :no:

[thugilex]

spain scored ! thats a replay

[John Veteran]

anybody want to tell me wtf is wrong with new generation of kids, it looks like 95% getting dumb

Parents don't properly raise their children. We live in a society that expects both parents to hold full-time jobs, leaving the children in daycare until they are deemed old enough to watch out for themselves. But at this age, they are not yet adults, and still need guidance. However, when a child is alone at home, watching corrupt television or sitting on social websites like MySpace that care nothing about children, all of the bad influences are allowed to impact that child, and the parents aren't able to protect the child and explain our complex world to them. It's a recipe for disaster, and it will only get worse.

Don't misunderstand. I'm not blaming the death of these girls' mother on MySpace or anything similar. I'm saying the girls' parents did not take the time to raise them, and the girls' logic and conscience are now so skewed that they see it as a worthwhile tradeoff to kill their mother in order to get out of taking a test and gaining $200,000 in insurance.

[Allan]

The eldest of two Mississauga sisters convicted of murdering their alcoholic mother was "motivated by excitement" in committing the crime, a top forensic psychiatrist says.

"She was excited by the process of planning to kill her mother," Dr. Phil Klassen wrote in his psychiatric assessment of the convicted killer, now 20.

Klassen said the murder of her mother "met many of her needs" and that the planning and carrying out of the crime was "intoxicating" for her.

Her mother's murder also met her need for "status, attention and power" and gave her "a sense of control over her environment," Klassen wrote in his report released yesterday by Justice Bruce Duncan.

The woman and her sister, now 19, should learn today whether Duncan will sentence them as adults or youths.

An adult sentence would mean life in prison with a chance of parole after 10 years for the older sister and after five to seven years for the younger one. Their identities, which are protected by Canadian law, could then be revealed.

A youth sentence could result in a maximum 10-year term of which only six years can be spent in secured custody. There is no minimum sentence. Their identities would remain protected forever if they're sentenced as youths.

The sisters, who were convicted Dec. 15 of first-degree murder, were just 16 and 15 on Jan. 18, 2003 when they got their mother drunk and nearly unconscious with Tylenol-3 pills, helped her into the bathtub of their Mississauga townhome and then drowned her.

They got away with the crime for more than a year until a friend went to police with information suggesting their mother's death wasn't an accidental drowning due to alcohol consumption but a planned murder discussed with a close group of friends, both in person and through disturbing and chilling Internet conversations.

Klassen said that one of the most "striking" aspects of the case was the fact that all of their academically gifted close friends not only did nothing to stop them but also encouraged them to go through with their grisly plan.

Source: TheStar.com

[CY:G]

Wow, thats crazy, how boring could their lifes be in order to do something like that for excitement :no:

[dreamz Veteran]

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