TorrentSpy Ordered By Judge to Become MPAA Spy

[Ash]

For the most part, I don't agree with piracy, but give me a break from the lectures.

What do you expect from people. Of course they are going to pirate stuff. Take a look at all these corporations, companies and organizations. Look at what they do. How many times has Microsoft been sued over patent infringement among other things (although to this day I completely side with MS on that whole IE browser monopoly crap). The MPAA hires a hacker to hack to torrentspy. You have the Enron scandal, Martha Stewart, RIAA price fixing in the 90s. Then of course, the governments... I won't even bother getting into that because we all know about that. And i'm not just referring to the American government.

So what does this tell people? It tells them break the law until you get caught. So what the hell do these people expect? Do as we say and not as we do?

Then you have all these music labels making boat loads of money from music which promote illegal activities. You have gangster rap videos where these guys have all this money and hot babes because they sold drugs and other illegal activities, then they get teen choice awards on MTV (Ja Rule, chanting its Murda, its murda, when he got his award). Then you expect people to respect the law?

Paris Hilton goes to jail for 3 days (ohh and 42 days house arrest) for driving without a license after being busted for drunk driving. This seriously takes away the credibility of the law. Are people going to be afraid of drunk driving thinking that they will get a slap on the hand. One guy here in montreal had 6 prior DUI and was still driving and killed a woman a few weeks ago.

Then you have companies treating legit customers like crap. Sony's rootkit anyone? Music cds with such poor copy protections that people who bought the disk have trouble playing them in various PC CD drives, car stereos, diskmans, etc... to the point that it would be easier to download it and save yourself any hassles. I myself had a problem with NBC on the finale of Heroes. I also had the same problem on an episode of battlestar galactica. I pay for my digital cable, monthly, which isn't cheap by the way, and I don't download the episodes and I still get the shaft.

And of course... probably the biggest thing that has affected people is the way commercialism progressed in the past 30 years. We a "consume, consume, consume" society. The best description of this is in Fight Club. We are bombarded with messages telling us that we need this and that to make us happy, and it's to such an extent that people who don't have these item are made to feel less of themselves. And it worked. Basketball players tell you that you need 300$ Nike shoes to be somebody. The Nike thing it's as extreme now, but in the mid to late 90s it was quite often you hear of people getting stabbed or even killed for a pair of Nike shoes. There has always been such elitism, but the extent and the divide is much larger in the past 30 years.

It's the society we live in, the people who should be setting the examples are setting the wrong ones. People who download stuff probably aren't sitting there thinking "what kinda evil bad things can I do today", they are probably sitting there thinking "**** it, EVERYONE else is doing it".

Also on a side note, without piracy, the technology field would probably still be stuck int he late 80s. I bet almost everybody who does graphics, started out with a pirated copy of Photoshop, Corel draw or Paint shop pro. Without all these graphic designers, I bet sales of Adobe's products would be quite lower. Web design would not have taken off like it did so the internet would probably be a lot emptier. Same thing for programmers. Without people copying windows, it may not have become the standard when it did. It could have been *nix that would have. And the biggest surge in computer acceptance was done with the help of Napster. When the new was bombarded with news about people downloading free mp3s, thats the point where soo many people started buying computers. Prior to that point, you were a geek if you used computers, after that you were a weirdo if you didn't.

Just some food for thought.

[kylejn]

do american citizens not have something about privacy written into the constitution?

Actually, no, we don't. The right to privacy is not explicitly protected in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, or any of the Amendments, if I remember correctly. In practice, however, enough other rulings and aspects of the aforementioned documents are broad enough to sort of make it a non-issue. But no, the right to privacy is not explicitly protected.

[Rappy Veteran]

Thing is, TorrentSpy are never going to actually give details to the MPAA - they'll just move their servers or something to avoid it.

Yeah I mean if anyone did shut down torrentspy which I doubt they would just restart somewhere else as something new...

[Inplode]

Haha, so owned.

