About AutoPatcher November 2006...

[akaladis Veteran]

Lyndon will be away for a couple of weeks, so the November 2006 (English) releases with done by me :) Of course, I haven't packaged a release for quite some time now, so bare with me...

I'll try to do releases for all three versions (2000, xp, 2003), but I'm not sure if I'll have enough time to do *all types* (Full, Lite, Update, QMUP) too.

So, what releases should I do for November?

My pick would be "Full, Lite, QMUP" or "Full, QMUP".

Thoughts about Lite:

It seems that the Lite releases lately are not very Lite at all. I mean, they are about 70-80% of the Full release's size. This is of course a sign that most of the size is used by critical/recommended patches.

Other thoughts:

And because I don't have a blog right now... more thought of mine, flying out the window...

Back in the days of XP SP1 releases, I remember that SP2 came out when AutoPatcher Full was near 250-300mb. With Microsoft not releasing SP3 for Windows XP for a year to come, I'm afraid that AutoPatcher releases will keep getting bigger and bigger. :(

[+BeLGaRaTh Subscriber¹]

Voted Full, QMUP mainly as I prefer the full updates, and agree with you on the size, theyre practically the same so makes no difference when downloading with either broadband or dialup.

Thanks for all your hard work on the autopatcher app. (Y)

[the_guy]

I think just the QMUP and Update releases should be enough, and save the full releases for December.

the_guy

[PsiMoon314]

Hi,

A lot would depend on what you will be including in AP for November.

Are there plans to include IE7?

If so will AP be based on using IE7 by default or will it be optional?

From what I see MS would rather folks upgraded to IE7 given they will be pushing it out via AU in the next few months.

If you will be including IE7 as non-optional then many of the current hotfixes for IE6 become redundant.

However I could see that many folks would not wish to be forced to install or use IE7.

If you will be including IE7 as optional then you will need to cater for both IE6 and IE7 users which will eventually diverge the project into almost 2 seperate packages.

Given these changes it might make more sense to release AP November as a Full and QMUP.

Kind Regards

Simon

[akaladis Veteran]

PsiMoon314, about IE7:

As far as I know, there are certain things that stopped working in IE7. Thus, it's an update that some may not want. Thus optional. And only included in Full (due to size).

As you said, Microsoft will be pushing it via AU *in the next few months*. Maybe they'll have fixed some things until then.

Also, remember that we don't only need silent, but also offline installation. IE7 as far as I know includes validation. Any updates on that?

[+M2Ys4U Subscriber¹]

IE7 will be pushed on November's Patch Tuesday IIRC.

[Shof]

I can use an update and full

[xyz123]

Hi,

A lot would depend on what you will be including in AP for November.

Are there plans to include IE7?

If so will AP be based on using IE7 by default or will it be optional?

From what I see MS would rather folks upgraded to IE7 given they will be pushing it out via AU in the next few months.

If you will be including IE7 as non-optional then many of the current hotfixes for IE6 become redundant.

However I could see that many folks would not wish to be forced to install or use IE7.

If you will be including IE7 as optional then you will need to cater for both IE6 and IE7 users which will eventually diverge the project into almost 2 seperate packages.

Given these changes it might make more sense to release AP November as a Full and QMUP.

Kind Regards

Simon

WMP10 is a Component, so WIE7 (and also WMP11) should be a Component also. About including both MIE6 stuff and WIE7, i don't think that's a good idea... Also, if WIE7 and WMP11 will be included, then Full - else Update...

P. S. WIE7 setup downloads some "Windows Internet Explorer required updates". But if you're not online at the time, it skips them. Maybe these are MIE6 KBs? So maybe you do have to have both MIE6 KBs AND WIE7 if you want no going online whatsoever (except the validation, of course) and still a regular install?

