Valve: PS3 a "total disaster on so many levels"


Recommended Posts

Forgot to add the last part....:p

We will find out in the future who is the total real winner. :)

For a guy who doesn't know anything, he has done very well with HL1, HL2, Counter Strike, Counter Strike Source, and all the other mods and games he has worked on.

If he says Vista is crap, it just shows he ain't bias towards Microsoft! :p

Forgot to add the last part....:p

We will find out in the future who is the total real winner. :)

Yeah, just because you like Vista (assumption based on your avatar) and you like PS3 (assumption based on your posts) and Gabe Newell doesn't, doesn't make him wrong. It doesn't make him right either, but you can't act like a very prominent developer's opinions don't matter.

-Spenser

Yeah, just because you like Vista (assumption based on your avatar) and you like PS3 (assumption based on your posts) and Gabe Newell doesn't, doesn't make him wrong. It doesn't make him right either, but you can't act like a very prominent developer's opinions don't matter.

-Spenser

Agreed.

Alot of you guys are contradicting yourself. Fisrt you say PS3 is failing because it is hard to code for but then you say well if it didn't have the blue-ray and was cheaper then it would it be able to compete with xbox. I don't own any consoles because I think PC games blow away consoles by far.

Alot of you guys are contradicting yourself. Fisrt you say PS3 is failing because it is hard to code for but then you say well if it didn't have the blue-ray and was cheaper then it would it be able to compete with xbox. I don't own any consoles because I think PC games blow away consoles by far.

How is that contradicting ourselves? Actually, that doesn't make any sense at all.

If anything, you've just stated two common problems with the PS3.

1) It's hard to code for..

2) The unnecessary Blu-Ray drive has pumped up production costs, and has caused the company to produce far less consoles than they were originally meant to.

I understand that Blu-ray is good for holding large amounts of information, but, why force it on their customers, why not just release a add-on for it like the Xbox360 has for the HD-DVD drive?

I don't own a PS3, and I could not care less. But I can't beleive that any of you remember how people (dev) where moaning about how hard it was to put games on the PS2, the Emotion Engine was not easy to code for and that Sony had poor Devkit..... blah blah blah??

And where is the PS2 today? It's still the top selling game console. Even with the Xbox/360 and GC/Wii and PS3.

So, is that to say that Valve will not develop games for the PS3? Put your action where your mouth is, if you don't like the PS3, stand up and don't develop for it. If enough dev stop working for the PS3, maybe Sony will understand.

People saying this guys words are worthless and are meaningless need to go and learn who the REAL people in the games industry are, first of all, PC Gaming is the basis of all gaming, weather you disagree or not, because thats where the first technologies are introduced and then ported onto consoles. Gabe Newell and Valve are a big name in the gaming industry, compared to EA Games, Ubisoft, and many other companies that are more popular even though they haven't produced as much classics as this company has. Also, don't forget John Carmack who also has pointed out that the Playstation 3 is one of the hardest gaming consoles that he has come across to develop for.

People saying this guys words are worthless and are meaningless need to go and learn who the REAL people in the games industry are, first of all, PC Gaming is the basis of all gaming, weather you disagree or not, because thats where the first technologies are introduced and then ported onto consoles. Gabe Newell and Valve are a big name in the gaming industry, compared to EA Games, Ubisoft, and many other companies that are more popular even though they haven't produced as much classics as this company has. Also, don't forget John Carmack who also has pointed out that the Playstation 3 is one of the hardest gaming consoles that he has come across to develop for.

They can moan all they want. In the end, it's money that talks. If they realy don't like to develop on the PS3, well, they should not. They should let the PS3 fail. But that's not going to happen, since it's all about money. And again, remember the day of the PS2, it was all the same.

Alot of you guys are contradicting yourself. Fisrt you say PS3 is failing because it is hard to code for but then you say well if it didn't have the blue-ray and was cheaper then it would it be able to compete with xbox. I don't own any consoles because I think PC games blow away consoles by far.

It doesn't matter how hard it is to code for, if people buy it, then developers will code for it. But in that, there's a catch 22. If people are sort of buying it, but kind of waiting for the price to drop first, then developers will leave it and go for either the Wii or the 360.

So no, no one is contradicting themselves, because developers will develop for a platform if it has a large marketshare (why do you think so many malware creators target Windows?), but if people wait to buy it, then developers will move to another platform. If that happens, customers for the PS3 will loose out of exclusive games. Those games will move to another platform most likely.

Considering his comments, why are they developing for PS3/360 and not the Wii?

I have a feeling it is graphics. Valve wants the best graphics possible and the Wii cannot deliver that. Hence the reason they are developing for the 360.

I have a feeling it is graphics. Valve wants the best graphics possible and the Wii cannot deliver that. Hence the reason they are developing for the 360.

While I agree, they did port HL2 over to the Xbox. And if he really thinks Nintendo is going to lead, it'd be cheaper and more profitable to port a version to the Wii than the other 2 systems.

I respect that Valve doesn't like the direction Sony went with the PS3 (neither do I) but as a business themselves it is ridiculous to suggest that Sony drop the hundreds of millions worth of investment and abandon the millions of people that have already bought one; they are just after headlines. Perhaps I'll start listening to Valve when they can release even a single product on time - heck, even their patches are usually delayed by months. Valve was great in its prime but that time has long since passed and they are little more than a laughing stock.

I find that commenting on how their patches are delayed quite pointless. They generally don't give an exact date on when the update will arrive, and I find that they're generally good with updates. I remember when they released an update, which caused a huge bug in the competitive field of play. Everyone was raising riots and I knew they'd patch it quickly and the next working day, they did (Who expects Valve to release patches on the weekend over an unsuspecting bug?)

