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- is there an actual HDMI solution in the works from Microsoft? yes, no more comments on this topic until it gets officially announced. :p

MS would be stupid in not releasing an HDMI cable for the 360. Without it, the HD-DVD addon is one big joke with no way to output the HD audio on the discs. I don't believe most home theater buffs would like their audio down converted to a measly DTS soundtrack vs uncompressed PCM which can only be transmitted through multi-channel analog or HDMI.

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yeah i thought vga was better but hdmi is only needed cause of the way the signal has to be trasmitted to the tvs right? so for gaming vga would still be better i thought. for tv signals and broadcasts than hdmi is what is needed for 1080p?

i dunno, im a noob at this HD stuff

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Agreed. But it'd be nice to have the cable. :p :shiftyninja:

hope this makes you happy... :happy: :yes:

All those connections (composite, component, s-video and VGA) have one thing in common: they carry the video signal in an analog format. What about digital connections such DVI or HDMI? Will there be A/V packs with DVI and/or HDMI connections? If not, will you consider offering that in the future?

Todd Holmdahl: Xbox 360 will support HD component video output, which is compatible with nearly every HD-ready TV on the market today. We?re poised to hit the sweet spot of the HD market at launch and as the market maturesand we will provide an HDMI for our customers when it makes senseu>. The reality is, you don?t need HDMI for HD gaming.

Todd Holmdahl

Corporate Vice President of the Xbox Product Group at MicrosoftSource:TeamXbox

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one interesting thing to note, when the hdmi output was being tested on the 360, their engineers commented that the vga picture was actually better, and they preferred it over the hdmi.

I wonder why that is?

How can a direct digital output be worse than a analog converted signal?

- when it's officially going to be announced to the public next year.

- the price.

- where is going to be sold first.

GODDAMNNIT. Next year? :D

How about Christmas?

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How can a direct digital output be worse than a analog converted signal?

I'm not sure, but my brother complains about crappy frame rates when he uses DVI over VGA on his LCD.

Anyway, XBox 360 already supports 1080p through VGA since the fall update. If people want better quality then component, now, they should get the VGA cables. If their set only supports HDMI, then they should get a converter.

MS would be stupid in not releasing an HDMI cable for the 360. Without it, the HD-DVD addon is one big joke with no way to output the HD audio on the discs. I don't believe most home theater buffs would like their audio down converted to a measly DTS soundtrack vs uncompressed PCM which can only be transmitted through multi-channel analog or HDMI.

Completely agreed. That would bring a lot of people to the PS3... but I think that Microsoft may just be targeting the largest market with their decisions. HD-DVD on 1080p (VGA) w/ 5.1 audio is still better then DVD to most people.

As for video games, I think that you will be gaining aliasing with 1080p over 720p. In fact, I've seen it in some games. Not sure if the PS3 is the same way...but some games will look better on 1080p, while others will look better on 720p. It would be nice if you could select each resolution and then depending on what game you were playing it would select the most appropriate format.

-shad

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MS would be stupid in not releasing an HDMI cable for the 360. Without it, the HD-DVD addon is one big joke with no way to output the HD audio on the discs. I don't believe most home theater buffs would like their audio down converted to a measly DTS soundtrack vs uncompressed PCM which can only be transmitted through multi-channel analog or HDMI.

No offense but Home Theatre buffs will probably buy or already have a standalone HD-DVD player rather than try playing them on a games console, integrated or addon components for devices are rarely as good as the standalone thing.

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In case they end up not being able to do it.

It just occured to me...

I think they can do it but...

one interesting thing to note, when the hdmi output was being tested on the 360, their engineers commented that the vga picture was actually better, and they preferred it over the hdmi.

maybe there is some output quality issue with the 360 hdmi.

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1080p isn't fully standard for games yet. Most if not all are rendered in 720p/1080i. There's no harm in getting a VGA cable or just using component and setting your 360 to output in 1080i while your TV deinterlaces the source to 1080p. (that's what I do)

You shouldn't let a simple HDMI cable hold you back from enjoying something as great as Gears of War or other 360 games.

