Terminator Salvation : The Future Begins

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This was a great movie! What are you guys talking about?

I went and saw it yesterday and wow I was blown away. It definitely as better than T1 and T3, but no where near T2 in sense of greatness.

I give it a B+ because it had everything you wanted. Terminator action, John Conner, Arnold, etc!

If Arnold talked or even moved his hand like the T1000 in T2 when Sara was shooting it at the end, it would have been awesome! :D

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The more I think about it the more I like it, I plan on seeing it again with some friends tomorrow. Watching T2 in the meantime :)

That was a good point about T3 Jedi. But I don't think it was the last time Arnold's model is used to try and kill him. Plus the machines were pretty basic in this movie they hadn't come close to the numbers they have deeper in the future, aka the hundreds of them all marching together. That being said no way time travel was perfected yet.

I'm curious how the sequels will play out. How far ahead each will go. T3 says Connor dies in 2032 I think? They'd have to recast Kyle as you can't expect the same guy to play him when nearly 15 years have passed. I do hope they bring back Arnold's model 101 (kinda assumed) but I hope they keep him CGI. He was so flawless I don't even want to see the real guy back again. He can do voiceovers and motion capture but their CGI version looked more like a Terminator than he ever did. It reminded me a lot of Robert Patrick in T2. Young, early 20's, clean cut and lean. Why would the machines make a Terminator that was in his 40's, simple, they wouldn't.

The T-X annoyed me though, seems like a step backwards. T-1000 still feels like the most advanced model. No chip, no power cell, no glowing eyes. I dunno how they even exist. And Budious I'm not even sure how much even happened from the past. Connor was very reluctant to have Marcus help him, he seemed against the idea completely, similar to Sarah in T2 when she wanted to smash the chip. But in the 2 movies Connor was always the one to stick up for the machines, to want to work with them, trust them. Seemed like a complete reversal in this.

For anyone interested in seeing the CGI arnold, I included some pics for comparison, top is CGI bottom is T1.

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And Budious I'm not even sure how much even happened from the past. Connor was very reluctant to have Marcus help him, he seemed against the idea completely, similar to Sarah in T2 when she wanted to smash the chip. But in the 2 movies Connor was always the one to stick up for the machines, to want to work with them, trust them. Seemed like a complete reversal in this.

Seems like a natural response to maturing. I'm sure many of us thought one way about an issue when were young only to grow older and change our opinion on said topic. Maybe he understands now why his mother never trusted them when he sees them marching around with free run of the world. Certainly he sees past the flesh now.

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Just IMO....... the "leaked" ending would've made the movie SO much better. Endings don't really make or break a movie, but they let you leave the theater thinking "BADASS!" or "eh"... and the ending here was the latter. I'm more than willing to bet the "fake" leaked ending (according to McG) was indeed real, too, given how it ended.

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Pretty mixed reviews, I'm going to watch it regardless as it's a "Terminator" film.

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I'm a fan, and it's worth seeing for $4 (which is what I paid to see it). For $10 or $15 like most theaters... nah.

+1 It's around $2.25 here

If it were more than that, Then I would definitely wait for the dvd!

@ Rappy if you don't go the theaters i'm never reading your posts again regarding movie recommendations :p :rofl: !

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+1 It's around $2.25 here

If it were more than that, Then I would definitely wait for the dvd!

@ Rappy if you don't go the theaters i'm never reading your posts again regarding movie recommendations :p :rofl: !

Our local cinema is around ?7-8 to go see it which is around $15/16 and that for me is just crazy...unless I go with other people but no one wants to go see it with me they want to see Angels and Demons

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Our local cinema is around ?7-8 to go see it which is around $15/16 and that for me is just crazy...unless I go with other people but no one wants to go see it with me they want to see Angels and Demons

well to be honest i'd flip a coin between T4 and A & D:pp but to each is own I guess.

That's the cheapest you get there? damn... on tuesdays and thurdays we get half price so $1.15 at the mall.

Edit: Funny thing is thursdays is "couple discount day" there's no restriction on to what couple means, it's just kinda funny when we show up in a group of 4 men:pp

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Did you guys actually had expectations for this? Just look at the director!

From the guy who brought you Charlies Angels :rofl:

Kudos to the guy he does do Supernatural and I love that.

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McG was surprisingly good. Can't blame him for poor writing, no one has complaining about the directing in the bad reviews. I was a little surprised when he was announced much like Heath Ledger as Joker. However both blew away my expectations.

But Ledger already proved in the past he was an exceptional actor.

The writting was surprisingly bad considering Chris Nolan's brother tewaked the original script heavily, I was expecting more. And Bale was totally uninspired.