Anyway. Valve's statement to Sony to drop it completely is really quite huge. I doubt he means it, and just wants to get extra media points for making a shocking statement. It's hard to agree with a developer about these things, not being one and never ever developing something for any of these consoles.

Hmm after reading this again I feel its rather unprofessional. He almost sounds as bad as a drivel spewing "fanboy".

All I can say if this is 100% true then I dont think Valve will be in Sony's good books :p (could come back to haunt him IF the PS3 takes off!)

Hmm after reading this again I feel its rather unprofessional. He almost sounds as bad as a drivel spewing "fanboy".

All I can say if this is 100% true then I dont think Valve will be in Sony's good books :p (could come back to haunt him IF the PS3 takes off!)

Sony should do everything but **** off it's developers.

Sony should do everything but **** off it's developers.

:huh:

What I mean is Valve could end up not being able to release games on the PS3 thanks to that comment/or similar ones. Yes I realize this is BAD for Sony but you know what sorta grudges get held nowadays.

Is that what you thought I meant? heh.

A developer should be honest if they want to get anywhere these days. Microsoft know what to do, but Sony, after it's third try at a console, they are still arrogant and stupid not to make proper Dev Kits.

A developer should be honest if they want to get anywhere these days. Microsoft know what to do, but Sony, after it's third try at a console, they are still arrogant and stupid not to make proper Dev Kits.

Their methods haven't hurt them in the past. PS/PS2 is the best selling console to date.

It doesn't look soo gravy this time around, but you never know what wonders some time will do.

Their methods haven't hurt them in the past. PS/PS2 is the best selling console to date.

It doesn't look soo gravy this time around, but you never know what wonders some time will do.

Atari 2600 and Nintendo Super Entertainment System were the best selling consoles in their time also.

Atari 2600 and Nintendo Super Entertainment System were the best selling consoles in their time also.

Difference being Sony has dominated consistantly since 1996 with the PS brand, beating off numerous consoles

-Dreamcast

-N64

-Xbox

We'll see how they do this round.

This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Posts

    • Ford execs say they made a mistake when they replaced human engineers with AI by David Uzondu Ford recently announced that over the last three years, it's had to rehire about 350 "gray beard" engineers to mentor younger staff and reprogram diagnostic systems and AI tools that were failing to meet up to quality expectations. The company's VP of vehicle hardware engineering, Charles **** said that leaders overlooked the deep experience of veterans who survived many product cycles. **** admitted that simply replacing them with AI was a huge mistake, and that while AI is "a fantastic tool," it remains "only as good as the information you use to train it." The rehired engineers now run mandatory meetings to troubleshoot vehicles and reprogram automated engineering software and AI tools to prevent glitches before production. These technical specialists hunt for failure points before a part ever reaches the plant floor. This hands-on process prevents the massive recalls and defects that previously cost the company billions. CEO Jim Farley noted that this return to human oversight quickly decreased warranty coverages and recall costs. The change saves the automaker hundreds of millions of dollars as it aims to cut one billion dollars in expenses this year. In last year's JD Power Quality Survey, an annual study that measures the quality of a car during the first three months of ownership, Ford finished 10th among mainstream brands and scored below the industry average. But this year, JD Power ranked the automaker as the top mainstream brand, placing it above the likes of Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. Ford attributed this massive improvement directly to the expertise of these returned engineers. Ford's realization that AI cannot magically design and test quality vehicles without senior human oversight is just the tip of the iceberg. When Careerminds looked at companies that conducted AI-driven layoffs, researchers found out that 35.6% of those companies had to rehire more than half of the employees they previously fired. Another 32.7% had to rehire between 25% and 50% of them. In 2024, Sebastian Siemiatkowski, CEO of Klarna, proudly announced that its new chatbot was doing the work of 700 full-time customer service agents. As a result, the fintech company froze hiring and cut hundreds of positions. But by mid 2025, and into 2026, Klarna was scrambling to recruit human agents again because customer satisfaction had plummeted. It turns out, while AI is very good at answering basic questions like how to check an account balance, when faced with complex customer issues that require nuance, the thing usually resorts to the unhelpful, robotic corporate jargon we all know and love.
    • Free AI in IDEs is shifting to paid models Or you know, you could just learn to actually design and code apps, use frameworks to handle the repetitive parts and not use AI at all - and voila... free for life!
    • In a sane world US antitrust laws wouldn't even allow these companies to be in the position to be subjected to EU directives. As you say, better than oligarch nothing.
    • Apple reportedly has a second-generation iPhone Fold planned for 2027 Good grief, Apple hasn't even released a first folding phone and the Apple faithful is already obsessing over the sequel? Seriously people, go out and touch grass... because this level of obsession is borderline stalkery/neurotic.
    • I checked on the IPs associated with every login and they're all mine... And whenever I get a new prompt, there is no activity to show for it. 
  • Recent Achievements

    • Enthusiast
      Xonos went up a rank
      Enthusiast
    • Conversation Starter
      Admir earned a badge
      Conversation Starter
    • First Post
      The_Focal_Point earned a badge
      First Post
    • Apprentice
      daryld went up a rank
      Apprentice
    • Contributor
      Carltonbar went up a rank
      Contributor
  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      +primortal
      405
    2. 2
      +Edouard
      169
    3. 3
      PsYcHoKiLLa
      129
    4. 4
      neufuse
      69
    5. 5
      Xenon
      68
  • Tell a friend

    Love Neowin? Tell a friend!