Lost Season 4

[Hurmoth]

To be honest, this episode was dry, at least compared to the previous three episodes. The major thing IMO is the ending of course, but outside of that, I wasn't really shocked or excited. Hopefully next week's is better.

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To be honest, this episode was dry, at least compared to the previous three episodes. The major thing IMO is the ending of course, but outside of that, I wasn't really shocked or excited. Hopefully next week's is better.

I thought it was great. Each segment we got at least some story advancement, and on lots of different fronts.

Though, a helicopter flying around for an entire day without running out of fuel is going to be very hard to explain.

Also, explaining why Jack doesn't want to see Aaron is going to be interesting. Is it because he finds out that Claire and Jack are siblings? Or is it because he does something to harm Claire and thats why Kate takes him? Or is it just because they left Claire behind?

3.2 million exactly is odd as well. I wonder who Miles owes money to.

[Rob2687]

Well from the preview the helicopter doesn't look like it's doing so well.

And atleast now we have some kind of timeline for the flash forwards.

[Mathachew Veteran]

I very much enjoyed, and for once in a long time a logical question was immediately asked: Why $3.2 million? Why not 3.3 or 3.4? But alas, no answer. I knew it was Aaron, especially how they didn't reveal the name until the very last second (duh). The helicopter not having made it to the ship, :blink: Kate is so wishy washy with whom she wants to be with, and why the heck does Jack not want to be around Aaron?? Maybe he's the "him" Kate referred to in the finale last season, but why would a four to six year old care about his Uncle Jack seeing his "mommy"? And what happened to Claire? How did Kate pass Aaron off as her son since there was no record of her being pregnant? Perhaps the "official" story is that the mother died, but he survived. Aaron looked about four or five (possibly three, I doubt it), so that gives us a better idea that it's likely 2007 or 2008, and this is pre-"We have to go back!"

Next week's looks pretty awesome. Great times, great times :D

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Well from the preview the helicopter doesn't look like it's doing so well.

And atleast now we have some kind of timeline for the flash forwards.

Not really. Well, kind of. All we know is that the 4x04 flash forwards and 4x01 flash forwards were before 3x22. In both of those Jack was shown to be okay with lying about what happened on the island. In 3x22 he wasn't, which is saying that those are later. The Sayid flash forward could have happened at any time, we just don't know enough yet.

[Hurmoth]

I thought it was great. Each segment we got at least some story advancement, and on lots of different fronts.

I'm the complete opposite. I don't think the story advanced that much. The big thing on the island that we learned that really means anything is that Ben has the ability to get his hands on $3.2 million. Other than that, the story didn't advance anywhere IMO.

We already knew Kate was free from the season three finale, so the trial was pointless IMO, it only allowed us to find out Kate had a son and then the big reveal at the end that it was Aaron. Which while that is big, they played that arc like it was something much bigger than it was. Sayid working for Ben was big, but not Aaron being Kate's son.

Also, explaining why Jack doesn't want to see Aaron is going to be interesting. Is it because he finds out that Claire and Jack are siblings? Or is it because he does something to harm Claire and thats why Kate takes him? Or is it just because they left Claire behind?

I think Jack did something or Kate did something to Claire that would make Jack feel very guilty if he saw Aaron.

[Mathachew Veteran]

I think Jack did something or Kate did something to Claire that would make Jack feel very guilty if he saw Aaron.

My guess is that Jack feels so guilty about leaving Claire behind.

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I'm the complete opposite. I don't think the story advanced that much. The big thing on the island that we learned that really means anything is that Ben has the ability to get his hands on $3.2 million. Other than that, the story didn't advance anywhere IMO.

I think you missed a lot then:

- Miles isn't in it for 'the cause', hes in it for himself

- Ben can still manipulate Locke

- the helicopter didn't make it to the boat

- the people on the boat didn't know 815 was there until the call

- the whole Kate-Sawyer situation

There are other small points that I'm forgetting at the moment

[pacifica]

i agree that it was a less than intriguing episode. and at the first mention that kate had a child i knew it was aaron. that was obvious. so now, we have again the pairing of the individuals on the promo poster - kate and claire. i guess we can assume that claire is not one of the oceanic 6 but does aaron qualify seeing that he was born on the island and not a passenger(i guess technically he was a passenger but they didn't have to purchase a seat for him)

[Hurmoth]

My guess is that Jack feels so guilty about leaving Claire behind.

