Terminator Salvation : The Future Begins

[Budious]

And Budious I think the confusion is this movie wasn't a reboot. It was a continuation. They could consider it a reboot as it's a different take on the franchise but it wasn't a "reboot" like Bond and Batman which scrapped all other movies and started fresh. If anything these are similar to the Star Wars prequels. They follow the same story set in the past movies but show how it all happened. Even though technically these are taking place further in the future they are still prequels :p That time travel you love so much haha.

Well then we were not referring to the same things. I was not referencing this movie particularly, I was just expressing a desire for a clean and clear reboot. If anything, I would categorize Salvation as a direct sequel to the previous three movies because it abides by all the past elements we have been introduced to.

[Xero]

Fair enough. You're ideas for a reboot were nice though. I'm sure in 10 years or so they'll do a complete reboot. Only a matter of time until they come back to it again. Just waiting to hear Lucas announce a Star Wars reboot. Can't let Star Trek steal all the thunder ;)

[bolerodan]

Yeah Derek remains my favourite character on SCC when he died I was honestly shocked and stunned.

Derek definitely gave the feeling of "the man" of the group in that show. You just knew he was experienced, knew what he had to do and was very confident.

I think we were all shocked when he was terminated in a split second like that. I still think that was a well done death scene.

[Rappy Veteran]

Derek definitely gave the feeling of "the man" of the group in that show. You just knew he was experienced, knew what he had to do and was very confident.

I think we were all shocked when he was terminated in a split second like that. I still think that was a well done death scene.

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[kaotic]

Derek definitely gave the feeling of "the man" of the group in that show. You just knew he was experienced, knew what he had to do and was very confident.

I think we were all shocked when he was terminated in a split second like that. I still think that was a well done death scene.

He's really the only character I would like to see from the show on T5, or T6 but I don't think that will happen.

[Rappy Veteran]

Terminator 5 Set in Modern Day London?

Knowing well the sources that Bleeding Cool have up their sleeve, I can promise you that their straight-outta-leftfield rumors will always have some kind of foundation. Very interesting, then, that today they?re dishing on a plan to set the fifth Terminator film in contemporary London. I suppose the ultimate accuracy of this story hinges, as much as anything else as there being another Terminator film. To an extent, it will also depend on the same creative team having their way with the next movie, and some might suggest that is now rather unlikely. Nonetheless, the London plan meshes with a previous McG hint quite nicely. That quote, and more, coming after the break.

Back in April, Film Journal ran their Terminator Salvation promo interview. Here?s McG on his plans for a follow u I strongly suspect the next movie is going to take place in a 2011. John Connor is going to travel back in time and he?s going to have to galvanize the militaries of the world for an impending Skynet invasion. They?ve figured out time travel to the degree where they can send more than one naked entity. So you?re going to have hunter killers and transports and harvesters and everything arriving in our time and Connor fighting back with conventional military warfare, which I think is going to be ****ing awesome.esome.

Hunter Killers laying waste to London? Well.. yes, maybe. McG certainly seems to be in love with Children of Men. I?m not convinced we?ll even be seeing another Terminator film any time soon, but if we do, this is as likely an approach as any other.

London?s a great location for post-apocalyptic landscapes and massive scale destruction, I think. Our architecture looks great with fat wafts of pitch-black smoke swelling up out of it and hordes of screaming, dirt-faced urchins teeming in the rubble. Maybe it?s because these are close to the popular images of the London of yesterday, and not just tomorrow.

There?s quite a tradition of dystopian or post-apocalyptic Londons too, from Children of Men to Shaun of the Dead, 28 Days and Weeks Later, or Will Self?s Book of Dave to A Clockwork Orange. Would be nice to have a Terminator slot into that set too.

One of the great advantages of setting a film in the UK is that we Brits have an enormous wealth of character actors that, for the most part, you don?t see taking up arms against cyborg armies. All the way from Helen Mirren and Michael Sheen to youngsters like Daniel Mays, Riz Ahmed or Harry Treadaway seem like rich, potential Terminator killers to me. Or how about (ahem) Jason Statham? (Slash Film[/b]ndon/"]Slash Film)

[lee31]

Saw it last night. Haven't been so disapponited with a film in a long while.

