Spectate Swamp VS the Desktop Search World; G Y M

[Spectate Swamp]

In front of a live audience. (Or Net Video?)

Desktop Search and Net Search are from opposite ends of the

search spectrum. They won't do well on the desktop.

Show me the data.

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It has often been said that with search, nothing is found until

someone views the results. That point has become very clear

while checking out the Desktop Search competition. They list

the files that the results are in and sometimes display the

first hit. Where it is actually ledgable. Most times the first

file matches are just little yellow blobs on something that is

supposed to resemble a page of text.

They brag about finding so many matches in fractions of seconds.

To actually see all the results in context, is painfully slow with

these guys. Spectate Swamp can "Show you the data" in context

much much quicker. Just hit Enter Enter Enter as you fly through

the results (in context & full screen). Hands down winner SSDS.

I used the Search to merge a few large txt files into one, with a

special search key placed near the end.

The max indexing file size for these 3 is as follows:

(1) Yahoo would not index a 81MB text file

(2) Google would not index a 44MB text file

(3) Microsoft would not index a 1.1MB text file

Spectate Swamp has no known text file size limit!!!

Why would anybody want files this large?

Some users have thousands and thousands of text documents in

one format or another. Any application worth its salt can

export those to .txt files. Merge these thousands and thousands into

a handfull of large txt files. Eliminating directory clutter. Very

very few reports and documents are ever printed or sent multiple times.

I'm sure that with a little poking around more major deficiencies,

will crop up.

In a couple days, a comparison of video search capabilities.

Show me the Videos.

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[Spectate Swamp]

Do you need to physically change the video file to add metadata?

(This would require video editing software $$) Not with SSDS

Video cataloging; can they video in a 100 page natural health

book then catalogue it? SSDS can easily.

To catalogue a video, the playback must show the time in seconds.

SSDS does

It needs to do a rewind or reverse playback. SSDS does the first

and will add reverse playback shortly.

Desktop search for video should have slow motion playback SSDS does.

Can the Search run while other searches are on the PC.

SSDS can.

Can the search run on a computer, that is not connected to the net?

SSDS can.

Can the Search run from a DVD. SSDS can.

Do they force their internet search on you and confuse the results with

net garbage? Desktop search is for personal stuff. Not everybodys stuff.

Never with SSDS.

Other special options:

SSDS has random video selection

SSDS has random start point in video clips.

SSDS can play short segments. Ie thumbnails.

SSDS has freeze frame.

SSDS has multi-screen capabilities. Multiple SSDS's can run simultaneously.

SSDS can run in continuous display mode. Screen saver...

The others must have little to no video capabilities. Otherwise there

would be people yapping about it; Saying I do this with my videos using

MDS or YDS or GDS...

About all I could find when searching "??? Desktop Search" "video"

was people saying I like X better than y. No explanation whatsoever

as to how they use the tool. That's what really counts.

This leads into the next desktop search showdown catagory.

How I use my desktop search on a daily basis.

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I've used this one for nearly 7 years, so SSDS has

a major advantage here.

Where are the Guru types for MDS, GDS, YDS and other searches??

they'll need 'em.

Spectate Swamp declared WINNER of the Desktop Search for videos segment.

The whole concept of metadata is stupid.

With all these formats. It's trouble enough getting the data out.

What's insane, is to bury textual information in video files.

Removing it from view and from the average user.

[Brandon Live Veteran]

I thought spammers weren't allowed on Neowin?

Also from your first post - why is "enter enter enter" better than "down-arrow down-arrow down-arrow" ?

And what the hell does this mean:

Most times the first

file matches are just little yellow blobs on something that is

supposed to resemble a page of text.

Metadata is stupid? That's a new one.

[Spectate Swamp]

I thought spammers weren't allowed on Neowin?

Also from your first post - why is "enter enter enter" better than "down-arrow down-arrow down-arrow" ?

And what the hell does this mean:

Metadata is stupid? That's a new one.

Who makes the call on spam, no spam. Some sites don't block Me

and some do?

Enter enter enter is way faster than down arrow. It's the home position

for typing. Duh. This search has a couple other quick keys for those of us that

can type.

MetaData for the average user is overkill. This way is simpler and easy.

[Spectate Swamp]

In searching out the details on the competition. One thing has

become clear. Spectate Swamp Search is lacking, but so are the

rest. SSDS is unindexed search, the others are indexed. Those two

can easily work together.

So My mission has slightly changed. From trying to point out their

weaknesses, to finding which one offers the most in conjunction with

Spectate Swamp Search.

Spectate Swamp Desktop Search (and) GDS (or) MDS (or) YDS (or) ???

