Lost Season 4

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

I stopped watching LOST half-way through season 1 and I recently watched the last couple of episodes. Biggest mistake of my life. I undoubtedly ultra spoiled myself to the n-th degree. Damnit, why didn't I read this thread earlier? Perhaps then I would've refrained from watching the recent episodes without watching the previous seasons.

[Rappy Veteran]

I stopped watching LOST half-way through season 1 and I recently watched the last couple of episodes. Biggest mistake of my life. I undoubtedly ultra spoiled myself to the n-th degree. Damnit, why didn't I read this thread earlier? Perhaps then I would've refrained from watching the recent episodes without watching the previous seasons.

That was a very foolish thing to do :no:

[Mathachew Veteran]

I stopped watching LOST half-way through season 1 and I recently watched the last couple of episodes. Biggest mistake of my life. I undoubtedly ultra spoiled myself to the n-th degree. Damnit, why didn't I read this thread earlier? Perhaps then I would've refrained from watching the recent episodes without watching the previous seasons.

Whoa... you screwed yourself up big time :(

[Saladas]

No, worst idea ever, it's not gonna be the same after that!!!

[liveseven]

oh well everyone makes mistakes....

question. after locke blew up the hatch and desmond went through time, (back to 1996) could the hatch implosion have something to do with time travel?

as for the flashforward to jack and kate, I could have sworn the orgnal time was april 2007, now they changed it?

Heres what I think will happen in season 5 and 6. These are all personal thoughts based on season 4's flash forwards. All of these may or may not take place in our current time. (june 2008)

Season 5

Kate will contune to refuse to go back. she will contune raising arron but will keep having dreams and visions of clare to the point where she has no choice but to go back. Arron will be in danger since she "can"t bring him back. Hurrley and sayid get away but will run in to widmore. Sayid acdently kills hurley. in a shoot off Ben, who is sayids "boss" will kill sayid because hes getting "soft". But sayid only gets injured to do something important before he dies/ Sun will end up selling Plank for twice the amount she bought it for. She and widmore have a "lot more in common" then she thought before. Widmore and Ben contune to play this cat and mouse game and widmore, who hated desmond years before, knows he has information about the island, and gives him a "chance" with pen. Widmores motives are questionable to des, as he thinks widmores just using him for information about the ialsnd.

also dharma returns and plays a major key this season and it affects all of the O6.

[Yggdrasilly]

The mention of the hatch raises a question. If it's already been answered somewhere, let me know, otherwise...

Anyway, The Swan imploded/exploded/whatever when Desmond turned the failsafe key thing. The sky outside went purple, there was a loud noise... But what exactly happened when he turned the key? I mean, there had to be something.

[Hurmoth]

Anyway, The Swan imploded/exploded/whatever when Desmond turned the failsafe key thing. The sky outside went purple, there was a loud noise... But what exactly happened when he turned the key? I mean, there had to be something.

Here's what Lostpedia has to say: "The discharge was the release of electromagentic energy that resulted from Desmond's triggering of the Swan station's fail-safe mechanism. ("Live Together, Die Alone") The nature of the fail-safe and the repercussions that resulted from its triggering are unclear; however, the discharge resulted in a bright purple light seen across the Island and the implosion of the the Swan, leaving nothing but a large crater in the earth and assorted debris. The event is referred to by the survivors variously as a "detonation", "implosion", "explosion", a "blowing up", or the "sky turning purple". The Others have referred to it variously as an "anomaly", the "sky turning purple", and an "electromagnetic pulse"."

--Read more here: http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Discharge

Sadly we don't really know a lot about what exactly happened when the fail safe key was turned.

[Saladas]

he discharged the magnetic force? maybe...

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

That was a very foolish thing to do :no:

Whoa... you screwed yourself up big time :(

No, worst idea ever, it's not gonna be the same after that!!!

I know! :cry:

Anyway, the time travel stuff is very interesting.

[iconoclast]

People seeing dead people isn't stress fatigue. That's the island, clearly, causing them to see these things. How else do you explain Christian Shepard being the messenger for Jacob?

Not sure how anyone would have gone into Lost expecting something firmly grounded in reality when a "monster" was in the very first episode, I guess that's why I'm not disappointed by Lost. I went into the show expecting "supernatural" things to happen.

It's not about the show being grounded "firmyl in reality" at all. It's about the show having at least a toe on the ground in reality, which now it basically does not. Not to get off topic, but Heroes has a constant thread throughout the whole show that explains pretty much everything. There is a recent event of genetic mutations/evolutions that gives some people special powers. So as a viewer, I get it, that is the important catch all. They have a genetic difference, that makes them special. That's an extremely clean and concise and more importantly, clear, explanation to what makes these people special. The powers they have from then on do not matter, because no matter how extraordinary, we can go back to the genetic differences. The rest of the show is drama. Who is the man in the horned rimmed glasses? How does he relate to the good and bad guys? Etc. Best part? They actually answer some questions, ie, they actually give Claire's dad a name! Woah! What a novel idea! Answering questions in a season!