No where near as good as the 7.4/10 rating on imdb more like 4.4/10 in my opinion.

[ToneKnee]

Saw it last night. Haven't been so disapponited with a film in a long while.

No where near as good as the 7.4/10 rating on imdb more like 4.4/10 in my opinion.

I agree.

[Chicane-UK Veteran]

I felt kind of 50/50 about it.

I did definitely enjoy it though, if only because it was a chance to see a Terminator movie on the big screen.

Stuff I liked? Christian Bale was pretty solid, as was the character of Marcus - including his back story, etc. Really enjoyed that character and how it all turned out for him. Also really enjoyed the Arnie cameo - was a nice touch, definitely. Scary also seeing the T-800's so totally unrestricted and menacing now that CGI has come as far as it has.. obviously in Terminator 2 things were still a bit more creaky!

Plenty of crap though - the 'surgery' bit at the end was laughable, as were various other things about the film - various plot holes, and irritations. That and the trailer led me to believe it would be far FAR more thought provoking and full of moral questions / issues, etc - but in the end it was mostly typical Hollywood explosions, etc etc.

I did enjoy it though and it did fairly keep me on the edge of my seat all the way through. 3.5 out of 5 for me :)

[bolerodan]

I Enjoyed... actually more than I thought I would.. however the acting was pretty stale, I also felt transitioning between scenes pretty rough as well but other than that, I really enjoyed the last bit when they got into a huge Skynet base with all the T-800's. That was pretty awesome.

[Xero]

I like the idea for the 5th film as it will appeal to those who like the originals better and it combines it with a more war like scenario that the 4th has. My problem is with the timelines, the machines have advanced time travel enough to send through machines but somehow lose it several years later when they send Kyle back. Since they've altered the timelines already I guess it makes sense that they could, also would explain all the planes/bases in the 4th if he went back early to get them to prepare for it.

Hopefully they bring back CGI arnold for more, I'd be happy if he did voiceover work only and no actual acting. Not that he's bad but the CGI arnold is too awesome, his lifeless expression is perfect for the Terminator, we're always trying to make them look more alive, Terminators are perfect uses of CGI as we want them to be lifeless and just well a machine. Going back in time himself though poses the risk of running into his other self :s

[Corris Veteran]

I didn't go in thinking it was going to be the best Terminator film, and I knew it wouldn't beat Terminator 2.

I also knew it wouldn't have the same feel the first two had. (ignoring 3 because I want to. :p)

I enjoyed it, it started slow but picked up as it went along, and I think it is a strong enough base for them to build the next two in this apparent new trilogy.

What I thought was cool to was that they finally gave a face, somewhat, to Skynet, it is the first time that we have had it communicating in anyway from memory in the films.

My girlfriend however didn't enjoy it as much as me, but as i explained to her, as much as most would like, we can't just keep rehashing the same storyline over and over, and I do love Arny as the Terminator, especially in 2, but he just can't do that any more.

Tough one question, I remember that other "leaked" ending, was that ever shot?

It would be a bad ass extra on the isk release.

Time travel is crucial to Terminator. If Kyle never goes back, John never existed. That must remain true in the series. Reboot or not, that's the anchor that ties everything together. As for the military bases and jets. Like Fire said, this is several years after judgement day the machines haven't gotten a stranglehold yet and their arguably outnumbered. They don't have as many as they need. We saw the plants so the next film we should see them all marching together. So these bases were left untouched as Skynet didn't want to venture to far. Quote from the movie, "They've never come out this far before, they must be looking for something." I think people expected to see the war hinted in the other movies. McG made it very clear from the beginning that this wasn't that war, it was the start of it. Hell the thread title still has the original title and that says it all.

And I still disagree with everyone that says it needs/needed to be more like the originals. We already had 3 movies based around that same idea. I know we all love Terminator and all but don't you want something more than the same ideas rehashed in a new environment?

+1

As I have mentioned to people, this was very start before what we have seen in previous films.

The biggest thing were Laser guns and the army of T-800s in their nice chrome, and now we see that starting to happen.

[PixilEyes]

Terminator 5 Set in Modern Day London?

