Sony redesigns Euro PS3

[-=NeoDoug1=-]

I bought the original PlayStation on release day for ?299, and have over 100 games for it.

I bought the original PS2 on release day for ?299, and have over 60 games for it.

I will NOT be buying PS3 on release day, or any time soon, but this is NOT because of just the immediate lack of backwards compatability.

Since the PS2's release, a lot has changed in my life - I'm now married, with a child and a mortgage. I cannot justify ?425 for something I won't have time to use that much (Plus, I don't have a HD TV). However, when I can afford the time and money for a "next gen" console, it will be a PS3 (unless, of course it fails miserably in the marketplace!) By then, I would hope that the software BC emulation will cover most, if not all, of the main PS1&2 games.

Another major selling point for me is the fact that I can upgrade the HDD by just picking one up at PC World - now if Sony say they are removing this ability from the Euro version, I WILL be p***ed:devil:il:

[troist]

Full Backward compatibility for one

Cell does not pwn the 360 by 3 times (ill try to find the source for this one, many of you remember the uproar it caused here) Infact it not even proven if cell is any good at all, the 360 cpu seems to be holding its own for now.

360 graphics gpu> ps3 one (dont argue this point)

Delayed World Launch

Even More Delayed Europe Launch

what about 120fps 1080p in-game quality? thats gotta be the best of them all.

edit: where does it say about no HDD upgrade? i seriously hope thats not true... that'd make me think twice about getting this pre-order.

[Inplode]

add another nail to to the casket for sony

[daveoc64]

Yes. :laugh:

Like?

Full Backward compatibility for one

Cell does not pwn the 360 by 3 times (ill try to find the source for this one, many of you remember the uproar it caused here) Infact it not even proven if cell is any good at all, the 360 cpu seems to be holding its own for now.

360 graphics gpu> ps3 one (dont argue this point)

Delayed World Launch

Even More Delayed Europe Launch

Not to mention the horrible lies we had to swallow before the PS2 launch

heres a quick refresher

Emoction engine which allows toy story graphics

the ability to control nuclear missles

etc..

etc..

2 X HDMI?

Okay, okay.. we all get the point of that side of the story. Yes, it was wrong of Sony to promise full BC (but hey, we're not the only one that broke promises ;) ), but think about what he is actually trying to say on the other side. If you already have a PS2 and are looking to upgrade to a PS3 and find that your hundreds of PS2 games won't work right off the bat.. then why not just have the PS2 on the side and the PS3 as your center piece for the latest stuff? Most of you already have a PS2 anyways and it will insure you can play all those games until additional software updates are released. If you're buying a PS3 for BC alone then you've clearly got the wrong idea. Over reaction is right. Nothing opinionated here, just a bit of common sense suggestions. :wacko:

People shouldn't have to use a piece of hardware from seven years ago (assuming it still works).

I want my games console to play games from the previous generation.

Sony has no defence when the technology exists, they are just trying to save money whilst at the same time charging people more.

[Corris Veteran]

edit: where does it say about no HDD upgrade? i seriously hope thats not true... that'd make me think twice about getting this pre-order.

It doesn't, he was just saying that he's not as interested in the news that the PS3 wont be doing backwards compatibility that well, but if they announced that you can no longer upgrade the hard drive with your own he wouldn't be very pleased.

[spenser.d]

Okay, okay.. we all get the point of that side of the story. Yes, it was wrong of Sony to promise full BC (but hey, we're not the only one that broke promises ;) ), but think about what he is actually trying to say on the other side. If you already have a PS2 and are looking to upgrade to a PS3 and find that your hundreds of PS2 games won't work right off the bat.. then why not just have the PS2 on the side and the PS3 as your center piece for the latest stuff? Most of you already have a PS2 anyways and it will insure you can play all those games until additional software updates are released. If you're buying a PS3 for BC alone then you've clearly got the wrong idea. Over reaction is right. Nothing opinionated here, just a bit of common sense suggestions. :wacko:

What the? I have a good question. How come this argument doesn't hold for you guys when we're talking about the 360 and BC? I've used it plenty of times because it's perfectly legit, but you guys always slammed it.

-Spenser

[The Teej]

2x HDMI

Dual 1080p @ 120FPS

Full Backwards Compatibility on Day One

Worldwide Launch

599 European Price Point (It's now 629 in Ireland and 699 in Greece)

Two Configurations for Europe

It would sell 5 Million even if it didn't have any games

Cell 3x more powerful then 360

To the Use a PS2 argument: Screw that. I simply cannot fit a PS3, a PS2, an XBOX and a Cable Box under my TV. As it is I'd just about fit a PS2, a 360 and a cable box under my TV. No way am I gonna be forced to keep a PS2 around.

