Safari 3.1 Final

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

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Apple's statistics were fudged because Safari calls the OnLoad event (reporting it's finished) before the images and stylesheets have been loaded and incorporated into the document (before it's actually finished). I have provided a barchart below that shows the difference between Safari and Other browsers in when they report that they're finished (notice the asterisk).

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It's debatable if it's the wrong thing to do, since Safari calls it once the DOM (and JS and CSS, I think) is fully loaded. And that's all that JS needs to run properly.

I prefer the Safari way of doing it myself, And other browsers offer methods of doing the same thing.

Edit: But yeah, relying on a test that disadvantages other browsers is great for Marketing, but people will pick up on it.

[Scorbing]

I tell you what, I have been an Opera user for a looong time. I don't like Firefox because I find it slow and bloated and a memory hog. I have been playing with this Safari and I like it. It definitely opens pages fast. Faster than IE7 no doubt and it even starts instantly when I click on its icon. It hasn't crashed on me yet. I did download the latest Nightly build of Webkit and replaced all files on its folder with it and will continue to update it as they update. This browser has a lot of potential and if Apple gets serious about it, they can beat Mozilla at their game easily.

[Tech Star]

I am loving Safari! So much faster than FF. :D

[Scorbing]

I am loving Safari! So much faster than FF. :D

+1

[jbarcus81]

There are still a few pages that don't display correctly... heck even youtube.com's homepage.. it's missing a frame or what ever it is in the top right corner.. small petty thing but still.. I'm using Vista x64 and Love... LOVE safari..

[Sub_Zero_Alchemist]

I am loving Safari! So much faster than FF. :D

+ 2 very impress with Safari. still going to keep Firefox and Opera though.

[goji]

Initial impression: Very good!

I'm a die hard FF user and I'm used to small nuisances that aren't in Safari atm. Not ready to switch by a long shot, but its a welcome new kid on the block (windows side that is).

[nXqd]

Safari is much faster than IE, but with Firefox 3.3/3 with my computer :). I still waiting for Opera. :p

[Scorbing]

By this time next year, Safari will be king of the hill.

[RootWind]

Is there a way to bypass Safari's font rendering? Everything is so blurry on my laptop, on all of the font settings.

[goji]

I had to set the rendering to CRT mode, which looks so much clearer and crisper which is off since I'm on a Dell LCD. Other than the lack of mouse configuration options, those are the main gripes I have with the program.

[Minimoose]

So what's the verdict:

Is Safari for Windows worth it yes or no?

No i tried it out ages ago because of those benchmarks they showed, but it was unstable, something about the navigation really annoyed me and it was slower than opera and firefox. Maybe this was just my own personal experience (and a few of my friends) but i thought it was awful.

[Nashy]

No i tried it out ages ago because of those benchmarks they showed, but it was unstable, something about the navigation really annoyed me and it was slower than opera and firefox. Maybe this was just my own personal experience (and a few of my friends) but i thought it was awful.

+1. Exact replica of what I was going to post.

[crazzyyfool]

No i tried it out ages ago because of those benchmarks they showed, but it was unstable, something about the navigation really annoyed me and it was slower than opera and firefox. Maybe this was just my own personal experience (and a few of my friends) but i thought it was awful.

+1. Exact replica of what I was going to post.

Then maybe you guys should try the newer version. :p

[Cormier6083]

The newer one works pretty well on my Craptop.

[Nashy]

^ I will once I get back to my place. No doubt it's already installed somewhere along with any updates to iTunes ;-)

[RootWind]

At first I thought Safari (webkit nightly) was the fastest browsing I've ever experienced. Then I started going to the same sites and comparing to the FF3 nightly... and they seem almost the same. Guess it was just placebo.

I was pretty amazed at the Safari memory usage as well... until I noticed it actually pushes a lot of the memory to virtual memory. Right now, Safari is using 34MB of real memory, but 302 MB of virtual memory (only one tab at the moment).

Nonetheless, overall, good improvements from 3.0.

[crazzyyfool]

With 20 tabs open in two windows (12 in one, 8 in the other) with sites like myspace and youtube, Safari is using around 417MB real memory with virtual memory around 1.55GB on my system and about 7% CPU.

[User6060]

I'm very impressed with Safari 3.1 for Windows + Webkit Nightly its soo fast and snappy. The only problem I have is I can't scroll side to side with my trackpad, only up and down. I wouldn't mind an Adblock Plugin too :D

[Yorak]

I'm very impressed with Safari 3.1 for Windows + Webkit Nightly its soo fast and snappy. The only problem I have is I can't scroll side to side with my trackpad, only up and down. I wouldn't mind an Adblock Plugin too :D

Ad Muncher works wonderfully with it, as with every other browser.

But yes the WebKit Nightly is very fast. I like the way it renders.

[NateB1]

I installed it, and discovered some interesting .dlls ... like "coregraphics.dll", and "corefoundation.dll". I wonder if Apple builds Safari, and simply recompiles it for Windows, using an emulation/API translation layer or something, like WINE. Hmmm...

What I do find funny, in a sad kind of way, is how far Apple takes the OS X look to Windows - the dialog boxes that spit out from the title (Who thought up that UI oddity I'll never know - I find it annoying and distracting), all the gel buttons, the scroll bars, the font smoothing - it's almost like a mini- OS X experience (shudder) inside Windows. What would be really weird is if they start loading a title bar at the top of the desktop...

[dud]

Opera uses 40 mb of memory while Safari uses 64mb. Opera doesn't crash and its super stable. I think I will stick with Opera.

I have GIGAbytes of memory. But I use firefox anyway :D Using 75 MB of ram with five tabs open at the moment.

[semifamous]

Safari doesn't like my computers. It crashes when I try to go into Preferences and it crashes when I try to go to the Acid3 test.

I like the idea of using it, but I'll have to do some troubleshooting to track down why it doesn't like either of my computers and everyone else's seems fine.

I'll try it on another fresh install of Window before I start installing things to try to track down what other background program I have that might be killing Safari.

I'm wondering if my issue is related to the original issue I had with the first betas of Safari, but I'll have to try to track it down so I can see.

[osirisX]

the dialog boxes that spit out from the title (Who thought up that UI oddity I'll never know - I find it annoying and distracting)

Sheets are intended to keep the dialogue with the window it belongs to. That means the dialogue doesn't get lost and it declutters the screen.

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Is there a way to bypass Safari's font rendering? Everything is so blurry on my laptop, on all of the font settings.

There used to be, either they've changed how you activate it, or taken it out (possibly due to bugs)

But hey, g's are properly rounded now, so I can't complain.

Edit: Turns out it still works, unless the web page uses the Lucida Grande font (Safrari comes with it's own version, and does it's own font smoothing on that version). http://chucker.mystfans.com/2007/12/24/web...e-support.entry shows how to do it.

Edited March 23, 2008 by The_Decryptor