When you have 50" TV then everything that comes from SCART (whatever that resolution is) looks like low quality JPG. It's like having 24" LCD monitor and using 800x600 resolution. If I want low resolution games i would prefer PSP or GBA

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No offense but Home Theatre buffs will probably buy or already have a standalone HD-DVD player rather than try playing them on a games console, integrated or addon components for devices are rarely as good as the standalone thing.

I should have elaborated.... middle class home theater buffs would love this.... while upper class people probably don't care as much. :blush:

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So you are saying that x360 output is not 480i via SCART and actually offers 720p ? :)

but what doies SCART have to do witht he post you replied to, it talked abotu VGA and Component, you know NONT scart cables, but analog cables that can do 720 p, 1080i and even 1080p signals.

your scart comment was way out of the blue and not really relevant to the discussion or least of all the post you replied to.

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Or maybe VGA just has better quality.

No, theoretically, HDMI should have superior quality as compared to VGA. HDMI is an all-digital signal, while VGA is analog.

So the fact that the testers said VGA looked better than their HDMI cable on the 360 shows that there is something wrong with the cable and thus why they haven't announced anything yet. They can't just release a half-assed HDMI cable, it just won't fly.

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No, theoretically, HDMI should have superior quality as compared to VGA. HDMI is an all-digital signal, while VGA is analog.

So the fact that the testers said VGA looked better than their HDMI cable on the 360 shows that there is something wrong with the cable and thus why they haven't announced anything yet. They can't just release a half-assed HDMI cable, it just won't fly.

Just a note. Digital does not always equate to better quality. VGA is very impressive on the 360. Originally I thought "HDMI" must be superior.. But I've seen devices running off HDMI and they didn't blow me away.

I think it depends on your television, and other circumstances.

But however, for people with TV's that have no VGA (or the VGA doesn't work well with the 360, which tends to happen) then HDMI would be FAR far better then Component lol.

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Just a note. Digital does not always equate to better quality. VGA is very impressive on the 360. Originally I thought "HDMI" must be superior.. But I've seen devices running off HDMI and they didn't blow me away.

I think it depends on your television, and other circumstances.

Yea, I know what you mean, that's why I said "theoretically".

But however, for people with TV's that have no VGA (or the VGA doesn't work well with the 360, which tends to happen) then HDMI would be FAR far better then Component lol.

As is the case with my TV. VGA looks good but my TV doesn't support 1080p resolution and at lower resolutions there are black bars on the top/bottom and the sides. So my main reason for wanting HDMI is to get better picture quality than my current Component connection.

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When you have 50" TV then everything that comes from SCART (whatever that resolution is) looks like low quality JPG. It's like having 24" LCD monitor and using 800x600 resolution. If I want low resolution games i would prefer PSP or GBA

A 50" SDTV will have the same resolution as a 15" SDTV, why would you even consider using SCART on a 50" HDTV? Can you not find an alternative input method like Component or VGA? 720p is far from low resolution, if you are serious about investing money in a good home theather system you would buy a TV with as many HD inputs as possible.

What has SCART got to do with this anyway, it's not even a HD input!

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Yea, I know what you mean, that's why I said "theoretically".

As is the case with my TV. VGA looks good but my TV doesn't support 1080p resolution and at lower resolutions there are black bars on the top/bottom and the sides. So my main reason for wanting HDMI is to get better picture quality than my current Component connection.

Well certainly having HDMI at 1080p would be better then VGA at lower resolutions. Even if it's just upscaled being at your native resolution makes a big difference.. And obviously HDMI is superior to Component..

But VGA.. I don't know.. There's something about the "look" of VGA that I like. DVI has the same look, but HDMI seems to resemble Component in many respects.. I really don't know why that is at all.. Maybe it has something to do with colour processing? But VGA just seems much better..

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