Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Discussion Thread


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Okay, so the game just keeps getting better. It really does.

I just defeated Laughing Octopus. I really dig the whole Japanese horror flick vibe of the whole thing when you have to kill her once she drops the tentacles. Really cool but crazy stuff.

I am curious though, is that what I can expect out of how hard the boss battles actually are? I have to say for whatever reason I expected it to be much, much harder, but it was actually incredibly easy. I figured out to use the Night Vision in about .5 seconds. Still though, it was an amazingly cool sequence. And now that I think about it, I am assuming things will get harder.

So naturally, I now have the face camo. Should come in handy.

Also I am really eager to play the next scene, where I have to track Naomi. The whole way it was presented in the cut scene just seems really kick ass.

And my last point for now... I know this game is all about stealth, but at least this time around I am only using Stealth when I need to, and for the most part that is not all that often. The thing is, I think it is an incredibly amazing game even without using much stealth. In fact, I think players who go stealth the entire time are missing out on some of the best weapons and array of weapons in a video game in a very long time. So as crazy as it sounds, I almost think it is a disservice to the incredible job they have done with the weapons if you choose not to use them. LOL Just my two cents, and I very much know it goes against the essence of the series itself, but the weapons, and the super attention to detail and the way you can customize them and just how amazing they each individually sound, all definitely have to be experienced IMO. I also think I am going to be pretty damn decent at online once I finally do play it, as I am becoming a pretty damn good shot.

I just did. I'm in Europe and downloaded it from the U.S. PSN store. For some reason though it says there's no MGS4 completion save data on my PS3, but there is, I've beaten it twice so far. =/

Weird it did not register for you. It definitely knew I did not beat it.

Just so you know though, You can unlock everything in the options of the database itself. By default they are blocked off, but since you have beat it, go ahead and unlock them.

Did anyone mention the fact that on the PSN you can download the Metal Gear Solid Database yet?

It is a 77 MB download, and from what i can tell it is just text based, but it has a detailed Encyclopedia and Timeline of all Metal Gear events.

Even better, if you have not beaten MGS4 like myself, it blocks out anything relevant to the latest game until you unlock it.

Awesome! I love that kinda stuff :p gonna have to go hunting for it on PSN tonight :happy:

Okay, so the game just keeps getting better. It really does.

I just defeated Laughing Octopus. I really dig the whole Japanese horror flick vibe of the whole thing when you have to kill her once she drops the tentacles. Really cool but crazy stuff.

I am curious though, is that what I can expect out of how hard the boss battles actually are? I have to say for whatever reason I expected it to be much, much harder, but it was actually incredibly easy. I figured out to use the Night Vision in about .5 seconds. Still though, it was an amazingly cool sequence. And now that I think about it, I am assuming things will get harder.

So naturally, I now have the face camo. Should come in handy.

Also I am really eager to play the next scene, where I have to track Naomi. The whole way it was presented in the cut scene just seems really kick ass.

And my last point for now... I know this game is all about stealth, but at least this time around I am only using Stealth when I need to, and for the most part that is not all that often. The thing is, I think it is an incredibly amazing game even without using much stealth. In fact, I think players who go stealth the entire time are missing out on some of the best weapons and array of weapons in a video game in a very long time. So as crazy as it sounds, I almost think it is a disservice to the incredible job they have done with the weapons if you choose not to use them. LOL Just my two cents, and I very much know it goes against the essence of the series itself, but the weapons, and the super attention to detail and the way you can customize them and just how amazing they each individually sound, all definitely have to be experienced IMO. I also think I am going to be pretty damn decent at online once I finally do play it, as I am becoming a pretty damn good shot.

I guess it depends on your play style. The other 3 BB Corps fights aren't too bad. For me, I died 3 times against Octopus, but I beat the other 3 on my first try. Plus, not really, you kinda cheated. I just say kinda because you know, well I don't know. You are resourceful, use what is available. I didn't even think of that to be honest.

As for the stealth part, the whole series has been about being a sneaking mission. You don't exist. Being able to complete these tasks right under the noses of all the bad guys is a great feat. I'm going to attempt the stealth and no kills on easy my next go through, I envision lots and lots of frustration, cursing and reloading of saves heh.

edit: Removed spoiler tag cuz it's not really a spoiler :p

I haven't gotten MGS4 yet, but when you finish it, do you get an ammo bandana? :rofl:

It's an unlockable, have to meet certain requirements.

I was really stupid. I was using the Middle East costume. With Octocamo and facecamo was very easy :p

Ergh.

I wrote all that out and you weren't even using the Octocamo.

*tuts* :p

question about the beginning of Act 4

When Snake is dreaming about MGS1, if I get an alert there, it counts as an alert on the game??