There's got to be more to it than that. How did Kate get Aaron in the first place? I can't imagine she'd give him up so easily.

BTW would Aaron count as one of the Oceanic 6? :p He was on the plane technically.

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i agree that it was a less than intriguing episode. and at the first mention that kate had a child i knew it was aaron. that was obvious. so now, we have again the pairing of the individuals on the promo poster - kate and claire. i guess we can assume that claire is not one of the oceanic 6 but does aaron qualify seeing that he was born on the island and not a passenger(i guess technically he was a passenger but they didn't have to purchase a seat for him)

Aaron isn't one of the Oceanic Six. And I'm saying that without spoilers. Making him one of the 6 would be completely disappointing. There are going to be another 2 major characters as the other ones of the 6.

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There's got to be more to it than that. How did Kate get Aaron in the first place? I can't imagine she'd give him up so easily.

Say there is a small boat. Only enough room for 6. Claire gives Aaron to Kate to get him off the island.

[Rappy Veteran]

Aaron isn't one of the Oceanic Six. And I'm saying that without spoilers. Making him one of the 6 would be completely disappointing. There are going to be another 2 major characters as the other ones of the 6.

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It was strange how the promos were saying "and another one of the oceanic 6 is revealed" well didn't we know Kate was one way back at last seasons finale?...

My prediction is Claire is either killed or can't leave the island in a new "purge".

[Hurmoth]

I think you missed a lot then:

- Miles isn't in it for 'the cause', hes in it for himself

- Ben can still manipulate Locke

- the helicopter didn't make it to the boat

- the people on the boat didn't know 815 was there until the call

- the whole Kate-Sawyer situation

There are other small points that I'm forgetting at the moment

-I never thought Miles was in it for the cause. I thought that was apparent when we saw him "ghostbusting". He's greedy. Miles is #1 in Miles' opinion.

-That's not really important IMO. Locke has never been a true leader and that was evident from him not being able to find the cabin.

-I'll give you that, but still didn't move the story that far though

-Huh? I missed something. What do you mean they didn't know? Jack told them last season that they were there. [EDIT] The only thing that is said is, "What friends?" in reference to Sayid and Desmond leaving the island in the helicopter. There's no mention that they don't know about 815 being on the island though.

-What Kate-Sawyer situation? They didn't do anything. We already knew that she has feelings for, he has feelings for her. She's always running, so nothing new to advance the story again.

Say there is a small boat. Only enough room for 6. Claire gives Aaron to Kate to get him off the island.

I don't know. I can't see myself giving my son up to a fugitive to get him off the island. And it doesn't fit Jack's reaction. He wouldn't be so against seeing Aaron if it were that simple.

[Rob2687]

Well now we know that she didn't have a kid with Sawyer so he probably isn't the "him" she was referring to but mostly likely it was Aaron. So I guess that kinda also reduces that chances that he is one of the 6.

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-I never thought Miles was in it for the cause. I thought that was apparent when we saw him "ghostbusting". He's greedy. Miles is #1 in Miles' opinion.

Yes, but it was shown. Just because you thought it doesn't mean it wasn't an advancement.

-That's not really important IMO. Locke has never been a true leader and that was evident from him not being able to find the cabin.

Again, same thing. I don't think it is about Locke being a leader, btw. I think the island is having trouble showing him what to do because it is busy trying to protect itself from the newcomers.

-I'll give you that, but still didn't move the story that far though

Not being able to leave is a pretty big deal.

-Huh? I missed something. What do you mean they didn't know? Jack told them last season that they were there.

Miles tells Kate they looked her up when they got the first call. They looked up everyone after they got the first call. In other words, they didn't know what was going on on the island. They only knew about Desmond, not 815. We already knew that they weren't there to rescue them, but now we know they didn't even know they existed. Which brings up the question of who placed the fake plane. Everyone assumed the group on the boat and the group that did that are the same, but now it appears they aren't.

