Battlestar Galactica Season 4

[*RedBull*]

I bet the thirteenth tribe left earth after it was nuked, and went to Caprica where the Cylons nuked sending them back on quest to find earth. I bet the so called humans are actually advanced Cylons, and the Cylons are all just caught in a cycle, who keep being reincarnated/resurrected. Adama will lead the tribe back to Caprica thru some mysterious turn of events only to finally realize the truth.

There is no spoon.

[ATGC]

Frak sake, they killed of Dualla. :/

Now, that the fifth is out of the way, next up - "who destroyed earth?"

[Yggdrasilly]

There's still too many questions. What with Dee, Starbuck, and Ellen all having potential to be the fifth Cylon--the only person we actually hear say "Ellen is the fifth!" is Tigh. Who's to say that she actually is? I mean, sure the scene is pretty solid, but what about Starbuck? Also notice how we don't see anyone else's faces in the flashbacks?

That is to say... on past Earth, the other Cylons--were they all copies of the last five? Or was there actually a whole 'race' of Cylons?

[ThePitt]

come on you ppl. This is NOT lost. or heroes. or any other sweetheart series. The last cylon doesnt make any difference at all. And soon would be over, like should be.

[*RedBull*]

They all are cylons.

if you could shag starbuck, would you? I would hit it.

[gigapixels Veteran]

Finally watched the latest episode.

I'm confused.

I don't think Dee could have been the final one... I think she simply lost all hope, and even though she was happy when she killed herself, she simply wanted that to be her last thought before she died.

Helen being it just doesn't make any sense. It has basically no impact on anything we know already, and finding out the fifth was supposed to blow our minds.

Starbuck is the one I've been thinking was it for a while.

[nothuman]

Holly frak Lords of Kobol what an astonishing episode ! This is going way beyond anything I was immagined. Truly epic.

[Hupp]

There's still too many questions. What with Dee, Starbuck, and Ellen all having potential to be the fifth Cylon--the only person we actually hear say "Ellen is the fifth!" is Tigh. Who's to say that she actually is? I mean, sure the scene is pretty solid, but what about Starbuck? Also notice how we don't see anyone else's faces in the flashbacks?

That is to say... on past Earth, the other Cylons--were they all copies of the last five? Or was there actually a whole 'race' of Cylons?

we see faces in tyrols flashback of other people on the planet. so there must of been a bunch of different cylons just a few were reborn. maybe key leadership? or high ranking officials?

[LOC Veteran]

OK, I saw this on a spoiler site, and after reading backlogs of their stuff, they seem to be pretty spot on and accurate about this stuff. I was reading some stuff about the last 9 episodes, and I found this SPOILER WARNING OF DOOM BTW:

Seriously, this may or may not be true but don't read it if you don't want to know how the show MIGHT end

The final scene of the series is supposedly Inner Six (wearing that little red dress) walking through Times Square in modern day New York City.

OK now it's working, apparently K-Meleon was adding something to the post. Fixed.

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

OK, I saw this on a spoiler site, and after reading backlogs of their stuff, they seem to be pretty spot on and accurate about this stuff. I was reading some stuff about the last 9 episodes, and I found this SPOILER WARNING OF DOOM BTW:

Seriously, this may or may not be true but don't read it if you don't want to know how the show MIGHT end

The final scene of the series is supposedly Inner Six (wearing that little red dress) walking through Times Square in modern day New York City.

OK now it's working, apparently K-Meleon was adding something to the post. Fixed.

WHAT THE FRAK! I accidentally read that spoiler of epic proportions.

Anyway, about the episode. It was amazing. Simply and truly amazing. I have more questions about that single episode than I did about the whole series. So, we now know that Earth was nuked 2000 years ago. How did the current "final four" regain 2000 year old memories? I mean, did they keep resurrecting until they somehow appeared on 12 colonies? And Starbuck... damn. She found her body so doesn't that make her a Cylon?