With Lost, they spread us (the disgruntled viewers) too thin. First (and some second) season, we have some people on an island, and some drama happens. Locke can walk, Rose is healed, scary monster. Ok, this is fine, we have a plane crash and this island seems to have some powers, and there is a creepy monster of some sort on the island. No big deal. We at least, at this point, have a running theme through the show that is fairly easy to follow, the numbers. "The numbers seem to be important" we think. "I bet they will appear throughout the show!" we conclude. Nope. Instead the numbers thread dies in the second season, making the occasional appearance here and there, but it seizes to be the common thread. Instead we stumble upon dharma, the others, and a whole bunch of random stuff that seeming has no connection at all. Almost every episode raises more questions, and yet we hardly, if ever, get answers.

The numbers remain to be explained, and in fact, seemed to have no impact after the first season. The smoke monster, which seemed to be a constant annoyance in Season 1, was all but tamed by season 2. Who/what is dharma? Who are the others? Why did the tailes all have to die? If they all died, why give us a background on them at all? Why are the 815 women not dying when pregnant? Why is Jack sick? Who is Jacob? Why won't that one guy get older?

The questions go on, and on, and on, and the list of answers never seems to get any longer. Not to mention the extreme disconnect between the show and real life. Again, 4 years=40 days? Please. Now we add time travel and moving islands to the mix? Again, the show has jumped the shark.

At least heroes let you know up front what you were getting into. Lost just keeps throwing curveballs and as the ratings show, fewer and fewer people are stepping up to the plate.

And to whoever corrected my on who brought the polar bears: big whoop. My point was that the origin of the polar bears is known.

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Also, it is extremely annoying and frustrating that you have to go out of your way to find youtube clips or websites that have "leaked" footage to get explanations (like the numbers video posted above). This is a TV show. It is supposed to entertain me. I am busy; work, school, and I do not like that I feel like a second class fan because I expect the show to answers questions, not some guy on youtube. Even though Heroes has the online comic, there is nothing in it that is essential to understanding the show.

Edited June 3, 2008 by iconoclast

[Mathachew Veteran]

The numbers were key to the second season, all the way to the finale when they could no longer be entered into the computer. Where are you getting 4 years = 40 days? Because the show has been on the air for four years and has only covered 108 days? The time on the show has no correlation to the viewing time. Why not gripe about 24 taking five months to air even though it's only 24 hours?

One key, critical, and crucial aspect to Lost is that it is a telling of a complete story that will have spanned over the course of six seasons. From the get go it was established as a mystery story, not something to keep you guessing for 30 seconds and then reveal the answer. All of the questions and mysteries are what makes Lost Lost. Comparing it to other shows that are not made in the same manner is pointless.

Lost was always borderline science fiction when it started, but now that they're moving to the mysteries of the island, it is becoming more scifi, and I welcome it with open arms. Anything shown outside of the show is more viral marketing than anything else. You can watch Lost and get exactly what the writers intended on showing and telling. Anything else is extra food for thought and isn't needed to continue telling the story.

If it's not entertaining you, then just stop watching it, while those of us who welcome the scientific theories of time travel and teleportation enjoy the show more and more. From the start Lost forced people to ask questions; don't expect to receive an answer to some of the biggest mysteries of the show before they get a chance to tell their story.

[Rappy Veteran]

The mention of the hatch raises a question. If it's already been answered somewhere, let me know, otherwise...

Anyway, The Swan imploded/exploded/whatever when Desmond turned the failsafe key thing. The sky outside went purple, there was a loud noise... But what exactly happened when he turned the key? I mean, there had to be something.

Well one thing we know is that the implosion caused the Island to be seen for the first time in years allowing Pennys Arctic Station men to see it for a few seconds.

[+Peewee210 Subscriber¹]

Here's a good explanation on how the moving of the island worked:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/re...9.html?series=6

That was a really good read, thanks!

Interesting theory. I was just listening to a podcast and they had a very interesting theory.

So the reason Charles Widmore wants to get to the island so bad is because he was once upon a time on the island and had to move it for whatever reason and in doing so, he ended up like Ben, banished.

He was so interested in the "Black Rock" book because he's looking for ways back to the island, that's one of the keys to getting back maybe? A loophole maybe?

That is an interesting theory.

I stopped watching LOST half-way through season 1 and I recently watched the last couple of episodes. Biggest mistake of my life. I undoubtedly ultra spoiled myself to the n-th degree. Damnit, why didn't I read this thread earlier? Perhaps then I would've refrained from watching the recent episodes without watching the previous seasons.

Bad mistake dude.

Anyone in the UK catch that Lost: Answers Are Here on Sky:One after the finale? The past ones have been poor, just getting a bunch of celebritys asking questions, but this year they had Darlton, Jack Bender, Ben and Charles Widmore. Noticed a few things what the producers said.

- They are not making it up as they go along, flashforwards prove this

- Widmore is a very important character in the future

- Jacob is a mystery...

- The island's healing is strongly linked to electromagnetism.

- Ben turning the wheel might be opening a wormhole...

- Smokey is a series ending question

- Marge does everyone's hair on the island, the salon is behind the kitchen.