-What Kate-Sawyer situation? They didn't do anything. We already knew that she has feelings for, he has feelings for her. She's always running, so nothing new to advance the story again.

No, that was the end of Kate-Sawyer, IMO. Thats a big advancement.

I don't know. I can't see myself giving my son up to a fugitive to get him off the island. And it doesn't fit Jack's reaction. He wouldn't be so against seeing Aaron if it were that simple.

You are forgetting that they don't know what she did. Also, maybe Claire gave him to Jack. However, it would be hard to explain where the kid came from with him being a male, so Jack gives him to Kate to call her own.

And Jack would be against it if he was upset about leaving Claire behind.

Well now we know that she didn't have a kid with Sawyer so he probably isn't the "him" she was referring to but mostly likely it was Aaron. So I guess that kinda also reduces that chances that he is one of the 6.

The 'him' from 3x22 was Aaron. 'He'll be wondering where I am.' A kid would do that, an adult would call or be told before she left.

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Showing the same thing that should already be known from a previous episode isn't an advancement. Just because they looked them up doesn't mean they didn't know about Flight 815 (there's nothing definitive to suggest they don't know about 815 though--as connected as Dharma is to the survivors I doubt that at least Naomi didn't know, let alone Frank). Remember Frank was suppose to be the pilot of Flight 815. There's more to that story than we know. Maybe Miles didn't know, but I think Frank knows more than we're being told. Regardless, I don't see that as an advancement to the story, so for me it was a dry episode.

Regardless of whether or not they know what she did, they don't she's a fugitive.

[randy_tho]

Jack said there were 8 survivors. They are claiming the people who stayed behind are dead. Aaron would have had to be born so Claire would have had to be one of those eight. Who is the other? Charlie? Because he talked to Penny?

In next weeks previews it showed Desmond jerking around the Physicist guy but it looked like the future. We saw that scientist at the beginning and he did not look well. What were the cards? Maybe he is getting early onset Alzheimer's and he went to the island to be healed?

Is Patchy really dead? :shifty:

[Rob2687]

Well it can't be any of the Others seeing as the island was supposedly deserted.

[Rappy Veteran]

Jack said there were 8 survivors. They are claiming the people who stayed behind are dead. Aaron would have had to be born so Claire would have had to be one of those eight. Who is the other? Charlie? Because he talked to Penny?

In next weeks previews it showed Desmond jerking around the Physicist guy but it looked like the future. We saw that scientist at the beginning and he did not look well. What were the cards? Maybe he is getting early onset Alzheimer's and he went to the island to be healed?

Is Patchy really dead? :shifty:

One thing is for sure Patchy never dies!

[randy_tho]

It would almost have to be Charlie since he made contact with Penny.

Well it can't be any of the Others seeing as the island was supposedly deserted.

Also the kid looked like he was 2 at tops.

My guess is the chopper had to turn around and make another landing. Much like Desmond and his boat.

[Mathachew Veteran]

US Promo: http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Km5wo2ILbY

[Rob2687]

The promo here was more or less the same I think....

I should set up my tv tuner again.

[Rappy Veteran]

CTV Promo

Just noticed something in Aarons room...on the wall is that the barracks?

Edited February 22, 2008 by Rappy

[Noveed]

what an episode, i feel as if it is not kates baby but deffinitly claires. If claire does die i think that is a bit shocking, i think it would probably be better if she stays on the island and gives up her son rather than die, i was litterally shell shocked when kate said aaron at the end.

Possible reason why jack does not want to see aaron is that Claire and Jack are half brother/sister. Jack and Claire afterall do share the same farther. Again, more and more question but hardly any answers.

Loved what locke did to miles, his character is really standing out now, however sawyer is starting to get mushy as.

The oceanic 6 business is starting to get confusing. Jack did say there were 8 surivors so maybe there is the oceanic 8 but 2 die, not sure.

Grrr just want some more answers really not getting many at the moment and with the 6 week delay coming up soon it is going to **** me right off just waiting for them.

[Rob2687]

Painting by Aaron? Maybe a little to detailed for a child his age. It does look like that good ol' Dharma clip with the person on the bike.

It seems like people don't know that it was Claires baby otherwise Kate's mom wouldn't want to see him so badly.