This might sound like a super far-fetched theory but what if the Cylons of Earth were the "original" Cylons, part of a big government project to transfer human consciousness from body-to-body. Since Earth was facing a global nuclear disaster, they had to save the human race by "uploading" their consciousness to clones of some kind. Hehe, perhaps I'm a little too excited by this amazing episode.

[LOC Veteran]

I'm pretty sure Starbucks storyline has to do with time travel. If she isn't the final cylon, how else could they possibly explain her current situation except for her MAYBE being a clone? I doubt her being a clone though.

As for Earth being nuked 2000 years in the past, remember Cavil's cylons are still coming, maybe somehow the entire fleet and allied cylon baseship get transported to the past or something along with Cavil's fleet and a huge battle to defend Earth ensues, and it gets nuked by Cavil. Maybe, just putting crap out there. Heh.

[arrrgh]

I really didn't like this episode. Especially The Adama/Tigh suicide-sob-cry scene made me actually feel embarrassed. And like always every time the president is on the screen I feel like getting wasted and crying like Adama.

[giantpotato]

I think Ellen is an aged model 6 and Starbuck is the final Cylon. In one of the previous episodes when tigh was interrogating the captured 6, he kept seeing Ellen. The actresses for 6 and Ellen also look remarkably similar except for their ages. I just don't see how they can explain Starbuck dying in an explosion in space AND dying on Earth AND returning to the fleet alive and well. She played a huge role in the series and it would just make sense that it was her, despite the red herrings leading us to believe otherwise.

[nothuman]

The final scene of the series is supposedly Inner Six (wearing that little red dress) walking through Times Square in modern day New York City.

Well, that's interresting.

But that's not very "Ronald D. Moore like", I think.

[LOC Veteran]

By the way, for anyone who still doesn't believe that Ellen Tigh is the 5th and final Cylon, the actress who plays her will be in most if not all of the final 9 episodes, and there is quite a reunion between Ellen and Saul towards the end apparently.

And you can also watch this 4+ minute long interview with Kate Vernon (Ellen Tigh) from Access Hollywood where she discusses being the final Cylon and stuff.

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/01/the-fifth-cylon.html

[OPaul]

They all are cylons.

Exactly. Everyone has cylon blood in them to some degree, it's just in such a small amount (2000 years of interbreeding) that it's not detectable. There are only a few full-blood cylons left.

[nothuman]

Ellen is the final five. Moore confirmed it. It's pointless no to believe it.

[gigapixels Veteran]

Then what about Starbuck? I'm so confused :pinch:

[Antaris Veteran]

Ellen is the final five. Moore confirmed it. It's pointless no to believe it.

That might have been a curve ball, I don't think its Ellen at all, that was just an easy assumption. I really think it could be Kara Thrace, how else do you explain her dead corpse etc?

[LOC Veteran]

That might have been a curve ball, I don't think its Ellen at all, that was just an easy assumption. I really think it could be Kara Thrace, how else do you explain her dead corpse etc?

Having a main writer and producer throwing a curve ball is possible I suppose. But have the actress herself doing it as well after the episode airs is a bit much. I think it's pretty obvious Ellen is the 5th. The music keyed up well when Saul was looking through the building for her, and had that "reveal" sort of sound when you finally saw her face.

Starbuck is something else. Whether she's a hybrid, clone or what who knows yet. Plus, time travel seems to come into the equation here with her if she isn't a clone. I don't see how else they could explain it.

[Hupp]

come on ship of lights :D

[McSmiggins]

come on ship of lights :D

Sweet lord, thought I was the only person alive who was thinking that!!! :) That's my Starbuck explanation

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

The cylon centurion model found, looked more advanced than the old centurions, yet less so than the new centurions...

Makes you wonder where they fit into the timeline...

[Antaris Veteran]

^ Wasn't the model of centurion they found over 2000 years old?

[Budious]

So the question that's been nagging at me, "Is there a thirteenth cylon?" If the final five are from the past and distinct linage from the current models, then they have no model designation. Since the known 7 are models 1-6, 8... who is the seventh? The cylons don't consider the hybrid a model and indicate that it came before them, so more like model 0. Who is model 7, was it a boxed line, does it still exist somewhere?