Windows XP x64 vs Vista x64

[ahhell]

the mojave experience they called it :ike: more like teh suckage. they do it in a controlled environment , and picked the about 2 people out of 1000 that said: "it Doesn't suck THAT BAD", but they were 75 year olds with Alzheimer

Wow.

:wacko:

[smooth_criminal1990]

I would jus go for Vista x64, mainly cos XP 64 drivers are a bit thin on the ground.

I'd also get a fireproof suit while ur at it.

[smooth_criminal1990]

the mojave experience they called it :ike: more like teh suckage. they do it in a controlled environment , and picked the about 2 people out of 1000 that said: "it Doesn't suck THAT BAD", but they were 75 year olds with Alzheimer

The thing we have to remember here is that MS actually wanted to make money. That was why they had to somewhat rush Vista, and thats why they have to make some effort to change peoples' minds after all the trolling.

[D_Trace]

*yawn* Go away, kid. You don't know how to use a computer obviously. Use XP if you want, but the rest of us who don't want to use Windows eXPired with its Explorer hangs and susceptibility to Windows rot and malware infestations will be here in 2008.

LOL

You call me a kid that doesn't know how to use a computer, but immediatety admit that you're too noob to use XP without getting infected. UAC is made for people like you afterall.

You call me a kid but it's you who seem not to have grown up yet and learned that there's no such thing as security, just habits. And actually more complexity can very well result in less security. You didn't even have to go very far to find it:

https://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/08/08/v...-by-new-exploit

And if you call the Windows version that's on 80+% of PCs as "eXPired", you must be another CONSUMER who lives to buy whatever garbage that's new just because it's new. Meanwhile MS' founder says that Vista sucks and laughs all the way to the bank with your money.

[HawkMan]

Mojave was a desperate attempt (in a controlled environment of course, LOL) to show how Vista doesn't suck.

The kind of thing that a company would resort to only if the product was a failure.

I give you Bill Gates saying that Vista sucks, but you give me an empty one liner. LOL!!!

the mojave experience they called it :ike: more like teh suckage. they do it in a controlled environment , and picked the about 2 people out of 1000 that said: "it Doesn't suck THAT BAD", but they were 75 year olds with Alzheimer

so as I was saying, you don't know what Mojave is/was. and you're demonstrating your ignorance. Sometimes, it'sjust better to keep yoru mouth shut.

as for the Bill gates "comment", it's not even worth a reply.

Grow up, learn to use proper arguments, learn to fact check. Post proper factual, well research arguments, and THEN I'll give you a second thought.

[smooth_criminal1990]

can't we just leave it here and stop the damn trolling :/

[D_Trace]

so as I was saying, you don't know what Mojave is/was. and you're demonstrating your ignorance. Sometimes, it'sjust better to keep yoru mouth shut.

So enlighten me, Sherlock. What was Mojave?

Here a link so you don't get lost:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojave_Experiment

as for the Bill gates "comment", it's not even worth a reply.

Because you can't reply, that's why. You have the number 1 guy at MS saying Vista sucks. So you can't reply.

Grow up, learn to use proper arguments, learn to fact check. Post proper factual, well research arguments, and THEN I'll give you a second thought.

Well, you may try to put your money where you mouth is and actually supply TheJian with all the links and sources he has asked for so many times. THEN I'll give you a second thought. LOL

[Ci7]

Because you can't reply, that's why. You have the number 1 guy at MS saying Vista sucks. So you can't reply.

proof , or it didnt happen .

[ViperAFK]

LOL

Thank you TheJian. It's nice to see that some people still have a brain and do some research before opening their mouths.

I've used all desktop versions of Windows that were released to date, and Vista is the worst Windows NT ever released. One just has to look at the adoption rates or the way Microsoft is desperately promoting Windows 7 already (not to mention the "Mojave experiment").

A Mac with a 350Mhz G4 and a Geforce2 could do the transparency and all other "effects" which require a higher-end PC to be done (but worse) on Vista. Not to mention DRM and its implications throughout the OS.