This should teach you folks not to pirate again...

please get back in to your mom's basement ....

private torrents ftw

[PL_ Veteran]

Crap :(

[serenityrule1515]

hehe...dont u wish u lived in Vietnam rite now or eastern europe??...where piracy is like a 80% common factor....no MPAA or Cra** like that

want advice if yu're caught...DENY EVERYTHING...and LEG IT !! :rolleyes:

[Brian M. Veteran]

Yeah I mean if anyone did shut down torrentspy which I doubt they would just restart somewhere else as something new...

Exactly, these website will never dissapear off of the internet, simply because of what they are. Any type of website that deals with anything illegal is, on a long term basis, uncontrollable.

hehe...dont u wish u lived in Vietnam rite now or eastern europe??...where piracy is like a 80% common factor....no MPAA or Cra** like that

want advice if yu're caught...DENY EVERYTHING...and LEG IT !! :rolleyes:

I somehow doubt that would work :p

[nexess]

These old farts know nothing about computers, but they make laws for it :D

[Xtreme2damax]

I didn't read Jetblacks full post. As long as you admit that you have done your fair share of downloading, instead of acting like Mr. Right or Mr. Perfect, I don't have a problem.

It doesn't mean that if I acquire something by less than legal methods, I think it's right. I by all means think they should protect their Intellectual Property, god knows if I ever made anything whether a program, song, movie I'd want it protected (Not by Copy Protection).

In todays world, it's no longer about the consumer or what they can do to better our experience and their products. It's more about corporate greed and power, stepping all over the consumer while fattening their own wallets with their agenda. Ash's post pretty much explains why people pirate stuff. They do know what they are doing isn't right, but they do it because it is the only way they can get what they want/need.

If I want to share a copy of my movie, game, or music, I should be able to. I paid for it, and supported their company so leave me the **** alone. I shouldn't be bound by restrictive EULA's, Senseless and Destructive Copy Protections, and other bull****. I should be able to Back up my games Without worrying about copy protection preventing me from doing it.

Corporations and big labels are getting lazy. Alot of stuff produced nowadays is complete crap no one wants to waste money and find it cheaper, quicker and more worthwhile to download. Some people can't afford to pay mega money for the latest Windows OS, and are also sick of Microsofts tactics, downright lies and deception, Monopolistic attitude and rather download it instead of supporting an evil, monopolistic, greedy company like Microsoft.

If anyone is really at a wrong it's these company's which don't try to do anything to improve customer experience, appeal and satisfaction, and only have their agenda at fattening their corporate greedy wallets. Let me ask you something, would you Pay for Crap products, or would you obtain it for free if you could?

Most people download things to see if the final product is viable and worthwhile to purchase. A lot of times there isn't a trial or demo that lets you "Try Before You Buy". Most people that pirate will eventually buy the actual product if they deem that it's a great product and worth the money.

There are a lot of reasons that contribute to piracy. Before you spout off at the mouth or your PC take some time to learn why and educate yourself of the reasons. We don't think it's any more right than you do, and neither do I think most of you with your sny little comments like "Owned" or "People shouldn't pirate", or the pirates are the only ones worrying I want you to take a good look at yourself and if you are as innocent as you sound in you're post. I really don't think your as innocent as you sound, and quite frankly the mass hypocrisy is getting a bit old and on my nerves.

[cbosdell]

who else here wants bonzibuddy to stfu?

i use torrents to download missed shows like the couple lost episodes i missed, and the heroes episode i missed, its not stealing cuase i cant buy it anyway.

or outdated games that i cant download/buy anymore.

I second that. :)

[NEVER85]

hehe...dont u wish u lived in Vietnam rite now or eastern europe??...where piracy is like a 80% common factor....no MPAA or Cra** like that

Why would I want to live there? Piracy laws may not exist but the standard of living would be lower as well.

[L3thal Veteran]

Why would I want to live there? Piracy laws may not exist but the standard of living would be lower as well.