Knowing well the sources that Bleeding Cool have up their sleeve, I can promise you that their straight-outta-leftfield rumors will always have some kind of foundation. Very interesting, then, that today they?re dishing on a plan to set the fifth Terminator film in contemporary London. I suppose the ultimate accuracy of this story hinges, as much as anything else as there being another Terminator film. To an extent, it will also depend on the same creative team having their way with the next movie, and some might suggest that is now rather unlikely. Nonetheless, the London plan meshes with a previous McG hint quite nicely. That quote, and more, coming after the break.

Back in April, Film Journal ran their Terminator Salvation promo interview. Here?s McG on his plans for a follow u I strongly suspect the next movie is going to take place in a 2011. John Connor is going to travel back in time and he?s going to have to galvanize the militaries of the world for an impending Skynet invasion. They?ve figured out time travel to the degree where they can send more than one naked entity. So you?re going to have hunter killers and transports and harvesters and everything arriving in our time and Connor fighting back with conventional military warfare, which I think is going to be ****ing awesome.esome.

Hunter Killers laying waste to London? Well.. yes, maybe. McG certainly seems to be in love with Children of Men. I?m not convinced we?ll even be seeing another Terminator film any time soon, but if we do, this is as likely an approach as any other.

London?s a great location for post-apocalyptic landscapes and massive scale destruction, I think. Our architecture looks great with fat wafts of pitch-black smoke swelling up out of it and hordes of screaming, dirt-faced urchins teeming in the rubble. Maybe it?s because these are close to the popular images of the London of yesterday, and not just tomorrow.

There?s quite a tradition of dystopian or post-apocalyptic Londons too, from Children of Men to Shaun of the Dead, 28 Days and Weeks Later, or Will Self?s Book of Dave to A Clockwork Orange. Would be nice to have a Terminator slot into that set too.

One of the great advantages of setting a film in the UK is that we Brits have an enormous wealth of character actors that, for the most part, you don?t see taking up arms against cyborg armies. All the way from Helen Mirren and Michael Sheen to youngsters like Daniel Mays, Riz Ahmed or Harry Treadaway seem like rich, potential Terminator killers to me. Or how about (ahem) Jason Statham? (Slash Film[/b]ndon/"]Slash Film)

This is starting to end up like the Saw series. After 2 its all down hill. If I was Skynet I would just rele:pe a biological virus. :p

Perhaps have a film from the Skynet prespective?

[ThePitt]

John Connor is going to travel back in time

I think this franchise has more than enough with time travel... And back in time to london? ROFL. WTF. They really wanna terminate with this. And I thought that Sarah Conner Chronicles were bad.

Now with skynet knowing who was his father, whats the thing to timetravel at all...

[Rappy Veteran]

Terminator 5 Is Go (Back In Time)

For those who hoped that reaction to Terminator Salvation might have put McG off the idea of moving forward with Terminator 5, we have sad news for you: He's already working on it, and he's modeling himself after Michael Bay.

Talking to IESB, the director said,

Obviously, Michael Bay had tremendous success following Transformers, in a very short window. Sometimes people like to take time off, but I'm excited about the next installation of the story, in the Terminator idea. So, for me, it's terribly exciting to get back out there and show a different face of that idea, and perhaps get out of the apocalyptic world and into a contemporary world. I think the audience is going to be very excited about our way in.

Is that a hint that the next movie will abandon Salvation's "No time travel! All apocalypse all the time!" hook for a return to the traditional set-up of the first three movies?

Meanwhile, McG's also busily listening to critics of the last movie and setting up straw-man arguments to respond to:

I listen to everything. It's interesting because a lot of people don't like me, but a lot of people just don't like my name. I can't take that too seriously because that's been my name my whole life. It's not something that I prescribed myself.

Really? Your parents really called you "McG"? You didn't come up with that one yourself?

[Xero]

I hope he doesn't abandon the post apocalyptic world. Thats what made me so interested in the new series in the first place. While a trip back in time couldn't hurt as it would solve a lot of the hate for the first film I think the 3rd should take place in the future not in the past like the others. I liked the first so I'll like the second but I do wish it were set it in the future as they are still many unanswered questions and going back in time isn't going to answer.

