TorrentSpy Ordered By Judge to Become MPAA Spy

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I thoroughly enjoy piracy, it makes me smile :)

[7Dash8]

Here in the U.S. if you see a torrent that has the name of Gone.In.60.Seconds.torrent and you think because of the name that it is in fact the movie and you download it, you can be busted for it even though it wasn't the movie. A friend of mine was busted over the very same thing. The judge ruled that he thought he was getting the legit movie so that makes him guilty.

That's why there's such a thing as 'attempted murder'. That's also why you can go to jail for trying to rob a convenience store with a fake gun. It doesn't matter what you actually do, it's what you're trying to do that counts.

I "sample" 3 or 4 songs and if I like it enough to think the rest of the album is just as good, I buy the CD and remove the downloads. If I don't like it, I don't buy the CD, and I remove the downloads.

May I humbly suggest that you are in the tiniest of minorities in that regard. People don't download 30-40GB of torrents just to sample material they will end up buying. Most online music stores allow you to sample music at low bit rates, or portions at high bit rate, absolutely free of charge. You don't need to download a full high bit rate song to sample it.

As Occam's Razor says, "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one." In other words it seems quite likely and most logical that people who use torrent sites are by and large copying copious amounts of material they do not have a right to get for free, precisely so they don't have to ever pay for it.

I don't know about you, but how I was raised, I was never taught to believe I have the right to get something for nothing. Obviously an entirely new generation of thieves believe otherwise...

[admf]

I don't know about you, but how I was raised, I was never taught to believe I have the right to get something for nothing. Obviously an entirely new generation of thieves believe otherwise...

I was also raised in the same manner. But I'm also not one who's happy to be stolen from, and the prices demanded for new albums or even old ones tbh are a total joke. It doesn't even make any sense. They charge huge amounts for what is essentially an extremely cheap piece of material, the CD. And when they start trying the guilt trip about the artists? Coming from publishers is unbelievable, being that if I recall correctly the majority of bands signed by these large publishers (upwards of 90%) are failed horribly and left to rot by these publishers. In what other industry would a company be allowed to get away with a 90% failure rate? The only thing they are looking out for is their wealth. As far as they are concerned, it's a case of 'screw the artists, screw the customer, so long as we can fleece people for as much as possible we will'. And they do. It's a massive insult.

If some supermarket started charging ?100 for a bunch of bananas and then told you it was stealing if you grew your own or bought some from some black market style thing, you wouldn't just accept it. The only reason people accept it in the case of music CDs is because it's been slowly drip fed into culture that these prices are 'normal' for music.

The real thieves are the huge corporate publishers.

[DJLunacy]

That's why there's such a thing as 'attempted murder'. That's also why you can go to jail for trying to rob a convenience store with a fake gun. It doesn't matter what you actually do, it's what you're trying to do that counts.

May I humbly suggest that you are in the tiniest of minorities in that regard. People don't download 30-40GB of torrents just to sample material they will end up buying. Most online music stores allow you to sample music at low bit rates, or portions at high bit rate, absolutely free of charge. You don't need to download a full high bit rate song to sample it.

As Occam's Razor says, "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one." In other words it seems quite likely and most logical that people who use torrent sites are by and large copying copious amounts of material they do not have a right to get for free, precisely so they don't have to ever pay for it.

I don't know about you, but how I was raised, I was never taught to believe I have the right to get something for nothing. Obviously an entirely new generation of thieves believe otherwise...

Yes there is something called attempted murder.. When you open that pandora's box you also have a judge and a jury. You have to prove something is or isn't and beyond a reasonable doubt.

Then there is that little thing called intent.

Pretty easy to figure out intent when somebody tries to rob a convenience store right.

Why is that?

ca

Eye witnesses, Video tapes, cams etc.

I'm sure you know the steps after that....

The difference is gone in 60 seconds could be the Major Motion Picture with Mr. Cage... or it could be me blowing the doors off a random car, me smoking a blunt as fast as i can to see how gone i can get in 60 seconds.

Yes all those things could be what somebody is downloading.... But i guess the only people who know what they are intending to do or not to do would be the said person. Why because NOBODY actually witnessess this alleged crime.

It's a bunch of 1 and 0's that say somebody tried to do something. Doesn't say who or what exactly, and it's not a bulletproof case either.

[7Dash8]

Then there is that little thing called intent.

Pretty easy to figure out intent when somebody tries to rob a convenience store right.

Why is that?

ca

Eye witnesses, Video tapes, cams etc.

I'm sure you know the steps after that....

The difference is gone in 60 seconds could be the Major Motion Picture with Mr. Cage... or it could be me blowing the doors off a random car, me smoking a blunt as fast as i can to see how gone i can get in 60 seconds.

Seems pretty straight forward to me. Your friend was trying to download a file called 'Gone.in.60.seconds' from a torrent link, and unless he is the habit of randomly downloading files he has no idea of the contents of, it's pretty clear he was trying to download and hence obtain a movie without paying for it. Do we really need a judge and jury for something so obvious?

I was also raised in the same manner. But I'm also not one who's happy to be stolen from, and the prices demanded for new albums or even old ones tbh are a total joke.

Simple solution - don't buy them. Music, movies and games are not necessities, they are luxuries. The major record companies are not 'stealing' anything from you, you are willingly getting into a purchasing arrangement with them. If you really want to make an impact and still retain your morals, then don't buy and don't listen to these 'overpriced' albums. Downloading them and hence getting them for free makes you the thief and them the victims.

Two wrongs don't make a right. None of this is rocket science, none of it really requires the law to get involved. If you're getting entertainment without giving any compensation to the people who create and provide that entertainment, you are stealing. You're not doing it to keep yourself from starving, or to feed small children in Africa. You're doing it because it's easy and it's free, and all the nonsense arguments in the world don't make it right.