Which most of the people here fail to understand.

[bonzibuddy]

I weep for humanity ... apparently breaking the law is OK for some people :no:

[revvo]

I weep for humanity ... apparently breaking the law is OK for some people :no:

And how many countries follow your laws? And does your country recognize our laws giving us rights to do such things like backups of our personal media? Ok then.

[7Dash8]

This is absolutely terrible. How dare they take away our right to download whatever we want without paying for it. What an outrage! This is the greatest injustice in the history of the human race.

[Berserk87]

I weep for humanity ... apparently breaking the law is OK for some people :no:

i thought i told u take a hike! :angry:

torrent sites are used for a lot more then just piracy.

[+Warwagon MVC]

i thought i told u take a hike! :angry:

torrent sites are used for a lot more then just piracy.

lol, keep telling yourself that,especially like a slite like torrentsply

are torrents use for things other than piracy, yes, but we are talking about torrent spy so using that argument taking a hike yourself!

[leesmithg]

I bet they write a new torrent app.

torrent-snitch or torrent-grass.

Which one do ya want!

[ozgeek]

Well damn, time to move out of torrent-spy. I've alway relied on this site to read comments to ensure I download a "genuine" files and not virus-infected stuff.

Actually Torrents are NOT illegial. It's what you download throught it that is. These websites like TorrentSpy, have nothing "illegial" on their servers. Just a "bookmark" file directing you to the actual files. Therefore Torrentspy should not be to blame, but the user who created the torrent. For example, some one could create a torrent for OpenOffice.org, a FREE office suite which can be shared. That person is in the right, and if someone creates a torrent for example like a full version of Photoshop, then that person should be punished, not TorrentSpy.

The **AA need to do some more research on how P2P works and start to take responsbility on not to punish the wrong people. It's looks like that they are trying to gain monopoly control of the music/movie industry.

[Berserk87]

lol, keep telling yourself that,especially like a slite like torrentsply

are torrents use for things other than piracy, yes, but we are talking about torrent spy so using that argument taking a hike yourself!

ive never used torrent spy so im not sure how much of there content is legit or illegal, and i was talking to bonzai buddy, and his "im better then you, your gonna burn in hell" attitude.

[Rappy Veteran]

I weep for humanity ... apparently breaking the law is OK for some people :no:

Not the purple monkey!!! =D

[.Kompressor]

lol

well there's always PirateBay (Sweden) for searching for torrents. They told MPAA up yours and added more servers after winning their case. LMAO.

[Chad]

Someone is against piracy (bonsaibuddy) and the members here flame him. How sad.

That being said...personal attacks will be met with a posting restriction.

[SoCalledChaos]

Gotta love living in canada :D

[Xtreme2damax]

Someone is against piracy (bonsaibuddy) and the members here flame him. How sad.

That being said...personal attacks will be met with a posting restriction.

We are not flaming him, we are only pointing out the obvious that he is not as innocent as he tries to sound. No one is, and they really need to stop with this perfect "I'm Better than You, I do no wrong" Attitude. At least someone has or will have pirated at least once in their lives that uses a computer, and all of you can deny it all you want. It takes a man to admit something, and we are not as stupid or easily fooled and belittled as you'd like to think.

This or any of my post's were not meant to flame, only for mere information and factual claims. All we were doing is explaining something, and I doubt you are even so innocent yourself Neowin Moderator. No one is perfect, so all we are saying is stop acting like you are, admit it, move on and enjoy your life.

I go through enough of this "I'm so perfect and better than you, never doing any wrong" Attitude in real life enough, and it is as annoying if not more visiting a forum and putting up with the same bull.

Yes I may be Banned or Restricted from posting, but I am only stating my point of view and opinion I was given in conjunction with free speech and freedom of expression as an American Citizen and am merely expressing myself. If I'm going to be penalized or threatened with a posting restriction for merely expressing myself as a given right, I guess by all means do what is necessary in your eyes and restrict me ;)