Lost Season 4

[sundayx Veteran]

The 6 slots could potentially be the seats on that helicopter itself.

Nevermind, doubt it. There are others from the island who also got off.

[Rappy Veteran]

I thought I would pipe in and say Kate in underwear will make the ratings go through the roof :laugh:

[ew2x4]

what an episode, i feel as if it is not kates baby but deffinitly claires. If claire does die i think that is a bit shocking, i think it would probably be better if she stays on the island and gives up her son rather than die, i was litterally shell shocked when kate said aaron at the end.

Possible reason why jack does not want to see aaron is that Claire and Jack are half brother/sister. Jack and Claire afterall do share the same farther. Again, more and more question but hardly any answers.

Loved what locke did to miles, his character is really standing out now, however sawyer is starting to get mushy as.

The oceanic 6 business is starting to get confusing. Jack did say there were 8 surivors so maybe there is the oceanic 8 but 2 die, not sure.

Grrr just want some more answers really not getting many at the moment and with the 6 week delay coming up soon it is going to **** me right off just waiting for them.

The answers are there (atleast to some of your questions). Personally, I thought it was obvious right when they talked about Aaron at the beginning. It kinda put a damper on it for me. Anyways, The oceanic 6 do not include those who were not on 815, such as Ben. Who else gets off? The list is out there, but I chose not to look at it. We only know Kate, Jack, Sayid, Hurley, of the 6.

I think some things have been answered, but some things are still up in the air- mainly for me, the meeting between Jack and Kate at the airport. Is the reason she can't be there due to her probation? Was she referring to her probation officer, or whomever related to that when she says "he doesnt know, etc."

The biggest of all, is who the helicopter people are. I thought it was Dharma, but it seems not to be. How they know Ben, I don't know.

[Slimy]

The biggest of all, is who the helicopter people are. I thought it was Dharma, but it seems not to be. How they know Ben, I don't know.

How'd you conclude that? I must have missed that revelation...

[SuperJediMedia]

It was strange how the promos were saying "and another one of the oceanic 6 is revealed" well didn't we know Kate was one way back at last seasons finale?...

My prediction is Claire is either killed or can't leave the island in a new "purge".

Yeah I think (Speculate) Claire will Die later... :(

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

To be honest, this episode was dry, at least compared to the previous three episodes. The major thing IMO is the ending of course, but outside of that, I wasn't really shocked or excited. Hopefully next week's is better.

except... for the fact miles has a granade between his teeth :p

it was a meh episode, i didn't understand the card thing with sir. twitch-alot (dan)

[Hurmoth]

except... for the fact miles has a granade between his teeth :p

it was a meh episode, i didn't understand the card thing with sir. twitch-alot (dan)

:laugh: Yeah, that was an awesome seen. I love Locke, he's not as powerful as Ben, but I could see him becoming a Ben 2.0.

Interesting read by some other Lost fans:

Tonight?s episode wasn?t as dense or thrilling as weeks past, but it still closed with a single word, a single name, that scored a palpable hit. Aaron, Claire?s baby, is one of the Oceanic Six? but calls Kate mommy. And so my head spins with possibilities. Kate must be claiming Aaron as her biological son, hence her refusal to let her mother see him. The rest of the Oceanic survivors must also be keeping Aaron?s true parentage secret. And something must have happened to Claire, as seeing her son is apparently too much for Jack.

But wait. Desmond had a vision of Claire and Aaron boarding a helicopter. Does Claire technically make it off the island but not to rescue? Or are the details Desmond?s visions in flux? There is that time discrepancy, after all.

And there?s still the big mystery of why Early Future Jack is generally together and fighting to put The Island behind him, and Late Future Jack is a mess and desperate to return. Could it be that the Jack we saw tonight was tortured about leaving people, including Claire, behind? but the Jack that we saw at the end of Season Three was pushed over the edge by learning who Claire really is?

All this wild conjecture sprouting from the closing moment of ?Eggtown,? a curiously named (apart from the eggs in the first scene) and leisurely paced episode that brought a few morsels of information on the island, and a flash forward that seemed to be the natural end of Kate?s character arc as we?ve followed it since 2004. Her story?s not over, of course ? note the conveniently imposed ?don?t leave California? restriction that?ll no doubt land her back in hot water ? but unlike Sayid?s jaw-dropping future, Kate pretty much ended up where we expected.

Was she truly transformed by her experiences on The Island? Probably not, since her freedom was based on a fabricated tale of heroism. Was she truly transformed by becoming a mother? Possibly, though how that happened doesn?t exactly bode well for them. Once again, it seems escape from The Island doesn?t mean our survivors can escape their true natures. Kate is still living a lie.