[xp1ode]

Simple solution - don't buy them. Music, movies and games are not necessities, they are luxuries. The major record companies are not 'stealing' anything from you, you are willingly getting into a purchasing arrangement with them. If you really want to make an impact and still retain your morals, then don't buy and don't listen to these 'overpriced' albums. Downloading them and hence getting them for free makes you the thief and them the victims.

Two wrongs don't make a right. None of this is rocket science, none of it really requires the law to get involved. If you're getting entertainment without giving any compensation to the people who create and provide that entertainment, you are stealing. You're not doing it to keep yourself from starving, or to feed small children in Africa. You're doing it because it's easy and it's free, and all the nonsense arguments in the world don't make it right.

Sorry but that doesnt seem like a very straight forward argument. IF you simply dont like the way a company is doing business or its practices, you dont just stop buying what is being sold just because they are the ones doing it wrong. You find other alternatives, in this case the other alternative is or could be if the artists themselves sold their own music or to buy it from itunes where the music is kind of priced fair. THe only problem with this scenario is that the company (MPAA and RIAA) are the only ones in business that do this kind of work. Entertainment is a necessity, i don't know about you, but listening to music is very necessary to me, and watching the ocassional movie. You can't go your days without listening to music or wanting to watch a brand new movie. This is how it works, they have what you want, and they will overprice it because you know you want it, is pretty dumb to say, well i will not buy it because they are overpricing it. Speak out about it somehow, so that they know that this shiet that they call music and want to charge an arm and a leg for is not worth it. Some movies are worth it, as well as some songs.

Thats just the way i see it. the MPAA and RIAA are in fact crooks, crooks that are way out of most of our league, because of the fact that they have so much money they have been piling up in the last years. Us as a single person can't do anything about it, but hopefully sites like TorrentSpy and other torrent sites, will make these greedy ****ers know that some of the **** they want to sell it just plain sucks and is not worth $20 or whatever currency you pay for it.

[theyarecomingforyou]

if I recall correctly the majority of bands signed by these large publishers (upwards of 90%) are failed horribly and left to rot by these publishers.

Of course, that's why the record industry pays comparatively little to artists... the record labels have to finance a huge number of artists that fail and get nowhere in order to find the decent acts. It's great that they do, otherwise musicians like myself wouldn't have much of a chance.

the MPAA and RIAA are in fact crooks, crooks that are way out of most of our league, because of the fact that they have so much money they have been piling up in the last years.

The damages they seek from individuals are excessive but they have the right legally to do so because the people they sue (with few exceptions) have infringed upon copyrighted works - the biggest issue is that courts won't stand up to them and demand the amounts they seek are reasonable and fair. I disagree with their business model but calling the MPAA/RIAA crooks is just an excuse to pirate content. I don't claim to be squeaky clean but I accept that downloading music I don't own is illegal. I hate whingers. Pirate music but don't try to excuse yourself for it. At the end of the day you have no entitlement to music and if you can't afford it (whether due to excessive pricing or not) you shouldn't have it.

[Bawx]

So should I stop download from torrentspy? :(

[xp1ode]

Of course, that's why the record industry pays comparatively little to artists... the record labels have to finance a huge number of artists that fail and get nowhere in order to find the decent acts. It's great that they do, otherwise musicians like myself wouldn't have much of a chance.

The damages they seek from individuals are excessive but they have the right legally to do so because the people they sue (with few exceptions) have infringed upon copyrighted works - the biggest issue is that courts won't stand up to them and demand the amounts they seek are reasonable and fair. I disagree with their business model but calling the MPAA/RIAA crooks is just an excuse to pirate content. I don't claim to be squeaky clean but I accept that downloading music I don't own is illegal. I hate whingers. Pirate music but don't try to excuse yourself for it. At the end of the day you have no entitlement to music and if you can't afford it (whether due to excessive pricing or not) you shouldn't have it.

YOu are definitely right about the part that if i cant afford it then i cant have it, and also the part about calling them crooks. But the only reasoning behind me calling them crooks is because by them overpricing the content and them not wanting other alternatives to people acquiring the music, makes them crooks. They want to be the only fish in town, they want to be Number 1 and case closed. Itunes is doing very well in selling music, but what exactly do they want to do, overprice it even at that level, so they can enrich themselves filthy even more. Now that, in my opinion deserves them to be called crooks. They already make enough money when albums sell around a million or more copies, which till this day are plenty of good albums done by good artists. I myself download music, and if i like it then i buy it, because sometimes is nice to have an album before other people, and once is available then i purchase it. By being a consumer and knowing how much i have to spend to watch a movie, or listen to a song or an album, is not fair. But like i said you are definitely right about the part that if i can't afford it then i can't have it...

[netstarman]

If we could only block there snooping IP searching, MPAA blows. Maybe i can Torrent the MPAA my cats stinky litter box . :devil:

[Ferret]

I can't actually see this standing !

I don't think TorrentSpy will have to do this, they will win the appeal.

[+mrbester MVC]

Even if TorrentSpy lose the appeal, they won't comply or they'll get branded with the same bend-over-part-the-cheeks label applied to Yahoo for giving private information to the Chinese government under "threat" of restriction of commercial opportunities. I would hope they have sufficient personal integrity to never agree to what amounts to a fishing exercise, move their servers to anywhere but the US and tell the judge / MPAA to get stuffed.

If sueing dead people, those without internet access and those who have downloaded legally isn't crooked (look up extortion) I don't know what is. It's just a shame sheeple believe the propaganda and continue to spout the corporate line which is in place to screw everybody apart from themselves and to lobby to have sentencing greater than that for killing someone for copying a file.

[fiercedeity]

SO if you downloaded something in march will it show up in ram?