[jmc777]

Call me when you come to a conclusion, here's my number; 1-800-DIE.

[Spectate Swamp]

Back from scouring the net, reading Desktop Search reviews and views.

Spent some more time testing the various searches. What I'm finding is:

Pretend Desktop Search. Just NET search with a little less data.

Their preview windows that are too tiny to be useful. With this search

you'll see all the matches up on the screen and fast. Note-pad / Scratch-pad

capabilities are a must. Most searches have this option. I stash notes all the time.

When reviewers quote search speed, they are way way off base.

Saying they have found 2,350,000+ results in .023 sec

Nothing is found until it is up on the screen and easily

viewable. That is where, this program blows their doors off.

Desktop search is about finding your data Fast.

With this program I can be in and out of my notes, in a handfull of seconds.

Net Search needed indexing so they can quickly find data among

billions of pages. For a single computer, this is Over-Kill. A good reader

can read 3 Gig in a year, going 24 X 365. Personal search textual info

will rarely get larger than that. I seldom search data that I havn't read

or notes that aren't mine. Why would I? Is indexing really necessary?

That nasty indexing step, limits search in a number of ways.

For those techies that talk about indexing hundreds of thousands of files.

Few if any of those files are ever printed or re-sent. Just merge them and

store the originals somewhere else. Why have a messy directory.

Find all your data, not just some of it. Large text files can't be indexed,

by the pretenders. They range from 2M to 80M maximum file size limit.

Not much fun in these so called serious searches. No Random to be seen.

No large font scrolling text, no slow-motion video.

Just MetaData that is beyond most casual users capabilities. But not now.

This search allows people to create their own MetaData.

Articles go on and on about security. Where does this rank with the user

that has his-or-her data backed up. Last, or next to last. OMG somebody

is going to read my old email and look at the family photo album.

Indexed desktop search, seem to hog computer resources.

When my computer is on, I'm usually using it. I've read a number

of complaints about the background indexing. In most cases, the

indexing function can be turned off and updated anytime.

They want you to keep all your data eggs in their basket. With desktop search.

The KISS principle (Keep It Simple Stupid) strongly applies. The less formats

the better. Don't be encouraged by the 200+ types of data formats they claim

to search. I use mpg, txt, mp3, jpg, bmp and very few others. For those who

feel their data prowess is determined by the number of different formats.

Good luck. You'll need it, to keep your data in the long run.

In looking for desktop search, there are almost no examples, of how or why

anybody would use Search. I guess I'm one of the few that do.

-Used as a context spell checker. See how the words are used in context of

my own selection. My text file has weird, strange, psychic, unexpected,

mystics text info. See results in interesting context.

-I save a jpg (screen capture) of every website that I bookmark, then take a copy

of the text on the home page at the same time.

-I do daily notes, todo list updates and info lookups.

-Cut and paste interesting notes and search material from the net.

-Move my inbox and sent mail to my *.txt files.

-I check these files often when making new contacts.

-Auto-catalogue and play my recent video. Then randomly play video from

what's currently on the C: disk. Or a screen saver playing the 5000+ family

album pictures.

-Burn a copy of the exe on DVD backups set to autorun, showing the videos.

I regularly burn 2 or 3 DVD's backups to free up s

Back from scouring the net, reading Desktop Search reviews and views.

Spent some more time testing the various searches. What I'm finding is:

Pretend Desktop Search. Just NET search with a little less data.

Their preview windows that are too tiny to be useful. With this search

you'll see all the matches up on the screen and fast. Note-pad / Scratch-pad

capabilities are a must. Most searches have this option. I stash notes all the time.

When reviewers quote search speed, they are way way off base.

Saying they have found 2,350,000+ results in .023 sec

Nothing is found until it is up on the screen and easily

viewable. That is where, this program blows their doors off.

Desktop search is about finding your data Fast.

With this program I can be in and out of my notes, in a handfull of seconds.

Net Search needed indexing so they can quickly find data among

billions of pages. For a single computer, this is Over-Kill. A good reader

can read 3 Gig in a year, going 24 X 365. Personal search textual info

will rarely get larger than that. I seldom search data that I havn't read

or notes that aren't mine. Why would I? Is indexing really necessary?

That nasty indexing step, limits search in a number of ways.

For those techies that talk about indexing hundreds of thousands of files.

Few if any of those files are ever printed or re-sent. Just merge them and

store the originals somewhere else. Why have a messy directory.

Find all your data, not just some of it. Large text files can't be indexed,

by the pretenders. They range from 2M to 80M maximum file size limit.

Not much fun in these so called serious searches. No Random to be seen.

No large font scrolling text, no slow-motion video.

Just MetaData that is beyond most casual users capabilities. But not now.