I'm pretty disappointed about this. I mean, when Dark Alex eventually owns the PS3 scene and allows us to be all epic with hi res texture injections for PS2 and PS1 games we'll all be laughing our heads off. But for now, not cool :looove:

[NWO_Br0THeRHo0D]

YES! let the Sony bashing begin. By verberllay abusing a company on a online forum, you might feel better about your pathetic lifes.

so what that says about you :whistle: buddy

on *topic*

sony has been screwing you all since the psp

this is nothing new and i mean that figurately with the ps3

literally with the psp

fact [psp maybe more powerfull then the ds but rehashed games make it crap] and you can play with a hack movies/music/mp3's on the ds]

same goes for the ps3 better graphics a to new movie format but still crap

[MadFerIt]

2x HDMI

Dual 1080p @ 120FPS

Full Backwards Compatibility on Day One

Worldwide Launch

599 European Price Point (It's now 629 in Ireland and 699 in Greece)

Two Configurations for Europe

It would sell 5 Million even if it didn't have any games

Cell 3x more powerful then 360

To the Use a PS2 argument: Screw that. I simply cannot fit a PS3, a PS2, an XBOX and a Cable Box under my TV. As it is I'd just about fit a PS2, a 360 and a cable box under my TV. No way am I gonna be forced to keep a PS2 around.

I'm pretty disappointed about this. I mean, when Dark Alex eventually owns the PS3 scene and allows us to be all epic with hi res texture injections for PS2 and PS1 games we'll all be laughing our heads off. But for now, not cool :looove:

Oh would you stop? How many times has this garbage been repeated in arguments that have nothing to do with it? Yeah the PS3 was not what Sony told us it would be, yes the visual quality at this point is still less then the 360. Get over it. I don't even own a Sony console and I have.

This is about the problem of European vs North America/Japan. It seems almost every console/company gives the shaft to European customers in one way or another. But from what I can remember there's never been a European console with a piece of hardware removed from it (only the NES/SNES days seemed to include vast hardware differences between regions). And obviously the software emulation isn't going to provide the same level of backwards support as with the actual emotion engine when the Euro PS3 is released, in fact it may never (and from what Sony stated in the announcement they don't really seem to indicate the support ever being that good).

But I will say to not be entirely negative, IF the software emulation includes visual enhancements similar to what the 360 does, then people may prefer this method.. But if we're talking about 480i/480p graphics with no improvements, then this won't go so well.. And it may very well be the case, since Sony hasn't made any announcements concerning it (and considering the massive backlash this has caused, they would have said something by now).

But please leave out the same old "Sony lies!" stuff, it's so old and has been repeated on this forum so many bloody times.

[The Teej]

If there was no way to get 1080p PS2/PS1 support other then doing it via Software Emulation then I'd say "Fair Enough", but it's now been proven that there's a Scalar built into the PS3.

And while people in the past have shafted the Europeans, no longer. Nintendo managed to do it well with Wii, Microsoft managed to do it well with the 360. Sony seems to be the only one with this 2001-styled mindset.

[forster]

Sony seems to be the only one with this 2001-styled mindset.

Oh, thats such an intelligent comment! Would you mind explaining that?

[Digitalx]

Well i'm still happy with it, so complain on lol jks

[forster]

Me too - cant wait to get mine *rubs hands*

[PiracyX]

What the? I have a good question. How come this argument doesn't hold for you guys when we're talking about the 360 and BC? I've used it plenty of times because it's perfectly legit, but you guys always slammed it.

-Spenser

I agreed with Spenser. All of you guys would easily bash the 360 BC and even Sony had a pop at Microsoft about this method....and look they are doing it aswell! Personally i don't agree with the 360 BC and i think its pretty crap to be honest and it annoys me that i cannot play most of my xbox1 games on my 360, just hopefully will get better.

2x HDMI

Dual 1080p @ 120FPS

Full Backwards Compatibility on Day One

Worldwide Launch

599 European Price Point (It's now 629 in Ireland and 699 in Greece)

Two Configurations for Europe

It would sell 5 Million even if it didn't have any games

Cell 3x more powerful then 360

These are all the promises that Sony touted and now look. If anything the whole world got a hardware reduced console in the end but europe being worse off. Just shows how much Sonys thinks of Europe.

[fingers.t.beaver]

When news first broke late last week of PlayStation 3 units in Australia and Europe being less backwards-compatible than US and Japanese models, many speculated that the move was all about cutting costs on Sony's next-generation console. Sony Computer Entertainment Australia managing director Michael Ephraim has now confirmed that to GameSpot AU, saying that software emulation of PS2 games was the cheaper option for Sony on the PS3.

The Australian and European model of the PlayStation 3, which is set for launch on March 23, 2007, will use different hardware specifications from the models already released in Japan on November 11, 2006, and in the US on November 17. Backwards compatibility is one of the key differences, with the new PS3s compatible with only a "limited range" of PS2 titles and a "broad range" of original PlayStation games. Ephraim said the main reason behind the different compatibilities is that Australian/European PS3s will not ship with the Emotion Engine chip installed. The Emotion Engine is the name Sony coined for the PS2's CPU. While the list of backwards-compatible PS1/PS2 games will be limited on launch, Sony will be providing regular updates to expand that list, Ephraim said.