If Bill Gates himself says that Vista sucks, the case is closed:

http://gizmodo.com/342920/holy-crap-did-bi...y-windows-sucks

Bill Gates did not say vista sucks. That is completely misleading.

[Skulltrail-old]

@OP: Why don't you just try Vista. If you don't like it, don't use it, but you can't judge it by the opinions of others. Some people enjoy it, others don't, and those who say it suck are probably people who have never tried it.

IMO, Vista 64-bit is great if you have the specs to take advantage of it (hardware and software).

[HawkMan]

Bill Gates did not say vista sucks. That is completely misleading.

exactly.

but I don't think it'll matter to them. They're the kind of peopel who've never used Vista, probably never even seen it, They're the perfect candidates for Mojave.

[raskren]

Not to mention DRM and its implications throughout the OS.

Can you elaborate on some of these implications please?

[koolzero]

I am trying to wait patiently for my copy of Vista X64 :whistle: I requested a 64 upgrade from Microsoft and the it's been back ordered for 3 weeks :no:

[D_Trace]

proof , or it didnt happen .

OMG. READ THE THREAD!!

http://gizmodo.com/342920/holy-crap-did-bi...y-windows-sucks

Can you elaborate on some of these implications please?

DRM-ready drivers have to comply to more requirements than non-DRM drivers. It's hard to maintain the same level of reliability, latency or CPU consumption if drivers now have to deal with encryption, if drivers have to reduce content quality on the fly if a "non-authorized" peripheral is found, etc.

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

Videocard drivers, for example, are already very complex without DRM. If you force DRM upon drivers that weren't designed with it in mind, things get messy. Since DRM requires protected paths for audio AND video, ATI had to include AUDIO hardware in the latest Radeons so people can have DRM. And of course the drivers now have to reflect that. Ie, you not only have to pay more for the hardware, but also get more complexity and lower performance and reliability. That's why ATI and nVidia complained to MS about DRM, but Hollywood didn't change its mind. That's one of the reasons why 1/3 of all Vista crashes were caused by Nvidia drivers until recently (link).

Also, a quote from Forbes (link):

Microsoft is reaching for a much bigger prize than Apple: not just Hollywood, but also peripheral hardware vendors. Vista's DRM will require driver developers to comply with all kinds of rules and be certified; otherwise, they won't work. And Microsoft talks about expanding this to independent software vendors as well. It's another war for control of the computer market.

Unfortunately, we users are caught in the crossfire. We are not only stuck with DRM systems that interfere with our legitimate fair-use rights for the content we buy, we're stuck with DRM systems that interfere with all of our computer use--even the uses that have nothing to do with copyright.

Edited September 30, 2008 by D_Trace

[HawkMan]

seriusly, stop talking, your making yoruself look like a fool

There is no DRM in the drivers.

at most the drivers for HDCP ready cards need to support HDCP encrypted output. output that is ONLY used when you use HDCP content, and no content is even exclusively HDCP flagged yet. This does not affect the performance or quality of the drivers.

There is NO universal DRM in Vista that slows down anything, and DRM is not applied to non DRM content, vista just has support to play DRM protected BluRay movies.

and no Gatyes did not say Vista sucks. sheeesh. stop inventing stuff.

[Kronir]

I'd personally say Vista if I were going 64-bit today, and didn't want to wait for Windows 7. :)

[D_Trace]

seriusly, stop talking, your making yoruself look like a fool

So prove me wrong, Sherlock. LOL

Show me a single frigging link, Sherlock.

And you talk about foolishness. LOL

at most the drivers for HDCP ready cards need to support HDCP encrypted output. output that is ONLY used when you use HDCP content, and no content is even exclusively HDCP flagged yet. This does not affect the performance or quality of the drivers.

ATI and Nvidia say it does, you say it doesn't. Geez, who am i going to believe?

There is NO universal DRM in Vista that slows down anything, and DRM is not applied to non DRM content, vista just has support to play DRM protected BluRay movies.