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I suppose, but his previous roles were nothing like the Joker. He didn't seem like he could pull it off well and he proved me wrong. McG is the same, I didn't expect him to make a good Terminator movie and he did. Although like you said, I am curious how much changing Jonathan Nolan even did. It wasn't 50% otherwise he would be credited and he isn't. Makes me wonder how screwed up it was before he came in.

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I didn't want to retype...this is what I put elsewhere.

I just saw the movie. I thought it was good. Not great, but good. Something seems to be missing. There's ton of action, a good sense of direction of the film, and fantastic acting (even with the Batman voice)...it might be a slight lack of character development from what we've already seen. It's either that or that they still paint the humans vs machine as black and white. It was pretty clear in T2 that it wasn't the case. I thought TSCC was able to touch on this much better. I was hoping to get more out of this John Connor, but instead it seems like he's still so unsure of what he's suppose to do (maybe a metaphor with the ending, too). I'll say that at least I wasn't as disappointed as T3.

Arguably, the best part was Arnold/T2 fight scenes. I liked how they did those scenes. It was an extremely classy use of CGI. They didn't linger too much on Arnold, but gave it just enough time for you to soak in what was happening.

I was not disappointed by the ending at all. It made a lot of sense in the context of the movie.

I also noticed some weird editing. The best one I saw was the part where Blair checks her wound and the cut following that. It was clear what was suppose to be there, the infamous nude scene. I'm hoping that a director's cut will be released with everything intact, although I hate the stupidity of this type of editing and director's cut releases i.e. Live Free or Die Hard with the catch phrase.

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I just saw it today and I don't know what the hell all the critics and members here at Neowin are at trashing the movie but I thought it was very good! There was a lot of stuff that saluted the T1 and T2 that you have to catch if you are a fan and the ending opens up for Terminator 5 (2011). The movie kicked arse! I too liked the fight with the T-800 with Arnie's face digitized on Roland's body (very well done). Kate (John's wife) is prego so I wonder what that is going to be about?

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well...well... What a disappointment. I did expect much more. I mean... After seen that trailer with the NIN music on it they literally buy me. They waste a good actor, probably one of the best nowaday, waste the story and all the background that this "series" has.

What I did expect?. Well, two hours like the beginning of T2 and what Kyle used to dream/remember/talk. Thats what I expect. A big ass non stop battle. Nothing of that happend. Instead of that a boring and sometimes annoying movie. Was a sort to remix of T1 and T2 but pretty bad done. Use "You could be mine" was a low punch.

The acting was ok, tho. The CGI was pretty well done but I did expect much more. T2 was a breakthrough in that matter but seems like about 20 (twenty!!) years later, nothing can beat them and still strong.

The problem here was the script and that what makes the movie fail. Like they explain some stuff like how Connor get his scar on his face. Hacking skynet with a vaio (wtf?!), using many "glorious" sentences from the other movies, etc. For a moment I thought I was watching a lost episode...

The ppl will destroy this movie, and they are right.

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Good read, think they hit a lot of important points. Terminator was always setup to be an action genre of a protagonist and antagonist facing off to see good (or at least reprogrammed evil) overcome evil. In it's past setting it was film where Sarah and John could not convince other humans that these were cyborgs without being assumed insame (unless you give the T-800 a sharp knife and tell him to yank his meat) which worked well to the effect that the protagonists were all alone in the movie staring down the hunter chasing them and in the end just barely cheating death.

Fast forward to Terminator: Salvation and the genre has moved from action to campy sci-fi, a move that works for a series like TSCC, but not for a 2hr action packed thriller that audiences are expecting. Tone the movie back to it's action genre, lessen the scope, and engage the audience in a face-off of man versus machine, or machine-on-behalf-of-man versus machine. You can always inject more into the backstory and the essence of the Terminator universe during the course of the movie, but it never needs to well defined, explained, or understood - leave it gray and open to interpretation by fans and the next film writer to flesh out.

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Compared to X-Men Origins: Wolverine, the CGI in Terminator: Salvation was well done.

Yeah, Wolverine had some bad CGI. I didn't think Salvation's CGI was bad AT ALL with the exception of Skynet. Didn't look too great there. Other than that, I thought it was exceptional.

@ revvo: Yeah, I absolutely hated the ending. I still think the "fake" (according to McG) leaked ending was real, just given the circumstances that led to the actual ending. They should've went with that.

I couldn't agree with that article anymore. I think the original script would've been great (but Connor would need to be shown a little more than just the final 4 minutes). I think Sam Worthington would've still been better as Marcus, though.

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