"Clearly cost is one of the [reasons]. If software is cheaper than the cost of the chip, then why not do that?," Ephraim said. "We will be working on delivering backwards-compatibility through software emulation. The software emulation list will grow, and there?s a web site people can check to see what games are backwards-compatible. It will be a progressive emulation."

Ephraim played down the importance of backwards-compatibility on the PS3, saying that the new console has plenty more to offer prospective buyers.

"People will be able to play quite a few [PS1 and PS2] games. PS1 games are not a problem. I think PS2 backwards-compatibility is important, but when you look at what PS3?s doing with new games, digital content and so on, that specific functionality may not be as important as previously felt. But then again, that is something the consumer has to decide on. We are intending to deliver backwards-compatibility--just through different means," he said.

Ephraim said the full list of backwards-compatible games that will be ready for the PS3's Australian and European launches was still being confirmed. Sony's web site will feature a full list that goes live on March 23.

Sony exec adding to the debate this update for pal only and is purely on cost.

Source http://us.gamespot.com/news/6166394.html?o...orenews;title;2

[ToneKnee]

Sorry to say, but Sony is a hardware company, they aren't doing too well with the Software side of things. :(

[forster]

Sorry to say, but Sony is a hardware company, they aren't doing too well with the Software side of things. :(

Aside from adding great features to the PSP through software updates, great in house games.

Yes, Sony make a large proportion of their money through hardware, but christ, give them a break.

[Neonix1]

Sorry to say, but Sony is a hardware company, they aren't doing too well with the Software side of things. :(

Riiight.

Sony Computer Entertainment makes lots of games and software.

Sony Media Software makes one of the industry's best collection of media applications: Vegas for movie editing, ACID and SoundForge for audio editing and production. And so on and so on...

Sony is ALOT of things, they are involved in ALOT of different markets. Hardware and software, movie and music production, TV's, computers, professional audio equipment ++++++++++++

I don't think anyone here actually has any idea how many markets Sony are involved in. They for example have one of the biggest music and movie production studios in the world.

[Aero Ultimate]

I don't know what you guys are crying about. Sony told us about this in one of their conferences last year. :laugh:

Yes, Sony really loves screwing over their costumers big time! :x

To make up for this, Sony is charging nearly double as much for the crippled European console! Now isn't that generous of them? Their fans should be really grateful that Sony allows them to give them all their money!

[SnowRanger13]

Wow what is wrong with Sony? They better complete the emulation software for PS1 and PS2 games fast and include upscaling or a lot of people are going to be ****ed.

Who knew I'd actuality be happier owning the model from day one.

[MadFerIt]

If there was no way to get 1080p PS2/PS1 support other then doing it via Software Emulation then I'd say "Fair Enough", but it's now been proven that there's a Scalar built into the PS3.

And while people in the past have shafted the Europeans, no longer. Nintendo managed to do it well with Wii, Microsoft managed to do it well with the 360. Sony seems to be the only one with this 2001-styled mindset.

There is no proof that the PS3 has a scaler chip within it. If it did, it would be capable of both vertical and horizontal scaling. And as of yet Sony hasn't said anything about what is "handling" the limited scaling inside of it.

And I'm not sure why you think Europeans weren't shafted with the 360/Wii. It may not be as big of a shafting as with the PS3, but they were kicked in the head a few times.

[ToneKnee]

There is no proof that the PS3 has a scaler chip within it. If it did, it would be capable of both vertical and horizontal scaling. And as of yet Sony hasn't said anything about what is "handling" the limited scaling inside of it.

And I'm not sure why you think Europeans weren't shafted with the 360/Wii. It may not be as big of a shafting as with the PS3, but they were kicked in the head a few times.

The PS3 can do horizontal scaling, but that can be doing usign Software techniques apparently, vertical scaling requires a hardware scaler chip, and things when quiet after that.

Riiight.

Sony Computer Entertainment makes lots of games and software.

Sony Media Software makes one of the industry's best collection of media applications: Vegas for movie editing, ACID and SoundForge for audio editing and production. And so on and so on...

Sony is ALOT of things, they are involved in ALOT of different markets. Hardware and software, movie and music production, TV's, computers, professional audio equipment ++++++++++++

I don't think anyone here actually has any idea how many markets Sony are involved in. They for example have one of the biggest music and movie production studios in the world.

Why can't they make a decent SDK then?

[Danrarbc]

Sony exec adding to the debate this update for pal only and is purely on cost.

Source http://us.gamespot.com/news/6166394.html?o...orenews;title;2

Right, PAL only. And after going back on the 100% backward compatibility statements they've made for the past year we're supposed to believe this statement now?

[forster]

Right, PAL only. And after going back on the 100% backward compatibility statements they've made for the past year we're supposed to believe this statement now?

[seta-san]

europe is a different market. because of that you should pretend that the asian and american markets don't exist. You are getting the price you are getting for a couple reasons. There's more languages for everything to have to be translated to. in america it's english. spanish, and maybe french. europe there are dozens. next the EU trade commission has made doing buisness in europe far more expensive, the cost of your beuracracy is being passed on to you. As far as features... who really cares? so what if you can't play ps2 and ps1 games? keep your ps2 to be able to play all those.