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winrar for me, never tried anything else cuz frankly, i dont think all those extras are needed for 99% of all compressed files.

You are right, but if you download a free software with all those extra, nobody forces you to use all those features ;)

Plus, WinRAR is not free, even if you can click CLOSE to hide the nag screen:

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After 40 days you must purchase a regular license.

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You are right, but if you download a free software with all those extra, nobody forces you to use all those features ;)

Plus, WinRAR is not free, even if you can click CLOSE to hide the nag screen:

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After 40 days you must purchase a regular license.

You must purchase a license? Only ethically. There is nothing to physical stop someone from not purchasing a license.

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I am not english but I can understand what the nag screen shows up: "After a 40 day trial period you must either buy a license or remove it from your computer". What does this mean? It surely doesn't mean "use WinRar as long as you want without paying".

WinRar is a great tool and their developers deserve to earn money from their product; if people doesn't want to pay, they have to look for a free program.

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I am not english but I can understand what the nag screen shows up: "After a 40 day trial period you must either buy a license or remove it from your computer". What does this mean? It surely doesn't mean "use WinRar as long as you want without paying".

WinRar is a great tool and their developers deserve to earn money from their product; if people doesn't want to pay, they have to look for a free program.

I know what it says. But there is no physical limitation that disables WinRAR. So, yes, after 40 days, the person can continue to use WinRAR as long as they want without paying. Is this ethical? No. Is this legal? Probably not. But that's just the way it is.

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They didn't put an automatic lock in their software because they don't allow other developers to put RAR compression in their own applications. That's why I suggest using 7-zip compression format even in ZipGenius F.A.Q. page: it's open source and performs just like RAR (or better, in some cases).

Let's talk about WinAce... Is anybody still using it? Uhm... Not as much as some time ago.

Why ZIP became so popular? Because Phil Katz has never filed a patent request on this algorhythm and he made PKZIP (the DOS compression tool) available to everybody, so people has been enabled to freely compress files into ZIP format.

Igor Pavlov, 7-zip developer, deserves more popularity for his work: if people in the underground (read as P2P networks) would start using .7z archives, the RAR files may start to get less popularity and 7-zip would become de facto the new standard compression format.

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The guy who programmed WinRAR for some reason let the software work past the trial period.

It seems to have the same functionality as WinZIP in this respect. Except WinRAR only nags you when you open the interface.

When using the context menu items there are no nag screens. In WinZIP is shows the nag screens in both cases.

Considering how most shareware software is programmed its amazing he didn't set it up to stop functionality after 40 days.

But thats the way its been since...forever. Ive been using WinRAR since the pre 3.0 days, nothing has changed.

As you said, 7Zip is better than RAR for certain file types.

That was the purpose of that excel file :).

7Zip performs better for more filetypes than WinRAR, but it seems combining all filetypes into one big file it would see WinRAR would output an overall better compression.

Then again, my test chose only 21 file types...so its not exactly a GREAT test...but its a decent one to get a good idea of performance. There are probably thousands of filetypes all of which compress differently...I only chose 21 rather popular ones.

I dont know what to tell ya...i dont know where compression will be in a few years...but i dont think rar is going anywhere anytime soon.

I think its mostly because the underground scene uses RAR and ZIP.

If the underground started to use 7zip then you would probably see a larger following of it.

Since at that point, everyone would want to trade files in 7z's....WinRAR cant compress to 7z and thats a problem. Where is where programs like ZipGenius would come in.

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see, the nice thing about rar files is that since it's not an open standard that anyone can just create a plugin for, it is harder to create an extension or a script for a server that will scan compressed files for various content if they are in rar format. zip and rar arent that different in compression for the most part, but since zip is older, it's better documented and pretty much anything can extract a zip file.

i think if there was a move to 7z by the underground community, it would be short lived because the compression methods are open source and the code is all there and can be easily adapted into whatever someone would need if they were looking for illegal content in a cluster of compressed files.

see, the nice thing about rar files is that since it's not an open standard that anyone can just create a plugin for, it is harder to create an extension or a script for a server that will scan compressed files for various content if they are in rar format. zip and rar arent that different in compression for the most part, but since zip is older, it's better documented and pretty much anything can extract a zip file.

i think if there was a move to 7z by the underground community, it would be short lived because the compression methods are open source and the code is all there and can be easily adapted into whatever someone would need if they were looking for illegal content in a cluster of compressed files.

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Tokar

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see, the nice thing about rar files is that since it's not an open standard that anyone can just create a plugin for, it is harder to create an extension or a script for a server that will scan compressed files for various content if they are in rar format. zip and rar arent that different in compression for the most part, but since zip is older, it's better documented and pretty much anything can extract a zip file.

i think if there was a move to 7z by the underground community, it would be short lived because the compression methods are open source and the code is all there and can be easily adapted into whatever someone would need if they were looking for illegal content in a cluster of compressed files.

see, the nice thing about rar files is that since it's not an open standard that anyone can just create a plugin for, it is harder to create an extension or a script for a server that will scan compressed files for various content if they are in rar format. zip and rar arent that different in compression for the most part, but since zip is older, it's better documented and pretty much anything can extract a zip file.

i think if there was a move to 7z by the underground community, it would be short lived because the compression methods are open source and the code is all there and can be easily adapted into whatever someone would need if they were looking for illegal content in a cluster of compressed files.

besides posting the content twice in one post...I didn't understand one point you were making.

I dont exactly see how RAR being close source and 7z being open source has any effect on whether the underground uses it.

I think the reaosn they use it is because RAR was the first major compression type to allow users to make mutlivolumed archives. WinZIP in its early days didn't allow that...I dont know if that is still the case, though. And at the time 7zip didnt exist to my knowledge.

WinRAR worked well for all the underground people releasing huge softwares, since it allows them to split it up into smaller files.

I think that onces a group of people start using one standard it is hard to get them to change, even if a newer one is better.

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