Does Safari's cleartype text give you a headache?

By guarana0324
in Web Browser Discussion & Support

 Share

Recommended Posts

Mentor

tao muon

Posted
Posted (edited)
Sigh. Go to an Apple store and use a Mac. Different design philosophies between Microsoft and Apple that's all. I prefer Apple's borderless ways because I find borders pointless but that is simply my opinion.

Oh, and without borders, there is no definition, no separation.

What is the square root of pi?

~= 1.77245.... Since Pi is irrational we can never get an exact answer and we have to settle for an approximation.

Grand Master

giga Veteran

Posted
  • Veteran
Posted
Yes, I suppose so.

My complaint is that the desktop had the gold 'stripes' that disappear on the left side of the Safari window and leave a vertical band 'blackish' between the top and bottom of the window. It looked like the left side of the window was just /gone/ and had nothing left. The content of the window was indented and... nothing filled the empty space.

That is exactly my point.

At least IE7 draws a border around its window so that you can see where the desktop ends and the window begins.

And that is where the conversation started.

So...

What next?

Can I bother you of a screenshot of that site on a Mac?

http://taomuon.youdontcare.com

I'm not seeing any blackish between the top and bottom of the window? Maybe my wallpaper is just confusing you. :s The desktop and window is clearly separated by a shadow but if you prefer thick borders like IE then more power to you.

post-18268-1181970526_thumb.png

Mentor

tao muon

Posted
Posted
I'm not seeing any blackish between the top and bottom of the window? Maybe my wallpaper is just confusing you. :s The desktop and window is clearly separated by a shadow but if you prefer thick borders like IE then more power to you.

post-18268-1181970526_thumb.png

This is a copy of the screenshot you posted. Notice the black'ish' band on the left of the Safari window, just below the navigation arrows. It's obvious the band is part of the window, because the goldish barber pole stripes stop where you would expect them to if you extended the menu bar down to the bottom bar.

deskfont.png

Grand Master

gigapixels Veteran

Posted
  • Veteran
Posted (edited)
This is a copy of the screenshot you posted. Notice the black'ish' band on the left of the Safari window, just below the navigation arrows. It's obvious the band is part of the window, because the goldish barber pole stripes stop where you would expect them to if you extended the menu bar down to the bottom bar.

What? Seriously, tell us what you're smoking, because nobody else here is seeing anything like what you're apparently seeing.

Mentor

tao muon

Posted
Posted
What? Seriously, tell us what you're smoking, because nobody else here is seeing anything like what you're apparently seeing.

I post a screen shot of what I'm seeing and no one else sees it... and you ask me for what I'm smoking?

What more do you want... another screenshot? Look... or maybe you should lay off the smokes.

Mentor

tao muon

Posted
Posted
I'm lost--any help anybody? Could you make some arrows because I'm looking under the navigation arrows trying to find a black band but the only black thing is the Bookmarks Bar separator. :s

I didn't think it'd be so hard to explain to people. I thought descriptions and directions would suffice. I was wrong... so give me a moment and I'll put it up.

Grand Master

gigapixels Veteran

Posted
  • Veteran
Posted
I post a screen shot of what I'm seeing and no one else sees it... and you ask me for what I'm smoking?

What more do you want... another screenshot? Look... or maybe you should lay off the smokes.

You know, even though I was just joking, I must say that there is more evidence to you being on something than me, since you're the only one seeing a "black band" in those screenshots.

Modify the screenshot, with something circling what you're trying to point out.

Grand Master

QuarterSwede

Posted
Posted (edited)

Not having a problem. On white backgrounds you simply get the shadow so you still get definition.

Sorry about the scrollbar on the right. I only have a 12" display which has 1024x768 so the scrollbar was bound to come up. I think you get the picture (no pun intended) with just the left side and bottom edges.

post-11680-1181971798_thumb.jpg

Mentor

tao muon

Posted
Posted (edited)
I'm lost--any help anybody? Could you make some arrows because I'm looking under the navigation arrows trying to find a black band but the only black thing is the Bookmarks Bar separator. :s

post-190766-1181972061_thumb.jpg

So, pick your superlative and flame away. But that looks like a vertical black band at the left of the Safari window to me.

I'm surprised I had to post a picture with a red circle oval to describe the 'left side of the Safari window'.

Now, if you want to be intelligent and discuss my errors with me, I'm fine with that.

And by the way, I'm trying to make dinner, so at least give me the benefit of 5 minutes to reply.

Grand Master

gigapixels Veteran

Posted
  • Veteran
Posted
So, pick your superlative and flame away.

I'm surprised I had to post a picture with a red circle to describe the 'left side of the Safari window'.

Now, if you want to be intelligent and discuss my errors with me, I'm fine with that.

Are you kidding me?

Once again, that's part of the Neowin theme. We already explained this to you. Please, stop with this banter and accept that there is no border on the left side of a Safari window.

And just to help show you, here's an image from my desktop using Firefox on Windows:

post-20309-1181972435_thumb.jpg

See the same exact thing, except there's also another border from Firefox itself? It's from Neowin.

Mentor

tao muon

Posted
Posted (edited)
Are you kidding me?

Once again, that's part of the Neowin theme. We already explained this to you. Please, stop with this banter and accept that there is no border on the left side of a Safari window.

So, IE7 has a border and Safari doesn't and it's Neowin's fault?

post-190766-1181972881_thumb.jpg

Why do you keep bringing it back to Neowin?

IE7 shows a border, Safari doesn't.

Plain and simple.