This search allows people to create their own MetaData.

Articles go on and on about security. Where does this rank with the user

that has his-or-her data backed up. Last, or next to last. OMG somebody

is going to read my old email and look at the family photo album.

Indexed desktop search, seem to hog computer resources.

When my computer is on, I'm usually using it. I've read a number

of complaints about the background indexing. In most cases, the

indexing function can be turned off and updated anytime.

They want you to keep all your data eggs in their basket. With desktop search.

The KISS principle (Keep It Simple Stupid) strongly applies. The less formats

the better. Don't be encouraged by the 200+ types of data formats they claim

to search. I use mpg, txt, mp3, jpg, bmp and very few others. For those who

feel their data prowess is determined by the number of different formats.

Good luck. You'll need it, to keep your data in the long run.

In looking for desktop search, there are almost no examples, of how or why

anybody would use Search. I guess I'm one of the few that do.

-Used as a context spell checker. See how the words are used in context of

my own selection. My text file has weird, strange, psychic, unexpected,

mystics text info. See results in interesting context.

-I save a jpg (screen capture) of every website that I bookmark, then take a copy

of the text on the home page at the same time.

-I do daily notes, todo list updates and info lookups.

-Cut and paste interesting notes and search material from the net.

-Move my inbox and sent mail to my *.txt files.

-I check these files often when making new contacts.

-Auto-catalogue and play my recent video. Then randomly play video from

what's currently on the C: disk. Or a screen saver playing the 5000+ family

album pictures.

-Burn a copy of the exe on DVD backups set to autorun, showing the videos.

I regularly burn 2 or 3 DVD's backups to free up space on my hard drive.

-When I come across detailed steps or interesting features, I'll do a

screen capture and save that as a jpg. Maybe even using paint to draw

a red circle around the object of interest.

-On a previous job I had 2000+ screen captures (in 10 months) of totals,

exceptions and complex procedure steps.

-Routinely add a "search for: THIS STRING" to my notes file. For any search

string that provided results.

If you don't have lots of interesting pictures, text, video or music

then you probably don't need desktop search. Yet....

Conclusion:

They are Net Search masquerading as Desktop Search Engines.

There is only one desktop search - Spectate Swamp.

So it's impossible to have a desktop search showdown. They have nothing to show.

They don't do desktop search, they don't know desktop search.

I'll do more Desktop Search video demos and hound any "Desktop Search" threads I find.

Grab a copy and check it out:

http://www.topshareware.com/Spectate-Swamp...nload-42932.htm

[Spectate Swamp]

A lesson in Personal - Desktop Search

For the most part people don't need desktop search.

They have all lived without it, until now.

But for those that have lots of daily details and computer

related functions, maybe Desktop Search can make their busy

life, easier. Those that have Digital Cameras or Camcorders

can make quick use of this search as a screen saver.

I've been using search since the mid 80's. From source code search

to examining database text extracts. I know what's needed from

search. I've kept all kinds of typewritten notes. From the items

on my grocery list and their cost, to things far more noteworthy.

A key feature of any search, is it's notepad capabilities.

to see the most recent notes in my notes.txt file:

Start the program

Prompt #1 (the default is notes.txt) hit enter

Prompt #2 (the default is 'Y' for last page) hit enter.

the last page of notes appear.

To add notes to the notes.txt file:

Start the program

Prompt #1 (the default is notes.txt) hit enter

Prompt #2 (the default is 'y') enter 'e' the enter notes option

you are prompted for line after line of input. To close out the

program hit enter enter enter.

Very fast and very easy to make notes and view them.

Since this app, I have been keeping a lot of screen captures to Jpg.

As well as all kinds of Video from my Mini DVD Camcorder (3 years+).

If you have enough data, to want a search. You had better have a good

backup plan for that data. This app makes the txt, jpg, mpg, and mp3

secure and very transportable. I worry about those other data formats, 2nd.

If you want to share your stuff like I do, it had better be portable.

From PC to PC. and from software package to software package. Your data

shouldn't lock you into any one program. If you can't take it with you.

You can't take it with you. Doing it this way, You can.

Desktop search is primarily about finding your data in context.

I search for "Joe Smith" I might be looking for his phone number

birthdate or somebody, I met with him. For the most part I am not

interested in the file that it came from.

This is the desktop search your need to comfortably accumulate and

retrieve all the memories and moments of a lifetime in Text, Pictures

Music and Video (txt, jpg, mp3 & mpg). Easily shared and in some of

the more portable data formats. This data is yours. (permanently)

And without a whole lot of geekery involved.

For me this is Personal - Desktop Search. The other search engines are

database driven net monstrosities, pretending to be Desktop Search.