Edited October 23, 2006 by xyz123

[gandolas]

If you need some help, i may help you raptor. :)

BTW, i voted

Full, Lite, QMUP

[nerdco]

Save the full version for Jan07 :)

[akaladis Veteran]

g, you can do the Lites ;)

[akaladis Veteran]

major problem: my main pc's main hdd is in big trouble. and (as it always happens) its the disk i did not backup.

i'll try to recover as much of it as i can, but i really can't promise anything. right now i'm left with my laptop. in any case... gandolas, nevermind the lite. we'll do full and qmup. i'll do the qmup for sure, but i'm not sure about the full.

/antonis

[xyz123]

No need for a Full... do what's easier...

[+M2Ys4U Subscriber¹]

if you're including IE7 (and WMP11?) go Full, otherwise Update

[manroweb]

If you need some help, i may help you raptor. :)

BTW, i voted

g, you can do the Lites ;)

I will happily do the QMUP

[DotChris]

I know this is a bit off topic but what about making iso releases every few months for techs and such who would benefit from it. Also, I don't about many others but I like having a hard copy on hand as hard drive failures can come at any time.

Like for people that manage many pcs with different os make the iso include Win2k and XP or something like that.

[cbosdell]

I'd prefer full

[JustGeorge]

As an English user, I'd like full please :)

[alceryes]

Definately a full and QMUP.

What's the difference between an 'update' and a 'QMUP'?

[Mik Gee]

just my 2 coppers worth:

why dont we start having a regular schedule for full releases (Jan, Apr, July, Oct), with updates between. then if it is posted clearly and prominently, there will be fewer questions as to which is coming out.

Also, i vote update and QMUP

McG

[panosmon]

Lyndon will be away for a couple of weeks, so the November 2006 (English) releases with done by me :) Of course, I haven't packaged a release for quite some time now, so bare with me...

I'll try to do releases for all three versions (2000, xp, 2003), but I'm not sure if I'll have enough time to do *all types* (Full, Lite, Update, QMUP) too.

So, what releases should I do for November?

My pick would be "Full, Lite, QMUP" or "Full, QMUP".

Thoughts about Lite:

It seems that the Lite releases lately are not very Lite at all. I mean, they are about 70-80% of the Full release's size. This is of course a sign that most of the size is used by critical/recommended patches.

Other thoughts:

And because I don't have a blog right now... more thought of mine, flying out the window...

Back in the days of XP SP1 releases, I remember that SP2 came out when AutoPatcher Full was near 250-300mb. With Microsoft not releasing SP3 for Windows XP for a year to come, I'm afraid that AutoPatcher releases will keep getting bigger and bigger. :(

hello

it seems YoU are the one i was looking for

"και εισαι και Ελληνας!!"

I m Panosmon from Monemvasia Greece

By the time i installed the last AutoPatcher in my pc

all my autodesk progs (Autocad 2000-Land 2005) exept the Autocad 2006 failed to open

I fact they all give the same error:autoCad Error Aborting

All of the possible directories for storing temporary files either do not exist or are readonly

I need HELPPPP!!!

[macmax]

It should be full atleast for these 2 reasons :

IE 7

WMP 11

[xyz123]

WHEN WIE7 and WMP11 get included, THEN's the time for Full. Otherwise just Update...

[Boo Berry]

Agreed. Full just because of IE7 and WMP11.

[cme4pc]

Greetings....

My understanding is that the Lords of MS have determined IE 7 to be in the category of critical security updates, however, to minimize the support load, they have decided to spoon feed distribution to the masses via Microsoft Update on a limited scale.

My opinion (free and you get what you pay for) is that this technically makes IE7 a go for inclusion with autopatcher XP if the intent is to help people maintain patched and secure systems.

On the flip side.... I've already run into a situation with a university using collaborative / white board software plug ins that have crashed gloriously after IE7 is installed. So yes.... there are some compatibility issues with 3rd party stuff.....

It boils down to whether the need is to keep autopatcher as a tool to keep current with the latest thinking at microsoft or to allow people who use autopatcher a chance to test for compatibilty issues.... how long will that take vs how soon do folks want a more secure / feature packed browser.....

Life is full of trade offs.... just ask my ex.....