Mentor

tao muon

Posted
Posted (edited)

ooh... look at the shiny apple logo....

p r e t t y

my bad for trying to have an intelligent discussion.

Hahahaha, I can't believe this guy. Now it's our fault he didn't understand. Wow. I'm done.

You were done before you had the chance to start.

One can't convert the convinced, so you're already... well... <shrug>

And I had a nice red ellipse... and....

Look-

Hahahaha, I can't believe this guy. Now it's our fault he didn't understand. Wow. I'm done.

Sorry, but I have to ask...

Your signature quotes a fiction writer quoting a work of fiction?

What is up with that?

Mentor

beanboy89

Posted
Posted

I am genuinely confused by all this... Something about Safari and Neowin and a border?

Anyway, I personally dislike Safari's font smoothing. Even with the light smoothing it seems muddy or blurry to me, whereas ClearType on seems very clean and smooth. I used Safari for a while on Windows, and I couldn't stand to read a large block of text in Safari.

This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Posts

    • AnyDesk 9.7.8

      By Copernic · Posted

      AnyDesk 9.7.8 by Razvan Serea AnyDesk is a fast remote desktop system and enables users to access their data, images, videos and applications from anywhere and at any time, and also to share it with others. AnyDesk is the first remote desktop software that doesn't require you to think about what you can do. CAD, video editing or simply working comfortably with an office suite for hours are just a few examples. AnyDesk is designed for modern multi-core CPUs. Most of AnyDesk's image processing is done con­currently. This way, AnyDesk can utilize up to 90% of modern CPUs. AnyDesk works across multiple platforms and operating systems: Windows, Linux, Free BSD, Mac OS, iOS and Android. Just 7 megabytes - downloaded in a glimpse, sent via email, or fired up from your USB drive, AnyDesk will turn any desktop into your desktop in se­conds. No administrative privileges or installation needed. AnyDesk 9.7.8 fixes: Fixed a bug that could lead to a crash Download: AnyDesk 9.7.8 | 8.0 MB (Free for private use, paid upgrade available) Links: AnyDesk Home Page | Other platforms | Release History | Screenshot Get alerted to all of our Software updates on Twitter at @NeowinSoftware
    • One big question about Mars was answered thanks to Einstein's 100 year old theory

      By seeprime · Posted

      My comment was intended to be humorous. I believe scientists already knew it since they comprehend relatively. Maybe I'm assuming that.
    • Ford execs say they made a mistake when they replaced human engineers with AI

      By ryansurfer98 · Posted

      Surprise Execs are dumb. I hope the rehired engineers said were not coming back until we get 2x our salary.
    • Ford execs say they made a mistake when they replaced human engineers with AI

      By David Uzondu · Posted

      Ford execs say they made a mistake when they replaced human engineers with AI by David Uzondu Ford recently announced that over the last three years, it's had to rehire about 350 "gray beard" engineers to mentor younger staff and reprogram diagnostic systems and AI tools that were failing to meet up to quality expectations. The company's VP of vehicle hardware engineering, Charles **** said that leaders overlooked the deep experience of veterans who survived many product cycles. **** admitted that simply replacing them with AI was a huge mistake, and that while AI is "a fantastic tool," it remains "only as good as the information you use to train it." The rehired engineers now run mandatory meetings to troubleshoot vehicles and reprogram automated engineering software and AI tools to prevent glitches before production. These technical specialists hunt for failure points before parts ever reach the plant floor, helping prevent the massive recalls and defects that previously cost the company billions as it aims to cut one billion dollars in expenses this year. In last year's JD Power Quality Survey, an annual study that measures the quality of a car during the first three months of ownership, Ford finished 10th among mainstream brands and scored below the industry average. But this year, JD Power ranked the automaker as the top mainstream brand, placing it above the likes of Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. Ford attributed this massive improvement directly to the expertise of these returned engineers. Ford's realization that AI cannot magically design and test quality vehicles without senior human oversight is just the tip of the iceberg. When Careerminds looked at companies that conducted AI-driven layoffs, researchers found out that 35.6% of those companies had to rehire more than half of the employees they previously fired. Another 32.7% had to rehire between 25% and 50% of them. In 2024, Sebastian Siemiatkowski, CEO of Klarna, proudly announced that its new chatbot was doing the work of 700 full-time customer service agents. As a result, the fintech company froze hiring and cut hundreds of positions. But by mid 2025, and into 2026, Klarna was scrambling to recruit human agents again because customer satisfaction had plummeted. It turns out, while AI is very good at answering basic questions like how to check an account balance, when faced with complex customer issues that require nuance, the thing usually resorts to the unhelpful, robotic corporate jargon we all know and love.
    • Microsoft updates Visual Studio Code with chat cost tracking and multi-agent chats

      By The Werewolf · Posted

      Free AI in IDEs is shifting to paid models Or you know, you could just learn to actually design and code apps, use frameworks to handle the repetitive parts and not use AI at all - and voila... free for life!

  • Recent Achievements

    • Week One Done
      xvvxcvv earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • One Month Later
      xvvxcvv earned a badge
      One Month Later
    • Enthusiast
      Xonos went up a rank
      Enthusiast
    • Conversation Starter
      Admir earned a badge
      Conversation Starter
    • First Post
      The_Focal_Point earned a badge
      First Post

  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      +primortal
      405
    2. 2
      +Edouard
      169
    3. 3
      PsYcHoKiLLa
      129
    4. 4
      neufuse
      69
    5. 5
      Xenon
      68
    Show More

  • Tell a friend

    Love Neowin? Tell a friend!