Microsoft sings 'O Canada' amid immigration challenges

[Hurmoth]

Amid challenges getting enough foreign programmers admitted into the U.S., Microsoft plans this fall to open a development center in Canada.

The new software development center will open somewhere in the Vancouver, British Columbia, area and will be "home to software developers from around the world," Microsoft said in a statement on Thursday.

"The Vancouver area is a global gateway with a diverse population, is close to Microsoft's corporate offices in Redmond, and allows the company to recruit and retain highly skilled people affected by immigration issues in the U.S.," Microsoft said.

The announcement of Microsoft's Canadian plans follows the failure of an immigration bill that would have expanded the number of foreign high-tech workers that could have come to the country each year under so-called H1-B visas.

High-tech companies have been pushing hard to get Congress to increase the number of visas they are allotted. In separate Capitol Hill appearances, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates made a strong plea for unlimited H-1B visas, while a Google executive credited the company's success to foreigners and called for expanded ability to hire them.

But so far, a broader feud has killed two attempts by the U.S. Senate to overhaul the immigration system, including a bump in the H-1B quota from a base level of 60,000 to at least 115,000. Silicon Valley wasn't pleased with all of the bill, but it was also counting on passage of amendments that would provide greater assurances that green cards for permanent residency come through and create new exemptions for foreigners with advanced degrees.

Now companies are left to hope that their congressional allies will pass standalone bills, severed from the larger immigration debate, to accomplish those tasks. Although a number of senators have indicated support for the tech industry's goals, others have taken an arguably more measured approach, proposing bills aimed at curbing H-1B abuse while upping the quota.

Microsoft spokesman Lou Gellos said that while the immigration issue was a factor, the company would be opening the center in Vancouver even if it were not for the immigration challenges. That said, Vancouver is particularly attractive since it is a short drive from Redmond, Wash., but not bound by U.S. immigration policies.

"It does help us address that challenge we have in the United States of hiring very qualified people, many of whom are graduating from schools in the U.S., but who cannot acquire the necessary documentation to work in the U.S.," Gellos said.

Microsoft plans to start with a couple hundred workers, but is looking for a spot "with room to grow," Gellos said. "We haven't finalized the actual facility or the site yet," he said. "Once we get an indication of where we can do the center, that will help us to clarify the numbers."

The software maker currently has just over 900 workers in Canada, most of whom are based in Toronto, where Microsoft has its local subsidiary as well as sales, marketing and some development staff. There is also a sales office in Vancouver.

Microsoft's move is hardly its first venture offshore. While the bulk of its workers are in the greater Seattle area, Microsoft has expanded its development efforts in recent years, adding efforts in Denmark, Israel, India, China and the United Kingdom, among other locales. Microsoft recently announced plans to expand operations in Bellevue, Wash., near its Redmond campus, and in Fargo, N.D. The company also has development efforts in North Carolina and Silicon Valley.

Microsoft Canada President Phil Sorgen said his unit had long pushed Canada as a great place for the software maker to do development work.

"We have burgeoning high-tech and software industries and a globally envied quality of life, and our cities represent exactly the kind of environment that leading information workers want to live in," he said in a statement. "This center will help Microsoft remain globally competitive while providing strong economic benefits to British Columbia and Canada."

News Source: CNET News.com

[Allan]

... But so far, a broader feud has killed two attempts by the U.S. Senate to overhaul the immigration system, including a bump in the H-1B quota from a base level of 60,000 to at least 115,000 ...

... Microsoft's move is hardly its first venture offshore....

News Source: CNET News.com

"Broader" or "Boarder"? and hmmm yes, Vancouver is an island, but I don't think the tern "offshore" would apply to this ... in the international term "offshore" would mean somehwere like Singapore, England etc. Meaning, accross the ocean.

Anyway, good news for Canada ... I think.

[Andareed]

"Broader" or "Boarder"? and hmmm yes, Vancouver is an island, but I don't think the tern "offshore" would apply to this ... in the international term "offshore" would mean somehwere like Singapore, England etc. Meaning, accross the ocean.

Anyway, good news for Canada ... I think.

I'm guessing that Microsoft wants to build near the city of Vancouver (on the mainland), and not Vancouver Island.

[trek]

They had a segment here on the local news about this. According to them, Microsoft is looking to rent space on the Great Northern Way campus which is a shared development with UBC, SFU, The Emily Carr Institute, and BCIT. That campus is located in East Vancouver.

Global BC link: http://www.canada.com/globaltv/bc/story.ht...e54&k=13059 (video of the segment here as well)

[Axon]

"Broader" or "Boarder"? and hmmm yes, Vancouver is an island, but I don't think the tern "offshore" would apply to this ... in the international term "offshore" would mean somehwere like Singapore, England etc. Meaning, accross the ocean.

Anyway, good news for Canada ... I think.

lol Vancouver's not an Island. The City of Vancouver is on a peninsula.

-Ax

[LightIdea]

Oh Canada.

[Allan]

lol Vancouver's not an Island. The City of Vancouver is on a peninsula.

-Ax

See? I'm from the Centre of the Universe, and didn't know that :rofl:

But then why do they call it "Vancouver Island"?

[Fred Derf Veteran]

See? I'm from the Centre of the Universe, and didn't know that :rofl:

But then why do they call it "Vancouver Island"?

The City of Vancouver is located on the mainland. Across the bay from the City of Vancouver is Vancouver Island which contains the City of Victoria (the capital city of British Columbia). You can travel by ferry from the City of Vancouver to Vancouver Island.

The key point, however, is that the City of Vancouver is NOT on Vancouver Island.

[revvo]

So instead of paying programmers the salary they deserve in America, they are outsourcing the Canadians because they think they can pay them less.

There's plenty of programmers in the US who want to work. They're just not getting the pay they deserve and every company wants to make cash so they go get Indians to work for them and the Chinese to build their crap. In this case, it's Vancouver which is full of asians so it's almost like a sneak peak into east Asia.

[Andareed]

So instead of paying programmers the salary they deserve in America, they are outsourcing the Canadians because they think they can pay them less.

There's plenty of programmers in the US who want to work. They're just not getting the pay they deserve and every company wants to make cash so they go get Indians to work for them and the Chinese to build their crap. In this case, it's Vancouver which is full of asians so it's almost like a sneak peak into east Asia.

If a company can pay someone else to do the same work for cheaper why shouldn't they? I also think it's a bit early to say what they will be paying the Canadians who would work in Vancouver.

[Fred Derf Veteran]

I doubt that Canadians (or immigrants to Canada) will be any cheaper with the current value of the Canadian dollar. This is all about hiring talent that is not available in the United States. They were prepared to pay US$ salaries but were unable to get enough H1-B visas.