As for events on the island, a couple of tantalizing reveals. Miles doesn?t just know Ben, he knows what he?s capable of. But again we got a sense of that from ?The Economist.? The fact that the helicopter has disappeared, though, is ?far more than weird.? And the writers are not being subtle about the fact that Minkowski has been missing in action for some time, with the increasingly mysterious Regina up to something on the boat. Locke?s brief rush of confidence has again been flushed away by the reliably sinister Ben, but that?s nothing new.

Actually, I love when the show rewards viewers who have been aboard for the long haul, such as that opening scene with Locke bringing a captive Ben food and a book, only to leave in frustration, throwing said food to the floor. The exact scenario played out in the hatch in Season Two, making tonight?s reference a near brilliant touch? were it not for the fact that Ben called attention to it.

Jen is already trying to retract her Skater status, tonight expressing some frustration with Kate. To be sure, Kate made a pretty bad deal with Miles. Huge upside for Miles, huge risks for her, all for a ridiculous piece of information (?Do you know who I am??). And getting all pouty with Sawyer seemed like exactly the wrong tactic. She just found out she probably can?t return to the real world. So of course she runs back to Rescue Central. On the other hand, looking back, it was clear the whole point of all that tension was to make us presume that Kate?s future son was James Jr.

Notes and Notions:

• Jen was annoyed at how easily Kate seemed to get off after everything law enforcement previously did to capture her. Was this a federal trial? What of the other states that suffered the wrath of Kate? I, however, have no problem believing that being famous is enough to keep you out of jail.
  
• Jen was also very surprised to see Diane again, considering she was once on her death bed. Interesting that she thought she lost her daughter in a plane crash, but still lived beyond every medical estimate.
  
• The ?don?t leave California? restriction really seemed arbitrary. It seemed to be specifically inserted to generate drama when Kate inevitably wants to leave (presumably to the island, if Jack ultimately convinces her). Isn?t she one of the most recognizable faces in America? Pity about that Golden Ticket.
  
• What was with Charlotte?s test for Dan with the playing cards? Now that we know he had a ?caretaker? in ?Confirmed Dead,? I suspect it was just a basic memory exercise. But any time there?s a game in this show (backgammon!), there?s always something else going on.
  
• Claire?s conversation about motherhood with Kate, in hindsight, was pretty ?anvilicious.?
  
• Speaking of Claire, it was good to see her again, but kind of jarring to see her making coffee and hanging laundry. We saw Hurley mourn Charlie?s death, but she seems to have gotten over it quick. ?The Beginning of the End? really seems to be as far as the writers are going to let that tragedy leak into Season Four.
  
• Sawyer Nicknames: ?Montezuma? for Hurley. ?Bruce Lee? for Miles. Which, Jen notes, is a recycled nickname. Jin got pegged with that one a while back. (There?s a great list at Lostpedia.)
  
• Favorite Lines: Sawyer to Hurley: ?Got something in your eye, Hugo?? Hurley to Kate: ?You just Scooby-Doo?d me, didn?t you?? Miles to Kate: ?This is hot.?
  
• Movies: ?Xanadu.? An interesting choice. If they were going for cheesy, why not throw some ?Expos?? in the VCR instead? Says Jen, ??Xanadu? is often compared to ?Brigadoon,? and ?Brigadoon? is about a mysterious town that only appears for some people.? Check out the Wikipedia entry for ?Brigadoon? and ?Xanadu.? Hmm.
  
• Music: ?She?s Got You? by Patsy Cline. Her catalog is clearly Kate?s soundtrack.
  
• Books: ?VALIS? by Philip K. Dick, and a what looked like a paperback release of ?Memoirs of a Geisha.?
  
• Locations: Hawaii State Capitol for Kate?s arrival, the prison meeting with her lawyer, and her meeting with Jack in the parking garage. The YWCA was where they built the courtroom. Anyone know where Kate?s house is?
  

Seems I'm not the only who thinks Aaron is one of the Oceanic Six.

[DomZ]

The oceanic 6 business is starting to get confusing. Jack did say there were 8 surivors so maybe there is the oceanic 8 but 2 die, not sure.

Here's some quotes from Jack's speech in the courtroom which will clear this up a bit:

"Only 8 of us survived the crash, we landed in the water"

"She took care of me, she took care of all of us. She give us first aid, water.."

and just before Kate interrupts him:

Jack: "She tried to save the other 2, but they didn't..."

kate: "Stop"

So that would make the oceanic 6 the 8 in the water who survive, minus the 2 who die. This would mean Aaron is not one of the oceanic 6, assuming that they explain Aaron by Kate getting pregnant on the island with Jack.

