Valve: PS3 a "total disaster on so many levels"

[Cloud Constructors]

That's Gabe, lol....but I totally agree with the guy; PS3 is a wreck

[ToneKnee]

Not are, were. Half-Life was a brilliant game, whilst the mod support was superb - CS and TFC were both well handled, even though Valve didn't create either. Half-Life 2 was a very good game but not on the same level - CSS is great in many respect but support has been poor and the number of levels decreased considerably but mod support has been pretty terrible, with very few interesting projects at all. EP1 was pretty terrible - it had virtually no plot, was too short, was filled with gimmicky gameplay, was hugely delayed and was absurdly linear. EP2 looks interesting but mostly because of TF2. Valve has produced one great game and its sequel, buying up the rest of the products they market (CS, DOD, TFC, etc)... that hardly makes them a "great" developer. They have yet to prove themselves and the support for HL2 has been pretty poor - stripping out features of CS and then adding them back against via updates does not count as "support".

Don't get me wrong, I have really enjoyed Valve products. It's just that the delays and excuses are starting to wear thin and they are still playing off the huge success of the original Half-Life.

That seems, fair, while your at it, praise how great EA games is by launching bugged games, then slowly dump it's support for another franchise game: I'm talking about the Battlefield series games.

Valve is a great developer. I don't care about games being pushed back, it happens, live with it.

[obsolete_power]

another thread that is going to end with stupid fights :no:

I also agree with you KoL. Although it is all true, I think people can already see that without needing the constant reminder...Yes we all know the PS3 has failed but we don't need it to be made public time and time again!

[Captain_Wang]

Not are, were. Half-Life was a brilliant game, whilst the mod support was superb - CS and TFC were both well handled, even though Valve didn't create either. Half-Life 2 was a very good game but not on the same level - CSS is great in many respect but support has been poor and the number of levels decreased considerably but mod support has been pretty terrible, with very few interesting projects at all. EP1 was pretty terrible - it had virtually no plot, was too short, was filled with gimmicky gameplay, was hugely delayed and was absurdly linear. EP2 looks interesting but mostly because of TF2. Valve has produced one great game and its sequel, buying up the rest of the products they market (CS, DOD, TFC, etc)... that hardly makes them a "great" developer. They have yet to prove themselves and the support for HL2 has been pretty poor - stripping out features of CS and then adding them back against via updates does not count as "support".

Don't get me wrong, I have really enjoyed Valve products. It's just that the delays and excuses are starting to wear thin and they are still playing off the huge success of the original Half-Life.

I think you're totally wrong about the mod support by Valve. Not only are their tools updated regularly and free to people who purchase the games, they have many sites and support tools for people to learn how to map and model (not that I have myself). Add to that the fact that they don't cease and desist mods such as Black Mesa Source or Team Fortress Forever which most companies would see as direct competition to their own games (Half Life Source and TF2) and I think most would agree Valve do more than their fair share to help the mod community. There are plenty of good quality mods already out and some great ones coming soon Insurgency, Perfect Dark Source, Resistance and Liberation are ones I've got my eye on.

[MGS4-SS]

I also agree with you KoL. Although it is all true, I think people can already see that without needing the constant reminder...Yes we all know the PS3 has failed but we don't need it to be made public time and time again!

LOL I like it how everyone that has the chance tries to throw out something that would certainly start a fight.

[SnowRanger13]

/sigh

here we go again. Theres some stuff I'd like to say but I'm not even going to bother.

[obsolete_power]

LOL I like it how everyone that has the chance tries to throw out something that would certainly start a fight.

No man, I am just stating the truth, people don't have to agree with me and frankly I don't need people arguing my point because I respect that they have their opinion. I am just going by facts here. I mean every store I go to has at least 3 PS3 boxes available and no one even wants to hear questions about the Wii cuz they immediately say "no we don't have it and we get that questions 1000 times every day." Excuse me if I'm wrong but that alone is enough proof for most people. I mean the price is probably the thing that keeps most people away. I mean we didn't ask Sony to put blu-ray in it, they could have left it alone as just a console and the price would have been max $400 but sony did this and now they want sales....The way they think is that no matter what the price is, SOME people will buy it which is true.

[obsolete_power]

This thread should be closed before it escalates into a thermo-Neowinian war :D

[Hurmoth]

i see no facts in the article, i'll wait for a developer to give reasons so people can make their own mind up

I think you can consider Gabe as a developer. Regardless, I think he's stating his opinion here, he hasn't stated: "This fact and unless you agree with me, you're wrong." :rolleyes:

I really like Valve products, a lot actually, but the mere fact that Gabe is an ex-Microsoft employee makes his opinion just as worthless as a Sony employee saying that PS3 is the best thing since sliced bread.

[Chadwick]

its funny how this is getting thrown around as "oh not another" and "bandwagon"...

i think the right word here would be truth.

It's not like its a bunch of 12 year olds coming out and saying this, these are people that see a side of the industry half of you wish you were involved in, you dont make a public statement without support from the company you work for, or your job is as good as gone. The fact is that if these companys are all agreeing on this than how can you possibly deny the validity?