But DRM support has to be already there and running, doesn't it? Even if you don't use DRM content. That's because it is PART OF THE DRIVERS. But you PC is different uh, Sherlock?

and no Gatyes did not say Vista sucks. sheeesh. stop inventing stuff.

LOL. Since you lack arguments you have to resort to this and pretend you're deaf and blind.

Again:

http://gizmodo.com/342920/holy-crap-did-bi...y-windows-sucks

"Is HawkMan an idiot?"

"Wait until he leaves the room, then i'll be more open to give you a blunt answer"

The above is essentially what Bill Gates said about Vista, but hey, sheeeesh, of course it's nothing. It's just an invention. There's nothing between the lines, Sherlock.

Edited September 30, 2008 by D_Trace

[ahhell]

Do you have a point or are you just running your mouth?

[ViperAFK]

that gizmodo video is retarded, he did not say vista sucks... Stop posting nonsense.

[NEVER85]

So prove me wrong, Sherlock. LOL

Show me a single frigging link, Sherlock.

And you talk about foolishness. LOL

ATI and Nvidia say it does, you say it doesn't. Geez, who am i going to believe?

But DRM support has to be already there and running, doesn't it? Even if you don't use DRM content. That's because it is PART OF THE DRIVERS. But you PC is different uh, Sherlock?

LOL. Since you lack arguments you have to resort to this and pretend you're deaf and blind.

Again:

http://gizmodo.com/342920/holy-crap-did-bi...y-windows-sucks

"Is HawkMan an idiot?"

"Wait until he leaves the room, then i'll be more open to give you a blunt answer"

The above is essentially what Bill Gates said about Vista, but hey, sheeeesh, of course it's nothing. It's just an invention. There's nothing between the lines, Sherlock.

Go to bed, it's past your bedtime. Don't let your parents catch you online downloading porn on your old outdated Windows eXPired computer.

[scaramonga]

Go to bed, it's past your bedtime. Don't let your parents catch you online downloading porn on your old outdated Windows eXPired computer.

[AnthoWin]

Without reading this whole thread (due to the abundance of 'inmature' comments) I'd say Windows Vista x64.

As long as you do your research most of your devices should have x64 bit drivers and since you can get consumer versions of Vista in x64 plenty of users are running it without any troubles (unlike XP x64 which was targeted at enterprise and not commonly available)

Personally I've experienced far less BSOD than when I was using x86 (actually, none that I can remember) and 4GB+ RAM is sweet.

If it's easy enough for consumers to switch to the 64bit platform for Vista, then Win7 should at the very least be just as easy.

[D_Trace]

And in the end no one of you people came with a single decent link to backup your claims. Look at that, just one liners! One after another, like it was done against TheJian.

No links about Vista's "lack of DRM", no links about expiration dates of the OSes, no links about Vista's "superior security", nothing! Just noobish one liners!

How predictable.

LOL

[HawkMan]

That's because you're inventing stuff, so there are no links to disprove it because noone thinks it.

it's like me saying that you are secretly gay, there isn't a single thing you can really do to disprove it. No matter how many girls you make out with after that, some people, will allways believe you are. kind of like what you are doing with baseless Vista assumptions and out of context quotes and crap here.

anyway here's one link

http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/200.../25/519180.aspx

And Ati and Nvidia where helping to develop the new driver model in Vista, like creative was helping with the audio layer, heck OpenAL wich is used for game sound is even a creative thing. These companies just like to throw excuses for why they can't write good drivers in time, when they helped develop the driver model.

and the only DRM there would be on drivers is WHQL Certification, wich is only required on 64 bit, but recommended on all. andthis is just an automated quality check. they just send in the driver to MS and it passes through an automated routine wich checks for major obvius bugs and leaks and crap and then issues a certificate. If you run 64 bit you shouldn't be using non certified drivers in the first place. and the only reason this bugs developers is because they have to certify drivers and because they're required to provide both 32 and 64 bit drivers for certification.

[REM2000]

i would recommend Vista x64 over XP x64 as it has better software support and ive found has a better WOW32 implementation than XP x64.