- May have hinted that Sawyer gets off the island...(He was on about Josh wanted to get his haircut)

- Time travel is important in Lost

- I personally noticed that Carlton said Marvin Candle and not Edgar Halliwax when he was going on about the Orchid station film

- We need to know where and when the island is.

- Jack Bender knows the ending

Season 5 stuff.

Rumours about S5 seeing little of the island is false.

Not everyone is going to make it to the end of series 5

Jack's dad is going to be very important in season 5

[SuperJediMedia]

Kate is going to meet Sawyer's former girlfriend(Cassidy), Again?

[Rappy Veteran]

Just read something interesting on Lostpedia about the Orchid.

This station is mentioned on the Blast Door Map. At the 7:00 position, there is a notation: "Low Priority Zone for Exploration - Possible site for Above Ground Study of ?Flora?. Low Relevance to Valenzetti related Research Activity".

Might have to go back to that map to see what else I missed.

[SuperJediMedia]

Why is Christian Shepard so important?

[Hurmoth]

Why is Christian Shepard so important?

Who says he is important?

Jacob could just be using his body to communicate with the Losties/Others.

[The Scarecrow]

Fascinating. So I'm curious as to what those who thought that was jumping the shark think now that a physicist says what happened is theoretically possible.

I read this and had to laugh. ITS A THEORY. This has been a theory for eons and it still cant be proven. Its still jumped.

[Rappy Veteran]

Yay found it!

Cristina L. in Miami: About the person leaving Lost next season but returning the for season six...You said it's a girl from the first season, so is Rose included, or do you just mean Kate, Sun and Claire.

Rose would have been included, but as revealed in the Redux's "What's to Come" section, Emilie de Ravin will be on a holding contract with Lost for season five and returning in season six. But don't worry, you can get your Emilie fix elsewhere in the coming year: She's got a part in the Johnny Depp flick Public Enemies, she's in the period baseball picture The Perfect Game with Clifton Collins Jr. and last but not least, she'll be costarring in Ball Don't Lie with Nick Cannon and Ludacris. Even without Lost, she's going to be a busy cookie!

Marc in Brooklyn, N.Y.: When Ben was in the funeral parlor in the finale, was that live, real, off-island Ben or dead, spirit-vision Ben?

I had to read the comments of the Redux to figure this out (thank you Nick!), but I think that was the real Ben, because...When he moved the Island, he was teleported (or whatever) to the Tunisian desert, where we find him at the beginning of the circa 2005 flash-forward in "Shape of Things to Come." When we first see him in that scene, he has a wound that matches the cut on his arm at the end of "No Place Like Home." Crazy, right? So, to me, it does seem like he's been genuinely exiled from the Island, and since he leapt forward to 2005 he has been living and working only in the "real world."

Edited June 3, 2008 by Rappy

[Hurmoth]

I read this and had to laugh. ITS A THEORY. This has been a theory for eons and it still cant be proven. Its still jumped.

It isn't a theory that the show came up with, it is a theory that actual scientist came up with. That in itself is NOT jumping the shark. If that were true every scientific theory ever used in any TV show means they've jumped the shark :rolleyes:

[Jimmy0]

Forgive me for maybe being slightly stupid here ... but what is this phrase "jumping the shark" that everyone is throwing around left, right and centre?

[Hurmoth]

Forgive me for maybe being slightly stupid here ... but what is this phrase "jumping the shark" that everyone is throwing around left, right and centre?

"Jumping the shark is a colloquialism used by U.S. TV critics and fans to denote the point in a TV series at which the characters or plot veer into a ridiculous, out-of-the-ordinary storyline." --Wikipedia

Which Lost clearly did not do, if not for the fact that wormholes are actually part of REAL science. Or the fact that, even if you want to consider that science fiction, Lost has been filled with crazy stuff just as bad as that since the very beginning.

[Pallab]

I read this and had to laugh. ITS A THEORY. This has been a theory for eons and it still cant be proven. Its still jumped.

Thats exactly the definition of a good science fiction. Isnt it?

Btw, I would hight reccomend Micio Kaku's book on Hyperspace. Its absolutely fascinating.

[episode]

Forgive me for maybe being slightly stupid here ... but what is this phrase "jumping the shark" that everyone is throwing around left, right and centre?

Hurmoth tried to explain it, but I don't think he knows the full story.

'Jumping the shark' comes from the classic TV show 'Happy Days'. In one of the episodes, The Fonz (Henry Winkler) jumps a shark tank on his motorcycle as part of a stunt. Many view this as the point where the show (Happy Days) had run out of good writing and started its decline towards its finale. Ratings did not decline immediately, but the writing on the show declined sharply. This is different from Lost, because the writing clearly has not suffered this season. And I don't see where anyone has pointed out a 'jump the shark' moment for Lost that happened this season - since the first few weeks had great ratings.

Interestingly, in the 'Happy Days' musical (a pretty good show, if anyone ever has the opportunity to see it) one of the characters actually makes the joke 'Fonzie has never been the same ever since he jumped that shark.'

Edited June 3, 2008 by episode

[Hurmoth]

I actually did know that, but I didn't see a point in explaining where the term came from, just what it meant.

I actually remember watching Happy Days a long time ago.