The only reason that a fight seems to start in each of these topics is when the ps3 die-hards put their fingers in their ears and start yelling and screaming so they can't hear the facts.

[Tiger.Girl]

The problem is if so many developers dislike your console they aren't going to stick around. I can't imagine the huge library of games the PS2 had on the PS3. Why invest all the extra cash for no gain. Developers aren't charity workers for Sony. Look whats happening with Guitar Hero 2 making the leap to next gen and moving to 360. I have a feeling this is how it will be with most games.

I really like Valve products, a lot actually, but the mere fact that Gabe is an ex-Microsoft employee makes his opinion just as worthless as a Sony employee saying that PS3 is the best thing since sliced bread.

Half-Life came out on PS2 and was completed for the Dreamcast. I think they will go where the money is and I don't remember anyone complaining like this in the past.

Edited January 15, 2007 by Tiger.Girl

[Hurmoth]

This thread should be closed before it escalates into a thermo-Neowinian war :D

As long as members can keep it civilized then it will be left open most likely.

[PiracyX]

Well, Gabe Newell is a smart guy....and I totally agree on his point of view.

I agree with his point of view aswell.

[Ironman273]

The problem is if so many developers dislike your console they aren't going to stick around. I can't imagine the huge library of games the PS2 had on the PS3. Why invest all the extra cash for no gain. Developers aren't charity workers for Sony. Look whats happening with Guitar Hero 2 making the leap to next gen and moving to 360. I have a feeling this is how it will be with most games.

That brings up a good point. Everyone making the "jump" to next-gen will have to re-learn the way to code games. If there are more 360s in the wild and it is easier to code for then it would be a no-brainer. When it comes to money, few developers have loyalties.

[Mike]

I think you can consider Gabe as a developer. Regardless, I think he's stating his opinion here, he hasn't stated: "This fact and unless you agree with me, you're wrong." :rolleyes:

I really like Valve products, a lot actually, but the mere fact that Gabe is an ex-Microsoft employee makes his opinion just as worthless as a Sony employee saying that PS3 is the best thing since sliced bread.

i wasn't saying he isn't / can be ignored. His opinion doesn't make it a fact, until people start giving facts behind opinions they have no meaning to me

[FreqFace]

How many people develop games, specifically PS3, on this forum? Very few, if any at all.

Don't you think the people who actually make the games we all love to play, actually know what they're talking about when they say the PS3 is bad? They spend hours and hours coding amazing games, that most of us don't even realise or even care how much work went into them. These are the people who have to develop on these consoles, and if a console is making it harder than it should be to code these games, or isn't easy to work with, I think they have every right to complain.

This isn't the first time I've seen/heard developers say something bad about the PS3, and this particular complaint is coming from a well respected developer, and when it happens this many times, maybe you should sit back and think "well maybe if these people who actually know what they're talking about are saying it's bad, then maybe, just maybe they have a point". Even big companies make mistakes, and it seems like Sony have done exactly that. Why did they think it was a good idea to put a Blu-ray drive in and jack up the price (apart from the obvious reason that they want to beat HD-DVD)? Price is everything to the consumer, and the current price is not one which alot of people are willing to hand over, even for the hyped (by Sony) PS3. Yes, maybe the PS3 will eventually become big, but it will never gain the following or popularity that the PS2 had, and it will always have the Xbox 360 either ahead of it, or very very hot on it's tail, and that's assuming that PS3 does gain popularity, that could very well not happen at all.

[b0m8er]

I used to like Gabe, but now I love him :wub:

[Joel]

i wasn't saying he isn't / can be ignored. His opinion doesn't make it a fact, until people start giving facts behind opinions they have no meaning to me

An opinion, by definition, is subjective. What facts should he present?

[TDQuiksilver]

The general consensus is right... here we go again. A lock on this before it destroys itself even more would be best. :rolleyes: Never knew Gabe was such a large guy either.. HA!

[SweetRiverBaynes]

Look about locking threads, the title is "Valve: PS3 a "total disaster on so many levels" can't you just figure out what kind of posts are going to be on here. If you don't want to be a part of it don't enter the thread and claim, "Here comes the war!". If you do want to be a part of it and fight in the "non-winning" war, then come on in and FIGHT for YOUR console!

[FreqFace]

Locking threads like this is equivalent to the... let's say loyal fans, covering their ears and shouting "LALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING LALALA".

[Hurmoth]

Let's keep it on topic please. There's no need to discuss whether or not a thread is going to be closed. If a mod feels that it should be closed, then it will be closed. If a mod doesn't feel that it should be closed, then it will be left opened. Simple as that. No discussion needed.

back on topic...

[ToneKnee]

Come on, it doesn't matter if it's fact or opinion does it? Because a top developer is calling the PS3 a disaster weighs heavily on what Sony have produced.

[Tech Star]

Thais guys said Vista sucks also

Guys knows nothing...I'm waiting till someone from the developing community tells me its crap.

Edited January 15, 2007 by Tech Star

[ToneKnee]

Thais guys said Vista sucks also

Yay for something he said which is completely irrelevant! :D :D :D