[Rappy Veteran]

Terminator Salvation Directors Cut is Rated-R

According to the latest Red Carpet Ratings bulletin from the MPAA, the Director?s Cut has been rated R for ?some violence? and ?brief nudity.? This doesn?t necessarily dispute the earlier report of what precisely was sliced out of the film, though the Director?s Cut label does throw a funny light on McG?s respectability.

Either he?s letting them call it his own personal cut when it?s just the everything-back-in cut or he?s changed his mind about the boobs or he was lying before or? I told you it got tangled, didn?t I?

I?m giving him the benefit of the doubt. Let?s just assume for now that his motivations are good.

So, there?s going to be a bit of breast and a bit more blood on the Salvation DVD and Blu-Ray. Is this a good thing? Do you care? I quite enjoyed the film, if I?m being honest, but I?m not too convinced these additions will make any significant difference in any respect. I suppose they won?t really hurt.

Source: Slash Film

[GameOverRob]

Will the directors cut blu-ray be available in the UK, or will it be like Watchmen?

[Xero]

Whens the release date for it :( Also he better not have been ****ing with us back in May when he said it would contain 30-40 minutes of deleted scenes. Hate when directors make promises and then they turn out to be bull**** when its actually released.

I was really ****ed when Marc Forster said the Quantum of Solace dvd would contain the alternate ending where Bond meets Mr. White again like the end of Casino Royale. That turned out to be bull****.

Mentioned in the film as one of the Prime Minister's closest advisors, Guy Haines is also a senior member of the shadowy oganisation 'Quantum'. 007 discovers his presence during the Tosca opera scene where Dominic Greene holds a meeting of Quantum members.

The movie was originally intended to end with a one-minute sequence where 007 introduces himself to Mr Haines at his estate, setting up the next movie. The gun-barrel sequence, uniquely positioned at the end of "Quantum of Solace", would have appeared after Bond dispatches Mr White for good.

Woulda been too awesome.

[LOC Veteran]

They better explain a hell of alot in Terminator 5, because they royally screwed up the storyline in 4.

[Orange]

Why couldn't they gone with a r-rated film in the cinema.. getting tired of watered down garbage these days just to get more money!

Or why can't they put out a kids version of this and then a r-rated (15) for us. We get to choose what we want to see, i bet more see the 15 version not 12a!

[Victor Rambo]

I will watch Director's Cut just for Moon bloodgood's boobs. :shifty:

[Ayepecks]

They better explain a hell of alot in Terminator 5, because they royally screwed up the storyline in 4.

IMO, the story wasn't absolutely atrocious, but it just got boring because Marcus was so much more interesting than Connor and it felt like they kept trying to focus on Connor just when things were getting interesting with Marcus. IMO, the storyline before Bale had Nolan re-write it was way better. I even liked the twist ending in it, just like the writers did with Terminator 3 (IMO, the ending of T3 made the movie worth it :laugh: ).

[LOC Veteran]

No the storyline wasn't horrible, certainly compared to other summer movies this year *cough* Transformers 2 *cough*. But riddle me this:

How does SkyNet know that John Connor is super important in 2018, if he hasn't become the leader of the reistence yet, and how does SkyNet even know that Kyle Reese is John's father? That's what I meant by royally scewing up the storyline.

One could argue that the T-X in T3 gave SkyNet that information when it interfaced with the T-101 models at the end and all, but unless they explain that in T5, it better be a damn good reason why. Plus, SkyNet said specifically they had tried time and again to kill John Connor, HOW COULD SKYNET KNOW THIS AT THIS POINT? Argh. Maybe I missed something in the movie that explained this or something?

[Xero]

I would have preferred the r-rated version in theaters but thats studios for you. Also I didn't think the plot was very bad or needed much explaining. I do agree about the focus on Connor when Marcus was obviously the more interesting character. Connor was always more the glue that held it together and the Terminators were the cool **** stuck in it. The focused on the glue too much ;)

And Loc, you could argue that Skynet knew he was super important in 1997, that didn't change the next few decades. The problem lies where the future and the present meet. Skynet in the future could have sent a message to itself in the present alerting them. Time travels likes ****ing with our heads.