That is a good questions.

When going through Act 4 I didn't get any alerts, yet at the end it said I had one.

Now that I think about it I think it could be because I had an alert during the MGS1 part, so I would try not to get an alert during that part either.

When going through the game I kept three saves, One after completion, one at the beginning of each chapter, and one for general saving through a level in case I was found.

Easier to have the extra saves than start again, I made the mistake and had to go through the game to Act4 twice!

Ergh.

I wrote all that out and you weren't even using the Octocamo.

*tuts* :p

hahaha yeah :argh:

When going through the game I kept three saves, One after completion, one at the beginning of each chapter, and one for general saving through a level in case I was found.

Easier to have the extra saves than start again, I made the mistake and had to go through the game to Act4 twice!

I got an alert but I didn't continue. I'm going to try not to get one there.

I have 3 saves hehe

Did you try to get the Big Boss Emblem??

Does anyone know if the PS3 Sixaxis controller has pressure sensitive buttons like the Dual Shock 2?

I wish they had introduced an option where you could revert back to MGS2 and 3 control configuration.

With R1 as first person and square as draw weapon.

By the way KoL I love your sig. My favourite character in the game. :)

Did you try to get the Big Boss Emblem??

Nope.

I was going through killing a few people since I had the Bandanna, and I left the game on when I went to a wedding yesterday, if I hadn't it would of come under 5 hours.

Though I was doing it on very easy and probably would get quite destroyed on Big Boss Extreme, lol.

Does anyone know if the PS3 Sixaxis controller has pressure sensitive buttons like the Dual Shock 2?

I'm almost certain it does. the d-pad is definately sensitive. You can tell when you hold down the up button when you're zooming in on a cutscene, or you're hiding in a dumpster.

Does anyone know if the PS3 Sixaxis controller has pressure sensitive buttons like the Dual Shock 2?

I wish they had introduced an option where you could revert back to MGS2 and 3 control configuration.

With R1 as first person and square as draw weapon.

By the way KoL I love your sig. My favourite character in the game. :)

Yup, it definitely does.

By the way KoL I love your sig. My favourite character in the game. :)

Its my fav character too :)

Nope.

I was going through killing a few people since I had the Bandanna, and I left the game on when I went to a wedding yesterday, if I hadn't it would of come under 5 hours.

Though I was doing it on very easy and probably would get quite destroyed on Big Boss Extreme, lol.

I'm not even sure if I'm going to try Big Boss Extreme. I'm going to try to get everything and for the Big Boss Stuff I'm going to search for a save file on the internet lol :p

I started playing it this afternoon, been playing for about five and a half hours. Have just finished act 1 and watched the briefing for act 2... Wow, what a game! it's bloody brilliant!

Rofl at Johnny Sasaki, poor guy :laugh:

Just completed it and all I can say is wow. I think it is truely the best game I have played, the visuals, sounds, casting, gameplay and storyline, was just truely epic.

I'm sad that it is over and it explained so much! EPIC!

Here are my Stats:

Total Play Time: 23:10:12

Continues: 32

Alert Phases: 103

Kills: 365

Recovery Items Used: 42

Weapon Types Purchased: 5,440DP 37

Flashbacks Watched: 4,260DP 116

Special Items Used: 10,000DP Not Used

Total Bonus: 19,700DP

Current Drebin Points: 157,312

Confer the Title of : Eagle

Edited by Scazza

Just found this,

World Of Warcraft

Leeroy Jenkins' grave can be seen directly behind Big Boss's. It will come into view when the camera pans around the area before Old Snake puts the gun into his mouth. You can also see it again while Old Snake is carrying Big Boss to The Boss's grave.

:rofl:

NOOOOOOOOOO!!

Just returned from my local blockbuster, they have ps3s for rent but they just told me MGS4 wont be available for rent until 2009 :(

MEXICO SUCKS!!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOO!!

Just returned from my local blockbuster, they have ps3s for rent but they just told me MGS4 wont be available for rent until 2009 :(

MEXICO SUCKS!!!!!

Renting MGS4? You daft?! :p

Buy that sucker and rent the PS3. Then even when the PS3 goes back, you can still admire the MGS4 box :wub:

Renting MGS4? You daft?! :p

Buy that sucker and rent the PS3. Then even when the PS3 goes back, you can still admire the MGS4 box :wub:

Yeah, admiring, I would do JUST that with the box... :shiftyninja:

Wait! Did I say that? :o

Yeah, admiring, I would do JUST that with the box... :shiftyninja:

Wait! Did I say that? :o

You said you can't rent MGS4 till 2009.

Did you mean buy? :p

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