Here's my take on this episode:

I don't think future Jack on this week's flash forwards knows Claire is his half sister yet, but I think that Claire got killed in some sort of conflict on the island between Jack/Locke/helicopter people, which is why he doesn't want to see Aaron as he feel/is somehow responsible for Claire's death.

[Rappy Veteran]

Some Stuff about 4.05 (Not totally spoiler-rific but I will tag it)

The official description says something like Desmond experiences some side effects. Well that is most definitely true, but not only for Desmond. We?re also going to learn a little bit about Frank Lapetus that will surprise us, no he isn?t the man on the boat but he does have a soft spot for happy couples and may know a thing or two about how to ?reach out and touch? someone.

?Professor? Faraday will be a feature player in Desmond?s flashes, and look for a twist on the ?Flashes Before Your Eyes? formula. Not something that hasn?t been done, but something that will be done again to a new extreme.

Are the freighties good or bad? Well the four we have met so far may be a little ambiguous, but the ones onboard the ship are most certainly not the warm and welcoming sort. Not all of them anyways.

Source: UGO

[NightCrawler.]

Why did she steal the baby?

[Mathachew Veteran]

Who said she stole Aaron?

[+Peewee210 Subscriber¹]

Why did she steal the baby?

Thats another question....

Good episode, i agreed with someone who said it was dry, kind of slowed down the story a bit.

Looking forward to next week!

[Rappy Veteran]

Why did she steal the baby?

Well we don't know if she stole it...we just know she has a child called Aaron which we assume is from Claire, Claire may of died on the Island we just don't know it.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

First "meh" episode IMO.

Moved forward some parts of the story, but nothing really "big".

I suppose you could've guessed the part with the baby, I mean it's not as if they'd let a baby die/get stranded on the island.

[+Peewee210 Subscriber¹]

Latest from Kristin - What Lies Ahead

Desmond! Next week it's all about our favorite nude beach runner and what happens to him and Sayid in the freighter-copter. (Note: The turbulance toggles his "time travel"-y switch and flashes to a run-in with Daniel Faraday as he is a professor at Oxford...This is the clip we see in the preview in which short-haired Des says to long-haired D.F. "Am I gonna die?" And it should be mentioned that Desmond also could survive off the island and not be counted as one of the Oceanic Six since he wasn't on the manifest.)

And the week after that, it's...

Smooch time! Chances are, you already know the players (tsk, tsk, tsk). But I think many of you will like the development of that romance. are also getting very close to the return of Harold Perrineau (Michael), which makes me want to kiss someone my own self. His episode (number 8) will fill in where he's been since we last saw him, and I think you'll be pleased.

Wow! Can't wait!

[Rappy Veteran]

^^

Sounds good!

[GuJu]

great episode

i didn't like the future Kate,

and the Fastforwards are in 2008, there was a clue in the court scenes.

[+Peewee210 Subscriber¹]

and the Fastforwards are in 2008, there was a clue in the court scenes.

What clue? Thats 4 years after the crash! I surpose the size of Arron gives it away a bit...

[Andrew Lyle Global Moderator]

I don't know who else they are going to do a flashforward on.. to me it's all dried up. Maybe they'll do one on Ben? or some other Dharma survivors... 4 more exciting episodes left... I can't wait :D

[Rappy Veteran]

What clue? Thats 4 years after the crash! I surpose the size of Arron gives it away a bit...

Yeah I thought he was 3-4 years old.

[-Nic-]

Did anyone else immediately notice the "concrete" walls moving when Locke threw the food at them at the beginning?

This episode definitely was a boring one. I tried watching it a second time without the commercial interruptions and it was still not that good. Hopefully next weeks episode will be much better.

[Pretend]

^ Ha, i was paying attention to the walls, but on a second look, they moved alright.

This episode was, okay. Liked the bit when Milles got a grenade stuck in his mouth :woot:

next few episodes sound nice :)

[oldaccount1]

Agreed that Aaron looked 3-4 years old. He's only about two months old on the island now.

A LOT of time has passed (not just months...a few years) between the island time and the Kate trial time. Kate's already gotten her settlement, obviously, and has settled into her new home, found a nanny she liked, etc. It's been a while.

I'm just curious as to what set off Hurley to go nuts again and how that leads to Jack going nuts like a month later...

[Rappy Veteran]

I thought Hurleys quote was awesome "you just scooby-dooed me" :laugh:

[SkyyPunk Veteran]

Ohh so the babys name is Aaron...i thought she said Eric...i was confused :p

And no way that baby is more than 3yrs old...